AgySkeet06 said:

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I guess a lot of you are wealthier landowners than we are.

I just dont logically see how us having to pay almost $10,000 for land clearing and 2600' of fencing when the neighbor is not going to share any of the cost could then tie on and use that fence for his benefit.

All other neighbors we have a split materials/split section agreement for fencing

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have you considered that the other owner may not be able to share the cost?

AgySkeet06 said:

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I guess a lot of you are wealthier landowners than we are.

I just dont logically see how us having to pay almost $10,000 for land clearing and 2600' of fencing when the neighbor is not going to share any of the cost could then tie on and use that fence for his benefit.

All other neighbors we have a split materials/split section agreement for fencing

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Well... You lose use of a part of your land by not building on the line.

What do you gain by being vindictive here? You're just setting yourself up for a further fight.

How did that conversation go with the neighbor? Feels like we're missing out on the details of why you want to spite them so bad...

You do bring up a good point. As more land sells for non-cattle use, the less people will be willing to share the cost. If I'm using a property strictly for deer hunting, I cant justify dropping $10k for my neighbors cattle fence.

The other side of that is I have no problem with the neighbor building it in a way to prevent my use.

AgySkeet06 said:

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I guess a lot of you are wealthier landowners than we are.

I just dont logically see how us having to pay almost $10,000 for land clearing and 2600' of fencing when the neighbor is not going to share any of the cost could then tie on and use that fence for his benefit.

All other neighbors we have a split materials/split section agreement for fencing

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$10,000 for land clearing and fencing? Good God, if the brush thicket is that bad you don't need the fence there. Happy cattle don't wander, Bulls are the exception but let's face it we've all gone through barriers chasing tail.

Is the land free and clear 3 feet away from the boundary? or will you still intend to pay that 3ft inside your property line?

Wire is fairly cheap, T-posts can be reused if in decent enough shape. Used telephone poles can be found easily, or at least they could the last time I looked.

You're a landowner, do you not have any equipment to do your own clearing? I think you should reevaluate that estimated cost of the fence.

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AgySkeet06 said:

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I guess a lot of you are wealthier landowners than we are.

I just dont logically see how us having to pay almost $10,000 for land clearing and 2600' of fencing when the neighbor is not going to share any of the cost could then tie on and use that fence for his benefit.

All other neighbors we have a split materials/split section agreement for fencing

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$10,000 for land clearing and fencing? Good God, if the brush thicket is that bad you don't need the fence there. Happy cattle don't wander, Bulls are the exception but let's face it we've all gone through barriers chasing tail.

Is the land free and clear 3 feet away from the boundary? or will you still intend to pay that 3ft inside your property line?

Wire is fairly cheap, T-posts can be reused if in decent enough shape. Used telephone poles can be found easily, or at least they could the last time I looked.

You're a landowner, do you not have any equipment to do your own clearing? I think you should reevaluate that estimated cost of the fence.

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Surveyors staked the property line about 15' behind that youpon....


Post Clearing with a mulcher, this runs 2600'. machine went right to the survey stakes


Good 6" cedar posts are running $8 each. Perimeter fence will be 1 cedar to 3 steel post, 5 wire
Costs add up real quick....

It may be in your right to deny him to tie in. And I understand your frustration at him not paying for any portion. But assuming tying on does not hurt or hinder you, maybe in the interest of keeping the peace you let him tie on. Tell him what kind of brace you want so he doesn't pull your fence down.

AgySkeet06 said:

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Not that confusing at all. We have just set the precedent that if the neighbor ever decides to put livestock on his new property that he will have to build his own fence to contain such livestock.
As pointed out in the state statue earlier, if the fence is contained within our property we can then deny them the right to tie onto it for their use (such as their livestock)

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not really. What you've done is given him about 1/5 acre of extra grazing. Does your county have a stock law? If so, do you think the Sheriff is going to come out to enforce it if his presumed future cattle graze across the boundary and up to your fence?

Seems like you're "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

Your fence. Do whatever you want, but seems pretty petty to me.

It's gonna be funny when your neighbor builds a fence on his line, then you have to maintain the 3' that your worried about while fighting two fence lines or you'll have to move yours again. Financially, your not gaining anything and risking more.

Sounds like your mind is made up. 2 pages in and I do not know if I read that anyone thought this was a good idea.

Your money and future issues. Keep us posted in a few years.

Am I remembering things poorly, or are there parts of Texas or all of Texas that are governed by a "fence out" law for livestock? My understanding was that in at least some counties, it was the responsibility of the landowner to fence out their property if they didn't want their neighbor's livestock on their land. If you are in one of those areas, it would be his responsibility to fence out your livestock and not yours. I am not an attorney, and I may have a terrible understanding of ranching/fence law, but I thought I read that somewhere in the past.

With all that said, this seems like a pretty petty disagreement. If the guy has no interest in running livestock on the property, why would he be interested in spending thousands of dollars to build your fence for your livestock? I get the neighbors working together thing, but when you start talking about thousands of dollars for something that may not benefit him at all, I can see why he would not be interested. Doing it the way you are doing may feel good from a vindictive angle, but you are setting yourself and your future heirs up for a lifetime of headaches, not to mention kicking off a relationship with your neighbor on a bad note.

AgySkeet06 said:

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txags92 said:

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With all that said, this seems like a pretty petty disagreement. If the guy has no interest in running livestock on the property, why would he be interested in spending thousands of dollars to build your fence for your livestock? I get the neighbors working together thing, but when you start talking about thousands of dollars for something that may not benefit him at all, I can see why he would not be interested. Doing it the way you are doing may feel good from a vindictive angle, but you are setting yourself and your future heirs up for a lifetime of headaches, not to mention kicking off a relationship with your neighbor on a bad note.

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No offense to the majority of desktop cowboys posting here but this is an economic gamble on the long game here.
With no fence he cannot have livestock, with no livestock he looses the ag exemption for taxes. If that doesn't bother him than fine good for the county and it gives us outer perimeter access for fence maintenance but if it does then there is potential for a long term lease for the roughly 0.18 acre strip of that will recoup the share cost of the fence and allow him to simply tie on to our corners

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All he has to do is get a wildlife exemption and he doesn't need to run livestock.

I don't think this will work out the way you envision it.

You do you though.

Blow on, my man.

SweaterVest said:

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I don't think this will work out the way you envision it.

You do you though.

Blow on, my man.

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I agree. There are endless ways a neighbor can F with him to make his life miserable, and he seems to be setting himself up for a long unhealthy relationship. And all because the neighbor isn't willing to subsidize his livestock operation by helping build a fence he likely has no need for.

Ahh finally clicked... You're pissed about losing the long term lease that you had and you're holding this new buyer responsible.

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land that was a part of our ranch (a long term lease) was sold.

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If you have to feel the pain, then he damn sure better feel it too.

Please correct that but so far the biggest transgression this guy has done is to not pay for your fence...

Realise you're kicking off a potential fued here. He can make your life hell... All over half a fence that you have to pay for either way.

Well good luck with that!

What is the long game here??

1. Ask for advice
2. Received advise you don't agree with and doesn't support your view
3. Insult advice givers for not agreeing with you
4. Wait for issues to arise that advice givers warned you about.

Looks like we are stage 4 so our work here is done I guess??

I am glad I am not OP's neighbor. Heaven forbid they use your fence, whatever that even fckn means.

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Seems like you're "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

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My attorney told me "penny wise but dollar dumb".

AgySkeet06 said:

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txags92 said:

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With all that said, this seems like a pretty petty disagreement. If the guy has no interest in running livestock on the property, why would he be interested in spending thousands of dollars to build your fence for your livestock? I get the neighbors working together thing, but when you start talking about thousands of dollars for something that may not benefit him at all, I can see why he would not be interested. Doing it the way you are doing may feel good from a vindictive angle, but you are setting yourself and your future heirs up for a lifetime of headaches, not to mention kicking off a relationship with your neighbor on a bad note.

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No offense to the majority of desktop cowboys posting here but this is an economic gamble on the long game here.
With no fence he cannot have livestock, with no livestock he looses the ag exemption for taxes. If that doesn't bother him than fine good for the county and it gives us outer perimeter access for fence maintenance but if it does then there is potential for a long term lease for the roughly 0.18 acre strip of that will recoup the share cost of the fence and allow him to simply tie on to our corners

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I post from my phone, thank you very much.

If there's a chance that you'll want to sell this property in the future keep in mind that your placement of the fence inside the property line will be off-putting to most potential buyers.

Another vote for "build on the property line".