Has there been ANY public input into this cluster?
University & 2818 intersection
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Last: 7 yr ago by cadetjay02
The Hwy. 21/I-35 interchange isn't listed because it's a continuous flow intersection, not a DDI. It's similar, but in a CFI, the left hand turn lane is the one that crosses over, whereas the DDI it's the main lanes that cross over.LOYAL AG said:
If you've been through the interchange at HWY 21 and I-35 in San Marcos this is similar to what they did there and it's worked extremely well. The DDI website (yes an interchange design has it's own website) doesn't list that interchange I'm guessing because they didn't do it completely but that's the design from west bound 82 onto south bound 35 and into town.
As far as a cluster, I'm not so sure, looking at the video (traffic porn). It could work, and definitely would be safer.
It seems that in this town the cluster f&^% areas are the ones that the City Planners either failed to have foresight and planning. (ie. putting in the mega apartment complexes on 2818 without taking pressure off FM 2818)
Your mileage may vary, but newbie drivers are less of a nuisance than the overconfidant-greek frat/sorority drivers in this down. At least most of the newbie drivers have some notions of caution while driving their 4000-5000 lb projectile.
It seems that in this town the cluster f&^% areas are the ones that the City Planners either failed to have foresight and planning. (ie. putting in the mega apartment complexes on 2818 without taking pressure off FM 2818)
Your mileage may vary, but newbie drivers are less of a nuisance than the overconfidant-greek frat/sorority drivers in this down. At least most of the newbie drivers have some notions of caution while driving their 4000-5000 lb projectile.
PS3D said:The Hwy. 21/I-35 interchange isn't listed because it's a continuous flow intersection, not a DDI. It's similar, but in a CFI, the left hand turn lane is the one that crosses over, whereas the DDI it's the main lanes that cross over.LOYAL AG said:
If you've been through the interchange at HWY 21 and I-35 in San Marcos this is similar to what they did there and it's worked extremely well. The DDI website (yes an interchange design has it's own website) doesn't list that interchange I'm guessing because they didn't do it completely but that's the design from west bound 82 onto south bound 35 and into town.
Interesting and good to know. I knew it wasn't identical but it looked similar. I do know that what they did there is significantly better than what was here.
lol, TxDOT knows BCS drivers all too well
Rooster14 said:
the so called "benefits" the "experts" with advanced engineering degrees
How do you know someone with an advanced engineering degree came up with this idea? College Station also has the first Dutch-style intersection with luminescent pavement markings in the country... and that luminescent pavement marking is absolute crap. A complete failure. I hope it wasn't the same "experts" with the same advanced engineering degrees that came up with that brilliant idea.
I'm not saying this concept won't work, but "experts" with "advanced engineering degrees" get things wrong too, especially with new designs like this.
Rooster14 said:
it will be clearly marked where to drive.
All the double turn lanes in this town are clearly marked too but people still find a way to f*** those up.
I agree it will be a cluster that may actually be very beneficial once people understand how it works. However, I want to know how this ties in to future plans. Of course I am assuming that 2818 will eventually be a freeway with natural feeder roads/overpasses for the cross roads (should have started on that 10 years ago).
Looks like this was probably the best solution considering the resources available and without creating a bunch of hugely expensive flyover ramps.
I still wish something could be done about 2818/Hollemann.
I still wish something could be done about 2818/Hollemann.
I asked above: what public input was sought? And when?
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I asked above: what public input was sought? And when?
There was a public meeting about it last year.
http://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/projects/studies/bryan/fm60.html
May 19, 2016 Public Hearing
Feb. 11, 2016 Open House
Why not put in a big roundabout in that area?
Thanks.
We didn't win the American Revolution just to start building roundabouts!sunshine1 said:
Why not put in a big roundabout in that area?
Yeah ... no thanksQuote:
Half of the world's roundabouts are in France (more than 30,000 as of 2008), although the United Kingdom has more as a proportion of the road than any other country
Went on one of these in Asheville not too long ago. After exiting and then going left over the freeway, I only had to go through 1 stoplight instead of the normal 2. That's the beauty of the DDI: all left turns are reduced to waiting for 1 stoplight instead of 2. The only thing better is the single point urban interchange, where even passing straight over the freeway only means going through 1 stoplight. I have one near my house (not the one pictured here) that I use all the time and it is fantastic.
Those traveling on Harvey Mitchell will go unimpeded across University without worrying about people turning left in front of them. Those traveling on University across Harvey Mitchell will have to go through 2 stop lights now, although I'm not sure with traffic growth how long this intersection could have remained unlit.
Those traveling on Harvey Mitchell will go unimpeded across University without worrying about people turning left in front of them. Those traveling on University across Harvey Mitchell will have to go through 2 stop lights now, although I'm not sure with traffic growth how long this intersection could have remained unlit.
Several media reports stated "work will begin Monday, Mar 6".......yet early this afternoon zero/zip/nothing was taking place around the intersection.
It did look like some signs for eastbound Hwy 60 traffic were going up, near the Easterwood/Turkey Creek exchange.
So during the closure, someone traveling eastbound on FM60, desiring to go south on FM2818 ??? Take the F&B road detour to Wellborn Rd, then head south on Wellborn? Yikes!
It did look like some signs for eastbound Hwy 60 traffic were going up, near the Easterwood/Turkey Creek exchange.
So during the closure, someone traveling eastbound on FM60, desiring to go south on FM2818 ??? Take the F&B road detour to Wellborn Rd, then head south on Wellborn? Yikes!
That's work.GSS said:
Several media reports stated "work will begin Monday, Mar 6".......yet early this afternoon zero/zip/nothing was taking place around the intersection.
It did look like some signs for eastbound Hwy 60 traffic were going up, near the Easterwood/Turkey Creek exchange.
So during the closure, someone traveling eastbound on FM60, desiring to go south on FM2818 ??? Take the F&B road detour to Wellborn Rd, then head south on Wellborn? Yikes!
Two years of construction for a problem that could be fixed with 4 traffic lights.
It's not as bad as you make it sound, but it definitely would have been easier before the recent & ongoing developments on Rock Prairie West, etc. Here's a sample alignment that ties into existing roads, which would be widened, of course (warning, huge image):Stupe said:"Take out a few house"75AG said:
Go around Easterwood, the fireman's training center, take out a few houses, give some old land owners some money. And voila! Less traffic on 2818.
1. The only place that you could start would be where 47 hits Welborn Rd
2. There aren't a "few houses" in the way, there are neighborhoods expensive house on land.
3. This is such a stupid and unrealistic idea that I can't believe that I'm actually having a discussion about it.
The blue route does not touch any houses, and the red one a very minimal amount. Of course if you're one of those "minimal" getting eminent-domained, it's a very big deal. And even if you keep your house, you probably don't want a highway in your front yard.
There's basically zero chance of this ever happening, but it would solve a lot of traffic problems.
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Oh, and here's the details of the spring break closure of FM60:
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The activity will progress as follows:
Monday, March 6 construction prep and signage deployment begins
Wednesday, March 8 Friday, March 10 - various lane closures from 8 p.m. until 6 a.m. to install a storm drain
Beginning at 11:59 p.m. Friday night, March 10 through 6 a.m. Monday, March 20, FM 60 (Raymond Stotzer Pkwy) will be COMPLETELY CLOSED from Turkey Creek Road to Research Parkway to allow for a full depth pavement reconstruction. EXPECT SIGNIFICANT DELAYS. AVOID THIS AREA.
GSS said:
So during the closure, someone traveling eastbound on FM60, desiring to go south on FM2818 ??? Take the F&B road detour to Wellborn Rd, then head south on Wellborn? Yikes!
Depends where you're coming from, going up George Bush to 2818 might be better.
google earth only goes back to 1995 for BCS, it would've been more doable in the 1990s or earlier. Which is funny, b/c i first heard about the idea when i was a student around 2000 or so, so people had been thinking about it. But once all the development on whites creek and 40 happened, it became nigh impossible.
I enjoyed watching that simulation. But now I want to play Simcity.
I'm not sure why you're directing that at me since I haven't said whether I'm for or against this project.75AG said:
Two years of construction for a problem that could be fixed with 4 traffic lights.
I just said that the "40 to 47" idea wasn't feasible.
Edit: Actually, I said it was ridiculous.
I don't know why I addressed this to you. I've got the flu, and on drugs....
You and everyone else. They have had the ROW for 30 years to make 2818 "freeway" with frontage roads but the money hasn't been there - especially for the grade separations.AGnCS said:
Looks like this was probably the best solution considering the resources available and without creating a bunch of hugely expensive flyover ramps.
I still wish something could be done about 2818/Hollemann.
Flyover ramps are a non-starter for the intersection since it sits at the end of a runway (also why the streetlights on that section of FM60 are shorter).
I know at one point 40 to 47 alignment was looked at in the late 90's/early 2000's but I think it was largely contingent on moving Brayton Fire School and Easterwood elsewhere.
They city should just extend both roads right across the runway and connect them. There could be red lights placed at each end to stop traffic for arriving/departing flights. It's not like there are 100 flights a day.....
That works at Gibraltar.
public hearing conveniently timed for just after spring graduation so all students who aren't here year-round will have already left town for the summer
The city council doesn't plan hearings based on whether or not TAMU or Blinn students will be around to show up.threecatcorner said:
public hearing conveniently timed for just after spring graduation so all students who aren't here year-round will have already left town for the summer
At 4:15 there's a white car that turns left from onto George Bush from the right turn lane into the left lane on Bush.TexasAggie_02 said:
lol, TxDOT knows BCS drivers all too well
I think the reason it works well there is 90% of the traffic on 21/80 is turning on 35. It speeds up left turns, so it makes sense there. Unfortunately, it is not the same for 60. A much higher percentage of traffic proceeds straight into town rather than turning on 2818.LOYAL AG said:PS3D said:The Hwy. 21/I-35 interchange isn't listed because it's a continuous flow intersection, not a DDI. It's similar, but in a CFI, the left hand turn lane is the one that crosses over, whereas the DDI it's the main lanes that cross over.LOYAL AG said:
If you've been through the interchange at HWY 21 and I-35 in San Marcos this is similar to what they did there and it's worked extremely well. The DDI website (yes an interchange design has it's own website) doesn't list that interchange I'm guessing because they didn't do it completely but that's the design from west bound 82 onto south bound 35 and into town.
Interesting and good to know. I knew it wasn't identical but it looked similar. I do know that what they did there is significantly better than what was here.
I predict the traffic jam moves from left turn lanes to the stretch of 60 coming into town just before the intersection. Everyone coming in on 47 is going to start using 2154 to get to 2818 instead of 60.
why not do something like the Old Main/welborn intersection? Have all the thru traffic on FM 60 go under 2818. Anyone that wants to turn onto 2818 can stay up top and turn left/right.