The second amendment protects everything I hold dear. If you don't like the conversation, see yourself out

the two armed individuals in the ups van just completed a robbery and hijacked the UPS truck as a getaway. whats ****ed about this is several things:

1. stolen property is insured
2. there were a couple of choke points they couldve surrounded the vehicle in, but instead chose to engage on a busy highway using civilians as human ****ing shields
3. THEY USED CIVILIANS AS HUMAN ****ING SHIELDS
4. killed the two armed individuals, the ups driver and someone in their car. theres a video somewhere of them killing the UPS driver to get at the armed individuals. i also saw a video of the truck being towed down the highway with hundreds of rounds through it.


i'm not sure wtf they are doing for training in florida, but between that and the school shooting, something is royally ****ed.

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Aggieangler93 said:

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I'm hoping it stays peaceful. I cannot imagine that same thing happening in Texas. I would assume we would have already burned the capitol building down and posted snipers on all adjacent buildings, if they tried to limit our 2A rights in this State.

Not one inch.....

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VA was a pretty gun-friendly state until November '19. This could easily happen in TX.

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The Virginia situation came about from a combination of Soros and Bloomberg deluging state dems with campaign money, Obama's tremendous expansion of the government agencies, and apathy towards the situation by republican voters. I don't think we will have any problems with voter apathy in the next election...

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Yes, that's exactly what happened there. And it could easily happen in TX.

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Except in our case, instead of the flood of government employees coming into Northern Virginia to work in DC, we have a flood of Californians coming to Austin.

Sorry to chime in, but if that does happen, sanctuary cities will be up to bat to put their money where their mouth is. I do think if there is a situation where law enforcement go door to door to confiscate guns, there will be blood

Cops shot an unarmed man trying to clean their windshield yesterday in Houston.

That happened to me in Houston several times and I always managed to NOT shoot the unarmed hobo.

El Chupacabra said:

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So when the bills become laws, which they will, will there be 10s of thousands of armed protesters going to Richmond again?

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Maybe, if they decide situation calls for it.

What is more likely is we finally take a page out of the liberal playbook on immigration and weed: massive non compliance and sanctuary cities that ignore the orders of the Crown.

Yesterday several important things happened.

1) like minded people came together and networked with others like them. Showing the govt in Richmond opposition to these unconstitutional and immoral laws was important, but more important was showing people they're not alone in this fight if they choose to continue civil disobedience.

2) The cops got a chance to interact with the protesters and learned several things. a) they are (for now) law abiding, peaceful citizens who are not looking for a fight with law enforcement. No arrests were made, the protesters picked up their own trash, etc. b) they are very, very well armed. c) they are organized d) they outnumber LEOs. Most estimates I saw of the protesters was in the 20,000 to 25,000 range. The number of sworn officers in Virginia is in the 22,000 range. That's absolutely going to weigh on some minds if Blackface Northam decides to actually try his tyrannical confiscation bullcrap against the rest of the state.

3) There is a widely taught police tactic. "Ask, Tell, Make". The sanctuary city/county initiatives before this were the ask. 25,000 armed protesters was the Tell. Now it is up to Northam whether or not he wants to keep pushing and have the people Make him stop this crap.

Only time well tell how all this goes, but I think yesterday was a very positive, very important thing for civil rights in this country.

I'm going to guess you aren't very familiar w/ LEJ (or sarcasm). Stick around here a little bit...

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To be fair, we have a real problem with cops executing people and dogs in this country. And it gets worse if you're black.

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Source???
because that is BS.

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Get your head out of the sand.

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I'm pretty sure the data doesn't bear this out if you mean "fatally shoot." which could me self defense, or not, or could mean exactly what you stated, "execute."

Now, parse out the word "execute." Define your terms and maybe we can have a conversation.


for example:

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In the original study, published on 22 July in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), researchers at Michigan State University and the University of Maryland compiled a list of more than 900 fatal U.S. police shootings in 2015 using crowdsourced databases from The Washington Post and The Guardian. Then, they asked police departments for information about the race of the officers responsible for the shootings. They found black police were more likely to kill black civilians than white civilians. However, the same held true for white and Hispanic officers: Each group of police was likelier to shoot civilians of their own race. That's likely true, the researchers say, because police tend to be drawn from the communities they work in and are thus more likely to have deadly encounters with civilians of the same race. They concluded there were no antiblack or anti-Hispanic disparities across police shootings

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[url=https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877][/url]Now, some have come out against this as flawed analysis, but it was a peer reviewed study, so who is more biased? The researchers, or the folks crying foul? Who really knows.

Bottom line: I'm not sure that narrative, while pressed widely, is actually true.

reddog90 said:

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Aggieangler93 said:

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I'm hoping it stays peaceful. I cannot imagine that same thing happening in Texas. I would assume we would have already burned the capitol building down and posted snipers on all adjacent buildings, if they tried to limit our 2A rights in this State.

Not one inch.....

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VA was a pretty gun-friendly state until November '19. This could easily happen in TX.

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The Virginia situation came about from a combination of Soros and Bloomberg deluging state dems with campaign money, Obama's tremendous expansion of the government agencies, and apathy towards the situation by republican voters. I don't think we will have any problems with voter apathy in the next election...

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Yes, that's exactly what happened there. And it could easily happen in TX.

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take a look at houston and dallas. even on the DISCLOSED money, soros PUT those local politicians in power.
it HAS happened.

i hope the sanctuary cities stand their ground. i did see a sheriff at the rally go live and say that he and his men would not enforce any laws pertained to any bans. so i really hope theres some bite behind the bark if the laws are passed.

El Chupacabra said:

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There won't be a door to door confiscation, that won't be needed. There has been compliance with every law passed to date, don't expect that to change.

The threat of becoming a felon and having your life ruined is enough for people to comply.

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I get why you say that. NFA 34, GCA 68, Hughes 86, Import ban 89, AWB 94. I really do. We took it all. Without violence, even without much protesting or civil disobedience.

I'm telling you, it's different this time. The part of your post I bolded is why.

The laws proposed in Virginia will turn law abiding citizens into felons overnight for simply owning an inanimate object. But the thing that makes everything different this time from every past infringement is the Red Flag aspect. Do you have anyone in your life who disagrees with you politically and knows you own guns? If you lived in Virginia, you would be facing a future with a serious risk of being red flagged if these laws pass.

Virginian gun owners right now are contemplating a future with two options. Lose their rights and their property to the legal whims of people who look down on them as "deplorables and nazis"....or start acting like the felons those voters and politicians turned them into.

I know quite a few people who attended the rally. They are not political rally people. Many of them are combat vets. Several of them traveled from several states away to be there. They are people who are very, very opposed to the idea of America being a country where a man has to live in fear of a no knock raid on his house by a SWAT team of the State Security Apparatus because someone reported them anonymously to a Red Flag hotline, where the best outcome is he isn't murdered in front of his family and the Stazi don't find any "illegal" gun contraband to arrest him for possessing.

I was going to waste everyone's time with more of my crap, but instead if you have the time I'd like for you to give this guys quick 6 min speech a listen. He gets it. It is different this time. And I hope to God the people pushing these idiotic ideas figure that out before anyone else gets hurt (I say anyone else because people have already died thanks to red flag orders)

BenderRodriguez said:

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El Chupacabra said:

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There won't be a door to door confiscation, that won't be needed. There has been compliance with every law passed to date, don't expect that to change.

The threat of becoming a felon and having your life ruined is enough for people to comply.

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I get why you say that. NFA 34, GCA 68, Hughes 86, Import ban 89, AWB 94. I really do. We took it all. Without violence, even without much protesting or civil disobedience.

I'm telling you, it's different this time. The part of your post I bolded is why.

The laws proposed in Virginia will turn law abiding citizens into felons overnight for simply owning an inanimate object. But the thing that makes everything different this time from every past infringement is the Red Flag aspect. Do you have anyone in your life who disagrees with you politically and knows you own guns? If you lived in Virginia, you would be facing a future with a serious risk of being red flagged if these laws pass.

Virginian gun owners right now are contemplating a future with two options. Lose their rights and their property to the legal whims of people who look down on them as "deplorables and nazis"....or start acting like the felons those voters and politicians turned them into.

I know quite a few people who attended the rally. They are not political rally people. Many of them are combat vets. Several of them traveled from several states away to be there. They are people who are very, very opposed to the idea of America being a country where a man has to live in fear of a no knock raid on his house by a SWAT team of the State Security Apparatus because someone reported them anonymously to a Red Flag hotline, where the best outcome is he isn't murdered in front of his family and the Stazi don't find any "illegal" gun contraband to arrest him for possessing.

I was going to waste everyone's time with more of my crap, but instead if you have the time I'd like for you to give this guys quick 6 min speech a listen. He gets it. It is different this time. And I hope to God the people pushing these idiotic ideas figure that out before anyone else gets hurt (I say anyone else because people have already died thanks to red flag orders)

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I guess I'm jaded. I guess I'll believe it when I see it. I see no reason to believe it is different this time. And they won't stop...ever. And they have more money and more time and influence and judges and voters and corruption to work with. And they know how to play the long game and have done so for generations.