What, specifically, are the security measures that are in place?Demon 8 said:
but I have a little more faith in our school's security measures and the BCSO officers that patrol them on a daily basis.
Lose-lose for those who volunteer. With budgets where they are, they'd be required to foot the bill for their guns & ammo, and for their training. And in the litigious society we live in, if there should be a shooting in their school I can see parents or families of children or faculty shot by the shooter going after any volunteer who didn't fire at the shooter.Stupe said:
There is no way that all would because a lot of the teachers fall into the ridiculous "if we ban something it will makes us more safe" line of thought. Unfortunately.
Ask for volunteers, put them through training, and arm them.
Stupe said:
There is no way that all would because a lot of the teachers fall into the ridiculous "if we ban something it will makes us more safe" line of thought. Unfortunately.
Ask for volunteers, put them through training, and arm them.
Earmark it specifically for that and I doubt there would be much blowback.Quote:
I'm sure the district would love to be able to afford the expense to staff each campus with a deputy but I've seen how CS residents complain about every tiny increase in property taxes and that is what it would take to accomplish that.
I am friends, close friends, with officers and there is not a doubt in my mind that any of them would go down without hesitation if it meant saving just one child. Not a single doubt.Quote:
That said, the deputies that are on the campuses currently care a great deal about the kids and I know they will do whatever they have to in order to keep them safe.
A shooter wouldn't have to go through a side or back door. There aren't even buzz -in locks on the front doors near the offices.Quote:
And last - you have to get the kids on board. As much as it is preached and preached to the students to not let anyone in the building, you find them opening doors for other students and adults frequently. You almost need to post an adult at each door all day long. That is pretty much impossible when you think about how many doors our schools have.
Very true but at least at the front door you have an adult there that can warn of someone who enters without permission. With the kiddos letting others in, they can roam the building freely until someone asks for an ID.Stupe said:A shooter wouldn't have to go through a side or back door. There aren't even buzz -in locks on the front doors near the offices.Quote:
And last - you have to get the kids on board. As much as it is preached and preached to the students to not let anyone in the building, you find them opening doors for other students and adults frequently. You almost need to post an adult at each door all day long. That is pretty much impossible when you think about how many doors our schools have.
TLIAC said:
As far as arming civilians, keep in mind that they would need to be highly trained in gun safety, shoot/don't shoot and weapons retention. Officers train for almost a full year before they are on their own with a weapon. Think about the risk of putting an under-trained civilian in a school with a campus full of kids. I think they would also need to pass a psychological exam, just like officers do.
I don't worry about real incidents with an active shooter, well I do kind of (can they determine who the shooter is, is it safe to shoot without kids in the line of fire etc.). I do worry about their decision making in a non-active shooter situation. Will they have to training to not shoot? I don't totally oppose the idea. It just concerns me to put armed civilians in a school with kids. I would want them to be very, very highly trained.Stupe said:TLIAC said:
As far as arming civilians, keep in mind that they would need to be highly trained in gun safety, shoot/don't shoot and weapons retention. Officers train for almost a full year before they are on their own with a weapon. Think about the risk of putting an under-trained civilian in a school with a campus full of kids. I think they would also need to pass a psychological exam, just like officers do.
If there is an active shooter situation, which would their only authorization to arm, then the goal would be to slow down or stop the shooter.
At that point, risk is relative to the situation.
I agree with you on the rest of it.
I don't think anyone would expect him to be in class soon however, that information is protected by federal law. School officials can't release information regarding student punishment to anyone, just like law enforcement can't release juvenile information. From what I've seen, school administrators take this very seriously and there are guidelines that they follow to determine their course of action.double said:
I'm concerned with the lack of information. Will this student be in class tomorrow? In class in the future?
AgGunNut said:
Seems like the school marshal program approved by the legislature would more precisely fit the bill. The training time is lower, and there aren't as many liabilities and responsibilities associated with it as there are with being a peace officer. As reserve peace officers, the initial training and cost is the same as a full time officer, so an agency paying to train people specifically to be reserves at a school is probably less likely than the district starting a school marshal program.
Here is a link explaining the school marshal program.
https://www.tcole.texas.gov/content/school-marshals
We had excellent training and were required to attend multiple active shooter training classes. I felt that one of the biggest barriers that I faced were the student's mindset that "that would never happen here." I don't know how many times I would talk to a class after an active shooter drill and they would would tell me that. I would explain that I'm sure that the schools where it had happened had thought the same thing. I told them that my goal - if we had an active shooter - was that no one but the shooter would die and if anyone but the shooter died, it needed to be me. That was my job - to keep them safe. That said, their lack of concern is what would lead to them, on occasion, to let students and others in doors that were not authorized for entry during school hours. During the school day everyone is supposed to enter through the main office and speak with the receptionist first.Lone Stranger said:
TLIAC.....thank you for your service as the very visible security presence at a local high school until your retirement. I would be interested in your thoughts on the subject of school security. Is generally what you learned and trained for on the subject of school security in line with what you observed to be best practices or did you observe and learn things in the day to day schedule of living it that seem to differ from the manuals or books from the folks delivering the training? Any of that that would be valuable feedback to the district on the subject. Maybe they have already asked you but just thought you might have some thoughts because you were so involved.
That will be great to have during an incident.txgardengirl said:
TLIAC - they did present last night that the Sheriff's office is working to connect with the cameras already in the schools to provide full monitoring in case of a situation.
The district safety update was presented last night - video should be up in a few days.
