no they are not actuallyaggiepaintrain said:
Feel free to swim at the HOA pool you pay for, they are private.
It would be understandable and responsible for an HOA to decide not to open because it's not worth it financially or for liability and risk management or practical, operational reasons. The HOA sure can't guarantee that a member won't catch the corona by using the bathroom or an asymptomatic carrier won't transmit the virus to another member. What responsible person wants to be worrying about that?Quote:
Opening the pool is not as easy as just unlocking the pool and let everybody have at it.
First of all right now only 25% of the pool capacity can be used.
So assuming that you have a pool that can only accommodate 10 people max......how are you going to decide who gets to spend how much time there or how many days you can go so that other people can go as well?
If you have restrooms, they are going to have to be cleaned every single night after the pool is
closed. Do you have it in your budget to have a cleaning crew to come clean the restrooms? Or do you keep them close.
How are you going to deal with other people coming to use your pool (trust me this happens a lot)
You are going to have to ask everybody for some form of ID to make sure they actually live there! Or your going to have to send them back to their house because the 25% has been reached. It's not so cut and dry like you think.
There also might be legal re precautions that the board has to take Into consideration before opening the pool, knowing that there are people like yourself out there that like to sue the HOA for god knows what.
02skiag said:
The HOA should not consider people catching the virus, that's not their job. Their consideration should be to simply follow the governors rules. As long as they follow the rules they cannot be held liable for a virus. There'd be almost zero chance of proving someone got it from a pool area anyways. If they can follow the rules within budget, they should open. If they cannot follow the rules or do so within budget then they should not open.
Thanks. There may be those who disagree with you, but no doubt a lot of costs would be avoided if HOAs followed your advice. So, HOAs ought to simply follow advice from an anonymous poster on the internet rather than consult medical and public health experts, legal counsel, and insurance companies or consider the cost-benefit of opening up.02skiag said:
The HOA should not consider people catching the virus, that's not their job. Their consideration should be to simply follow the governors rules. As long as they follow the rules they cannot be held liable for a virus. There'd be almost zero chance of proving someone got it from a pool area anyways. If they can follow the rules within budget, they should open. If they cannot follow the rules or do so within budget then they should not open.
Aggie said:
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AC Hopper said:It would be understandable and responsible for an HOA to decide not to open because it's not worth it financially or for liability and risk management or practical, operational reasons. The HOA sure can't guarantee that a member won't catch the corona by using the bathroom or an asymptomatic carrier won't transmit the virus to another member. What responsible person wants to be worrying about that?Quote:
Opening the pool is not as easy as just unlocking the pool and let everybody have at it.
First of all right now only 25% of the pool capacity can be used.
So assuming that you have a pool that can only accommodate 10 people max......how are you going to decide who gets to spend how much time there or how many days you can go so that other people can go as well?
If you have restrooms, they are going to have to be cleaned every single night after the pool is
closed. Do you have it in your budget to have a cleaning crew to come clean the restrooms? Or do you keep them close.
How are you going to deal with other people coming to use your pool (trust me this happens a lot)
You are going to have to ask everybody for some form of ID to make sure they actually live there! Or your going to have to send them back to their house because the 25% has been reached. It's not so cut and dry like you think.
There also might be legal re precautions that the board has to take Into consideration before opening the pool, knowing that there are people like yourself out there that like to sue the HOA for god knows what.
02skiag said:AC Hopper said:It would be understandable and responsible for an HOA to decide not to open because it's not worth it financially or for liability and risk management or practical, operational reasons. The HOA sure can't guarantee that a member won't catch the corona by using the bathroom or an asymptomatic carrier won't transmit the virus to another member. What responsible person wants to be worrying about that?Quote:
Opening the pool is not as easy as just unlocking the pool and let everybody have at it.
First of all right now only 25% of the pool capacity can be used.
So assuming that you have a pool that can only accommodate 10 people max......how are you going to decide who gets to spend how much time there or how many days you can go so that other people can go as well?
If you have restrooms, they are going to have to be cleaned every single night after the pool is
closed. Do you have it in your budget to have a cleaning crew to come clean the restrooms? Or do you keep them close.
How are you going to deal with other people coming to use your pool (trust me this happens a lot)
You are going to have to ask everybody for some form of ID to make sure they actually live there! Or your going to have to send them back to their house because the 25% has been reached. It's not so cut and dry like you think.
There also might be legal re precautions that the board has to take Into consideration before opening the pool, knowing that there are people like yourself out there that like to sue the HOA for god knows what.
The second half of your reply is what I take issue with. Sure, they should get a quick response from insurance to make sure they are covered. Sure, they should make sure there are no liability issues. But they don't need to worry that someone might catch the virus. Nothing would ever open with that line of thinking. It's a risk, and it should be a very low risk at an open air pool with reduced use. It's also a risk that a kid is going to run, slip, and crack a tooth. Yet the pools exist. Do your diligence for practical and financial purposes but don't keep it closed because of fear.
andyv94 said:02skiag said:AC Hopper said:It would be understandable and responsible for an HOA to decide not to open because it's not worth it financially or for liability and risk management or practical, operational reasons. The HOA sure can't guarantee that a member won't catch the corona by using the bathroom or an asymptomatic carrier won't transmit the virus to another member. What responsible person wants to be worrying about that?Quote:
Opening the pool is not as easy as just unlocking the pool and let everybody have at it.
First of all right now only 25% of the pool capacity can be used.
So assuming that you have a pool that can only accommodate 10 people max......how are you going to decide who gets to spend how much time there or how many days you can go so that other people can go as well?
If you have restrooms, they are going to have to be cleaned every single night after the pool is
closed. Do you have it in your budget to have a cleaning crew to come clean the restrooms? Or do you keep them close.
How are you going to deal with other people coming to use your pool (trust me this happens a lot)
You are going to have to ask everybody for some form of ID to make sure they actually live there! Or your going to have to send them back to their house because the 25% has been reached. It's not so cut and dry like you think.
There also might be legal re precautions that the board has to take Into consideration before opening the pool, knowing that there are people like yourself out there that like to sue the HOA for god knows what.
The second half of your reply is what I take issue with. Sure, they should get a quick response from insurance to make sure they are covered. Sure, they should make sure there are no liability issues. But they don't need to worry that someone might catch the virus. Nothing would ever open with that line of thinking. It's a risk, and it should be a very low risk at an open air pool with reduced use. It's also a risk that a kid is going to run, slip, and crack a tooth. Yet the pools exist. Do your diligence for practical and financial purposes but don't keep it closed because of fear.
When you expose the HOA to unnecessary liability, and we are talking about the use of a pool, not the opening of a business, than yes, it is the responsibility of the board to look at all the options in making their final decision and decide if it's worth the hassle to open the pool to 9 people or not.
andyv94 said:
And you are missing the point that IT IS the responsibility of the HOA to make sure that the pool is 100% clean and disinfected for the homeowners to use. I don't understand how you don't see that?
How much experience do you have dealing with HOA's? I'm just curious
Oh please I answered your point on my last reply02skiag said:andyv94 said:
And you are missing the point that IT IS the responsibility of the HOA to make sure that the pool is 100% clean and disinfected for the homeowners to use. I don't understand how you don't see that?
How much experience do you have dealing with HOA's? I'm just curious
I do understand that. I am ONLY making a point about a specific item and you keep arguing with me about other items. Please make a separate post to cover those and quit quoting or replying to me if you aren't replying to my point.
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The second half of your reply is what I take issue with. Sure, they should get a quick response from insurance to make sure they are covered. Sure, they should make sure there are no liability issues. But they don't need to worry that someone might catch the virus. Nothing would ever open with that line of thinking. It's a risk, and it should be a very low risk at an open air pool with reduced use. It's also a risk that a kid is going to run, slip, and crack a tooth. Yet the pools exist. Do your diligence for practical and financial purposes but don't keep it closed because of fear.
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Do your diligence for practical and financial purposes but don't keep it closed because of fear.
andyv94 said:Oh please I answered your point on my last reply02skiag said:andyv94 said:
And you are missing the point that IT IS the responsibility of the HOA to make sure that the pool is 100% clean and disinfected for the homeowners to use. I don't understand how you don't see that?
How much experience do you have dealing with HOA's? I'm just curious
I do understand that. I am ONLY making a point about a specific item and you keep arguing with me about other items. Please make a separate post to cover those and quit quoting or replying to me if you aren't replying to my point.Quote:
The second half of your reply is what I take issue with. Sure, they should get a quick response from insurance to make sure they are covered. Sure, they should make sure there are no liability issues. But they don't need to worry that someone might catch the virus. Nothing would ever open with that line of thinking. It's a risk, and it should be a very low risk at an open air pool with reduced use. It's also a risk that a kid is going to run, slip, and crack a tooth. Yet the pools exist. Do your diligence for practical and financial purposes but don't keep it closed because of fear.
YES in this case (whether it makes sense to you or not, or whether you can prove that you got infected at the pool or not) the HOA is still responsible to make sure that the pool is clean and disinfected and safe for people to use again. It's called liability in the real world, you are being obtuse. Comparing this to a kid running and slipping is like comparing apples and oranges.Quote:
Do your diligence for practical and financial purposes but don't keep it closed because of fear.
Fear??? Fear of what? of the virus, no.........of exposing the HOA to liability, YES!!!
But I am done arguing with you.
And now you guys can be friends! Thanks TexAgs!andyv94 said:
well f**** me
um.... 25% of 200 is 50 people. Or, are you saying the pool capacity is 80 and the reduced capacity is 20?andyv94 said:02skiag said:
The HOA should not consider people catching the virus, that's not their job. Their consideration should be to simply follow the governors rules. As long as they follow the rules they cannot be held liable for a virus. There'd be almost zero chance of proving someone got it from a pool area anyways. If they can follow the rules within budget, they should open. If they cannot follow the rules or do so within budget then they should not open.
That's just one part of the argument.
If you have over 200 units in your HOA and your pool can only hold less than 20 people (25%) a day....how do you regulate the attendance? It's almost impossible to do.
