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11:15p, 3/20/19
Glyphosate and a jury...

"Tuesday ushered in another landmark verdict in the wave of lawsuits against Monsanto, the agrochemical giant behind the popular herbicide, Roundup, which has been accused of causing cancer.

On March 19, a federal jury ruled that Roundup was a "substantial" contributor to 70-year-old Edwin Hardeman's cancer diagnosis in 2015. Hardeman used the weed-killer to tend his property for more than two decades. He is one of thousands of plaintiffs who have filed similar claims against Monsanto, which was recently acquired by Bayer."
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I guess I will go stock up on glyphosate (generic), before companies get antsy over juries doing their (un)scientific duty of penalizing big companies because of their $$$.
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11:23p, 3/20/19
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A 70 year old got cancer. News at 11
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 11:31p, 3/20/19
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DannyDuberstein said:
A 70 year old got cancer. News at 11


No kidding. I'm only 30 and I've been using Roundup for 15 or so years. Not sure who said it but "if you live long enough eventually you will get cancer" is probably one of the truest quotes to ever exist.
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11:36p, 3/20/19
Even if it were true, I'd be too embarrassed to say that I got cancer from using Roundup.
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11:41p, 3/20/19
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Wish I could find the link, but an article had mentioned that their is no direct scientific link to the chemical and to cancer... found it odd since most articles are fairly against it.

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12:52a, 3/21/19
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Bunch of BS . The average user like me uses 4-5 times a year. Farmers could be different. Farmers are not trying to io kill their customers.
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In reply to LEJ • 6:59a, 3/21/19
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LEJ said:
Even if it were true, I'd be too embarrassed to say that I got cancer from using Roundup.
HAHA...LOL.

No.

For 289 MILLION DOLLARS I will say whatever I need to say.
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7:27a, 3/21/19
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As soon as they get done taking down the big bad Monsanto/Bayer Devil, they can move on to really important cases like those damn farmers gouging consumers on produce.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY 3 DOLLARS PER EAR OF CORN!? PIGGLY WIGGLY USED TO SELL 5 for FIFTY CENTS. YOU ANIMALS!!
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7:38a, 3/21/19
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In reply to BrazosDog02 • 7:38a, 3/21/19
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You don't have to pay anything. Grow your own corn. Perfect time to plant it.
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8:10a, 3/21/19
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this whole Roundup thing has a very Dow Corning silicone breast implant feel to it. if there was a systemic issue, we would see 1000s of farmers with similar cancers. a couple of lawyers are going to get very rich. a decade from now, we will likely find out this was pretty overblown.
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In reply to Furlock Bones • 8:17a, 3/21/19
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Furlock Bones said:
this whole Roundup thing has a very Dow Corning silicone breast implant feel to it. if there was a systemic issue, we would see 1000s of farmers with similar cancers. a couple of lawyers are going to get very rich. a decade from now, we will likely find out this was pretty overblown.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

I remember doing a research paper on the silicone suits in high school, and finding a quote from a juror after awarding a plaintif a ton of $$. She basically said that she really wasn't convinced that the silicone caused the plaintiff's illness, but the woman was clearly sick, so someone had to help her.
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In reply to Hodor • 8:38a, 3/21/19
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Hodor said:
Furlock Bones said:
this whole Roundup thing has a very Dow Corning silicone breast implant feel to it. if there was a systemic issue, we would see 1000s of farmers with similar cancers. a couple of lawyers are going to get very rich. a decade from now, we will likely find out this was pretty overblown.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

I remember doing a research paper on the silicone suits in high school, and finding a quote from a juror after awarding a plaintif a ton of $$. She basically said that she really wasn't convinced that the silicone caused the plaintiff's illness, but the woman was clearly sick, so someone had to help her.
I thought about something very similar last night while watching one of those injury lawyer commercials....

"My husband was killed while driving a company vehicle. I received an undisclosed amount. This will help me to raise my children".

I thought, well, she definitely needed the money, but the details of the accident are anyones guess.
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9:13a, 3/21/19
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What the article doesn't tell you is that the federal court that let this go to trial (with the likely extremely dubious expert testimony) was a federal court in San Francisco.

It was probably hardly a trial at all; more of just a show-trial to hammer a corporate boogieman that the judge disfavors.
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9:20a, 3/21/19
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Serious question though, would it be wise to stockpile some glyphosate for home/food plot use? I worry it may go the way of MSMA.
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9:45a, 3/21/19
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Totally off subject, but has anybody else noticed that certain weeds see to be growing immune to RoundUp? Some types that use to die easily are taking repeated doses to kill or are simply not dying at all.
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In reply to ThunderCougarFalconBird • 6:45p, 3/21/19
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blindey said:
What the article doesn't tell you is that the federal court that let this go to trial (with the likely extremely dubious expert testimony) was a federal court in San Francisco.

It was probably hardly a trial at all; more of just a show-trial to hammer a corporate boogieman that the judge disfavors.
Not sure how you think this wasn't going to go to trial. These type of suits aren't my wheelhouse, but I could easily see it surviving a motion to dismiss (it's fairly easy to state a plausible claim for relief in this case when you have to take all well pled facts as true) and fairly easily surviving a motion for summary judgment (way too many genuine issues of material fact). This case was destined for either settlement or a jury the moment it was filed.
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In reply to memace • 9:06p, 3/21/19
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I have 20k gallons at the warehouse if ya want some
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In reply to aggiedent • 9:32p, 3/21/19
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aggiedent said:
Totally off subject, but has anybody else noticed that certain weeds see to be growing immune to RoundUp? Some types that use to die easily are taking repeated doses to kill or are simply not dying at all.
yeah. It's resistance. Not uncommon or unexpected
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9:35p, 3/21/19
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When they announce they are going to pull RoundUP off the shelves, there is going to be a YUGE rush on the stores with it in stock.

You think the ammo rush was bad at first? Now every "liberal" with a nice yard will be added to the masses.....for a few containers.

EVERYONE hates weeds.
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In reply to aggiedent • 9:59p, 3/21/19
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I've noticed it with weeds I've never treated before.
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10:01p, 3/21/19
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This is ambulance chasing on a grand scale. Its not about the plaintiff, and its not really about glyphosate. It IS about big dollars and a few lawyers getting filthy rich. What pisses me off the most about all of this, is not one of these verdicts are based on science or facts. These greaseball attorneys feed on people's political biases, emotion, and good old fashioned ignorance. They have not proven glyphosate causes cancer, they simply can't prove it didn't. YOU CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE! If we lose glyphosate as a tool, its going to change farming, forestry, electrical utilities, and we'll all feel the ripple effects.
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10:04p, 3/21/19
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And what the news is not advertising is that before one dime of the first settlement can be paid, the plaintiff MUST PROVE definitively that Roundup does cause cancer. Good luck with!
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10:25p, 3/21/19
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I guess getting a few drums would not be a bad idea. We use a lot on fence lines, cattle pens and roads. I have yet to find anything else that works and does not kill every tree in sight!
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In reply to JYDog90 • 10:32p, 3/21/19
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Doesn't matter whether you've sprayed those weeds or not. Roundup resistant weeds are showing up more and more as a product of natural selection.
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In reply to hbc07 • 10:47a, 3/22/19
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hbc07 said:
blindey said:
What the article doesn't tell you is that the federal court that let this go to trial (with the likely extremely dubious expert testimony) was a federal court in San Francisco.

It was probably hardly a trial at all; more of just a show-trial to hammer a corporate boogieman that the judge disfavors.
Not sure how you think this wasn't going to go to trial. These type of suits aren't my wheelhouse, but I could easily see it surviving a motion to dismiss (it's fairly easy to state a plausible claim for relief in this case when you have to take all well pled facts as true) and fairly easily surviving a motion for summary judgment (way too many genuine issues of material fact). This case was destined for either settlement or a jury the moment it was filed.
I disagree. With a real judge, this is at most a directed verdict because there is unlikely any admissible expert testimony.
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In reply to WestTexAG • 12:06p, 3/22/19
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WestTexAG said:
Doesn't matter whether you've sprayed those weeds or not. Roundup resistant weeds are showing up more and more as a product of natural selection.
Before roundup ready crops took off, weeds were controlled by a variety of chemicals with different modes of action. So weeds were killed without repeated exposure to only one mode of action. After roundup ready crops came along many people, unfortunately, thought of roundup as the easy button. They stopped using different modes of action, and started using roundup exclusively. Then when weeds started to get through, they would up the rate. Then up the rate again, then again. Now there are weeds that you can pour the whole jug on and it won't phase them. It was very poorly managed by monsanto, as they should have marketed it as a part of a system with other modes of action mixed in. Marketing it as a one shot magic bullet lead to massive amounts of weed resistance.

That being said, there has never been any research that has showed any negative health effect from glyphosate.

Ever. Forty years of research, forty years of never a problem. Until the world health organization (socialists) declared that we can't prove it doesn't cause cancer, so it must cause cancer.


The anti Ag technology blitz coming from the left is all about 1 thing.

Socialism. He who controls the food supply controls the people. The United States has the safest and most abundant food supply in the world. Also the cheapest. Why? Because American farmers use technology to produce more and better quality yield per acre than ever before. The leftists want to do away with this "American privilege" of cheap, safe, and plentiful food.

Leftists want to legislate away ag chemicals and force growers to grow organic. Is organic food safer? Not at all. But it yields less and costs more. Leftists want to legislate away GMO's and force food products to be GMO free. Is GMO free safer? Absolutely not, but it would make crops yield less and food cost more.

A less plentiful food supply that costs more... makes us more like the rest of the world... makes us more dependant on the government... makes hungry people embrace socialism.

The socialists in San Francisco know exactly what they are doing.
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1:17p, 3/28/19
Big $$$ award after the verdict....

"A jury in San Francisco federal court awarded compensatory damages of $5.3 million and punitive damages of $75 million to a 70-year-old man who became ill after spraying the herbicide on his property for decades. Wednesday's verdict follows a similar decision by a state court jury last summer, and comes as a third trial is under way in Oakland, California."

$80+ million....

The surge of lawsuits will now become a tsunami .....
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1:27p, 3/28/19
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For homeowners looking to stockpile, they have it in a powdered form at TSC. Mix as you need. Much easier, safer ( no spills), and lighter to store. Just wear PPE when mixing to avoid inhaling powder when mixing.
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Architelico said:
For homeowners looking to stockpile, they have it in a powdered form at TSC. Mix as you need. Much easier, safer ( no spills), and lighter to store. Just wear PPE when mixing to avoid inhaling powder getting cancer when mixing.











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11:21p, 5/13/19
Yet another California jury decides "somebody gotta pay!" Our award is bigger than your award...

$2 Billion trial award...

"Bayer says that decades of studies by the company and independent scientists have shown glyphosate and Roundup to be safe for human use. Bayer also points to several regulators around the world that found that glyphosate was not carcinogenic to humans."

Brent Wisner, a lawyer for the Pilliods, at a news conference following the verdict said Bayer had to take responsibility for its product.

"Monsanto keeps denying that it causes cancer and these two fine people here are casualties of that deception," Wisner said, standing next to the California couple, who are in their 70s.
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12:14a, 5/14/19
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-05-08/bayer-braces-for-third-roundup-verdict-amid-shareholder-pressure

Guy had been fighting skin cancer and herpes for years before Roundup was invented
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In reply to Hodor • 5:16a, 5/14/19
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compulsively activist juries. If they get the right set of jurists that are adequately high in the "care" index of their reasoning element (people who tend left/progressive), they will be very strongly compelled to award damages if they can find any way to rationalize it, and it is very easy to rationalize for a suffering individual against a giant corporation if you have that mentality. They might have to just barely give conservatives on the jury some idea that there is an injustice or a way to rationalize it, and then hope the jury will do what they too often do and band together on a compromise that might cause a couple of them to violate their own individual sense of right and wrong, but will satisfy the need to comply with the group decision.

It's FAR easier with the lower standards of a civil trial vs a criminal trial. With the advances we are making in the fields involving human reasoning and decision making, and how these may be used to very carefully select and manipulate a jury to abandon reason for deeper compulsive emotional decision making, I am concerned for the future of important jury trials.

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In reply to Missouri Boat Ride • 7:11a, 5/14/19
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Architelico said:
Just wear PPE when mixing to avoid inhaling powder when mixing.



Why bother? According to this thread, Roundup is harmless to humans
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9:07a, 5/14/19
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My dad is in his 90s and used Roundup since it first came out (and 2,4-D before that). No cancer. Sorry folks, if it caused cancer, I'm pretty sure my old man would have it.
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