CSISD teachers received raises between 3.6 to 5.6% of current salary tonight, KBTX reports Bryan teachers got between 4.7 to 14%. CSISD teachers are already payed less than most 5A districts that we compete against in Academics and Athletics, this just puts our children's teachers even further behind.
CSISD Teachers get Shaft again
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CSISD teachers didn't have to deal with Tommy Wallis, though!
I'll show myself out...
I'll show myself out...
4-5% raise seems pretty good unless this only happens every few years.
School districts in nicer areas often pay less than neighboring districts with a greater number of low income students.
Most teachers will take the easier job of teaching the higher income students for less money.
Most teachers will take the easier job of teaching the higher income students for less money.
I recall a past post with a link to the salaries of superintendents across the state and it revealed the high pay Ealy receives. Especially given his experience and size of the district. Wish this high pay rolled to the teachers and staff. I believe he has kept getting pay increases (given by his buddies on the board) even as teacher pay in CSISD has lagged
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Don't compare CSISD to just the surrounding communities, compare to the school districts our kids compete against, Montgomery (starting pay 53,000), Katy (54,000), Fort Bend (53,000) and notice that CSISD is way underpaid (43,000). The state recommended $5,000 raises for teachers, CSISD gave 2800 not including the 600 they already were getting. Yet CSISD has above average pay for Administrators and plenty of Specialist.
Simple supply demand. It cost to live and work in our little eutopia. Just look at home prices. Or the job market as a whole. People routinely accept lower level jobs here than what they are qualified for. Most of us could make way more with a quick move to Houston but there's a reason we don't.
A 4-5% raise definitely doesn't happen every year. Do people really think that's what teachers get? It's usually more like 1-2%, and that often barely covers the increase in cost of insurance. Teachers who insure their entire families haven't had a take-home raise in years.
This is definitely the answer.CS78 said:
Simple supply demand. It's cost to live and work in our little eutopia. Just look at home prices. Or the job market as a whole. People routinely accept lower level jobs here than what they are qualified for. Most of us could make way more with a quick move to Houston but there's a reason we don't.
I understand it is frustrating seeing the lower pay than other school districts, but EVERY teacher who took a job here KNEW and ACCEPTED the pay when they were hired. And there is a nice chart available that shows the pay scale for each year of service (hint it doesn't go up very much each year).
And they all know (or should know) that teacher pay raises are never going to be huge jumps year to year unless some significant legislation passes.
So, to complain and bemoan your lower salary all the time when it was your decision to take that job knowing your salary, seems like you make bad decisions but then want someone to fix your bad choices.
"you knew what it was when you signed up"
If College Station was having trouble getting good teachers, they would work to raise the rates. But based on what I hear, they get more resumes than they know what to do with for every opening.
Ealy gets about the same as the Magnolia ISD super, which is comparable since they also have two 5A high schools and are in the same district for most academic/athletic events. Montgomery ISD super makes more: about $260,000. If you look at TEA salary databases you can probably find administrators who make less, but it is important to consider a couple of things:
Bond issues do not pay salaries for teachers. (I know you already know this, but I'm repeating it for the others who may not know about the two types of revenue streams). So, that money has to come from taxpayers. With the recapture formula for CSISD still stuck at what the state decided back two decades ago, CSISD only has so much money for operations such as salaries and insurance with the rest going back to the state. Once the ISD builds these raises in, they will have to continue to fund them from their own budget. In the meantime, with the growth they have had, they have to keep hiring staff for the new schools. Not every teacher can be relocated to another campus as growth demands because some teachers may not have the necessary certifications.
I don't have a problem with the admin salaries here; I think they are comparable for the area. What I would like to see are higher teacher salaries statewide but a much stricter vetting process (especially for high school instructors) almost the way medical school does it with rigorous entrance exams prior to even attending "teacher school." Unrealistic, I'm sure.
Bond issues do not pay salaries for teachers. (I know you already know this, but I'm repeating it for the others who may not know about the two types of revenue streams). So, that money has to come from taxpayers. With the recapture formula for CSISD still stuck at what the state decided back two decades ago, CSISD only has so much money for operations such as salaries and insurance with the rest going back to the state. Once the ISD builds these raises in, they will have to continue to fund them from their own budget. In the meantime, with the growth they have had, they have to keep hiring staff for the new schools. Not every teacher can be relocated to another campus as growth demands because some teachers may not have the necessary certifications.
I don't have a problem with the admin salaries here; I think they are comparable for the area. What I would like to see are higher teacher salaries statewide but a much stricter vetting process (especially for high school instructors) almost the way medical school does it with rigorous entrance exams prior to even attending "teacher school." Unrealistic, I'm sure.
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Better than the 2-3% I'm going to get, which doesn't even cover inflation.
No, I'm not bitter.
No, I'm not bitter.
The numbers speak for themselves
https://schools.texastribune.org/districts/bryan-isd/
https://schools.texastribune.org/districts/college-station-isd/
If you were a teacher, where would you rather teach? (Pay raise aside).
https://schools.texastribune.org/districts/bryan-isd/
https://schools.texastribune.org/districts/college-station-isd/
If you were a teacher, where would you rather teach? (Pay raise aside).
Such a great district, people are willing to take less money to work there. Many thanks to all the CSISD teachers, and congrats on this giant raise!
They took the jobs knowing the pay didn't they?
College Towns have historically paid low- huge supply of recent grads, spouses of those working on grad degrees or finishing degrees and easy place to get your masters or PhD while being fully employed.
All teachers do. Unfortunately, because of lower pay, classroom size, inability to adequately/effectively discipline kids, parental non-involvement, state test mandates, etc., etc., etc., more qualified, highly effective teachers are Leaving. It starts with pay that has been stagnant for decades. The pay raises teachers receive this year, may cover their increased healthcare costs.jja79 said:
They took the jobs knowing the pay didn't they?
I'll bite.
Consol Parent - I compared Ealy to the districts you threw out there. Not ones I would have picked because we rarely compete against Katy, Fort Bend, etc and they are much bigger districts.
Montgomery? They have 5000 less students and their super makes over $20,000 more.
Fort Bend? 63000 more students. Not a great comparison but their super makes $110,000 more
Katy? 66000 more students. They make $160,000 more.
Looking at our region Ealy is #4 and we are the 4th biggest district.
Statewide he is 102.
Consol Parent - I compared Ealy to the districts you threw out there. Not ones I would have picked because we rarely compete against Katy, Fort Bend, etc and they are much bigger districts.
Montgomery? They have 5000 less students and their super makes over $20,000 more.
Fort Bend? 63000 more students. Not a great comparison but their super makes $110,000 more
Katy? 66000 more students. They make $160,000 more.
Looking at our region Ealy is #4 and we are the 4th biggest district.
Statewide he is 102.
Are you concerned about your pay, or about teaching quality? It seems to me that parents and voters have the say in this.ConsolParent said:
I have taught in this district for 13 years, the quality of the teachers has gone down over the last 5 years, its to the point now we have open positions (don't get me started about substitutes). If you want what's best for your children, you would want quality, the teachers make the school. As far as those districts, Katy Paetow is in our UIL District and the others are in our region. Continue to fall behind and see where this district is in 10 years. Teachers are leaving in much greater numbers than in the past.
I have three kids in CSISD in three distinctly different school ages and I don't agree with you one bit. We have only had an issue with one...one...teacher's performance and the rest, including the administration staff at each school, have been professional, more than competent, and dedicated to their work. That includes coaches, some of whom teach Honors / Pre AP/ AP classes, taking their academic classes seriously.ConsolParent said:
I have taught in this district for 13 years, the quality of the teachers has gone down over the last 5 years, its to the point now we have open positions (don't get me started about substitutes). If you want what's best for your children, you would want quality, the teachers make the school. As far as those districts, Katy Paetow is in our UIL District and the others are in our region. Continue to fall behind and see where this district is in 10 years. Teachers are leaving in much greater numbers than in the past.
In response to the substitute teacher pay. Have you seen the rates per day they get?? You would arguably get more working at Target/WalMart for the day. Bucces would be a huge pay raise for subs
Our family has also had overall positive experiences with staff and teachers throughout the District, including rezonings to different campuses. However, that doesn't mean that the poster's point is invalid. Districtwide (according to data from about two years ago) there are about 3% beginning teachers and another 18% of teachers with 1-5 years experience so many students will have teachers with a moderate level of teaching experience and hopefully professional development in a positive culture environment. It could be that the poster has a particular insight or perspective with which to assess the quality of newer teachers that he/she refers or it could just be the quality of hires in general regardless of years of experience. Without further explanation, it is hard to say. We had an issue with a beginning teacher one year, but it was a special circumstance and was resolved after a meeting without too much fuss.
That poster started this thread talking about how the teachers got shafted by the raise and then made a "sky is falling" Chicken Little post about how bad the teachers are getting. In other words, she insulted the abilities of her colleagues to further her argument with a generic "the quality has gone down over the years" statement.Quote:
It could be that the poster has a particular insight or perspective with which to assess the quality of newer teachers that he/she refers or it could just be the quality of hires in general regardless of years of experience. Without further explanation, it is hard to say.
Doing rough math of the number of teachers per year / per grade and we've had 50+ teachers for our kids and only had a performance issue with one. We've had personality clashes from time to time, but that's to be expected...but only a single teacher where we were concerned about performance.
And we are the norm, not the exception.
I didn't disagree, as I said, our experience mirrors yours. However since the OP didn't elaborate much as to what he/she was referring nor did were any metrics stated by which he/she was determining "quality," I opined that perhaps OP has a different perspective. Could that perspective be biased? You bet.
Regardless of the raise; teachers will be paid not "payed."
Regardless of the raise; teachers will be paid not "payed."
CSISD teachers can go work at Bryan and don't even have to move. I'm guessing they're probably really excited to have so many diverse opportunities so close by!
The real question is why is offered healthcare cost at CSISD over 100% more for teachers with families versus at BISD for the same companies such as BCBS ?
Is the size of the risk pool that much greater at BISD ?
I know one example where it is 138% higher per month for a family and also know some who have went back to BISD just for this reason.
Is the size of the risk pool that much greater at BISD ?
I know one example where it is 138% higher per month for a family and also know some who have went back to BISD just for this reason.
Love Gun said:
CSISD teachers didn't have to deal with Tommy Wallis, though!
I'll show myself out...
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The numbers speak for themselves
https://schools.texastribune.org/districts/bryan-isd/
https://schools.texastribune.org/districts/college-station-isd/
If you were a teacher, where would you rather teach? (Pay raise aside).
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CSISD: An average teacher's salary was $50,061, which is $3,273 less than the state average.
BISD: An average teacher's salary was $46,999, which is $6,335 less than the state average.
Seems CSISD teachers make more than BISD.
It's amazing the two professions that are underpaid teachers and police officers seems to have the most hate. The same folks that gripe about them are the ones that complain when their children show no respect. Seems to me they have a problem with authority.
Chron.comQuote:
For 2017-2018, Katy has a teacher turnover rate of 11.8 percent compared to 15.2 percent at Fort Bend ISD, 13.0 percent at Cy-Fair ISD and 17.6 percent for Houston ISD.
CSISDQuote:
The most recent CSISD Texas Academic Performance Reportfrom 2015-2016 indicates that the state turnover rate for teachers was 16.5 percent and the CSISD rate was 11.6 percent.
Folks are not leaving so why would taxpayers pay more?
Good lord, do what you love, love what you do.
Do I wish I made more $$, sure, who doesn't? Do I wish my profession was more appreciated, (again, who doesn't?) maybe, but the ones that matter, the ones that feel that impact you make, they make it known.
It is what it is.
I teach summer enrichment, I work construction during the summer. The money bridges the gap, but I love that work too.
I'm thankful for the raise, I'm a little disheartened that in a lot of other professions (some that I have worked in and profited from). the amount of time, the amount of continued education, the social /emotional impact would be more regarded but again, it is what is.
End of the day, I'm a happy dude and I love that I get to be a part of so many kiddos lives...I get to see little miracles of knowledge and understanding and growth and know that there are people that are going to change the world that I had a hand in...whether it was a love of learning and discovery, a love of school, a stable/safe person they could trust, the right way to hold scissors, or not to eat the glue stick...
Do I wish I made more $$, sure, who doesn't? Do I wish my profession was more appreciated, (again, who doesn't?) maybe, but the ones that matter, the ones that feel that impact you make, they make it known.
It is what it is.
I teach summer enrichment, I work construction during the summer. The money bridges the gap, but I love that work too.
I'm thankful for the raise, I'm a little disheartened that in a lot of other professions (some that I have worked in and profited from). the amount of time, the amount of continued education, the social /emotional impact would be more regarded but again, it is what is.
End of the day, I'm a happy dude and I love that I get to be a part of so many kiddos lives...I get to see little miracles of knowledge and understanding and growth and know that there are people that are going to change the world that I had a hand in...whether it was a love of learning and discovery, a love of school, a stable/safe person they could trust, the right way to hold scissors, or not to eat the glue stick...
My wife (9th grade English+cheer coach10 year's experience) teaches in Katy and we're looking to move back to CS. She'll take a $12k paycut based on last year's schedules, and I'm pretty sure homes are more expensive on a like by like basis. I hope the rest of the COL is truly lower overall.
All that said, we're looking forward to the change.
All that said, we're looking forward to the change.