gougler08 said:

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JohnnieT said:

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Get a shotgun for home defense.

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Agreed, don't have to be incredibly accurate to still do a lot of damage

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First page gem.

[Keep your disrespectful comments to yourself. - Staff]

If its not a troll (I stay far away from the politics board so I legit dont know), all I can say is it amazes me how many people wait for something bad to happen before deciding they need to change their ways.

Doesnt make sense to wait for something bad to spur you on to buy a gun, you should've had one in the first place. People are so naive these days....

Yes, and a lib, and I don't think he's trolling.

Wycliffe_03 said:

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A lot of people recommend shotgun, but there's an expert marksman and gun nut on the outdoors board (can't remember his name) who says AR is the safest and best for home defense. He even cited ballistics studies.

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Well he got the nut part right anyway.

Why the hell would you announce your presence to the perp?

Arthur Stilwell said:

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Why the hell would you announce your presence to the perp?

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Did I mention the liberal thing?

I just saw that post over there and came over here for the popcorn . . .

blindey said:

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So I know we had the joke/troll thread on this board the other day, but what really is the right answer? I just don't feel safe protecting my family with a claymore or a flamethrower.

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You want an AR15 in .223/5.56 (preferably suppressed for the sake of everyone's ears)

Snow Monkey Ambassador said:

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I just saw that post over there and came over here for the popcorn . . .

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I feel dirty wandering over there....

texrover91 said:

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Lever gun With or without a safety?


Cause, as you know, when the perp hears that click they will beg for mercy and run away

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Yes, according to some posters over there, the racking of a 12 gauge shotgun frightens them off.

For the record, I did not use any derogatory language, slurs, nor did I say anything disparaging about the politics poster. I then suggested a like-minded group he might want to explore.

Frankly, the fact that trigger happy staff edited me is crap.

I clicked on it from the blue star pane and assumed it would be over here. When it wasn't, I QUICKLY clicked back. That place is a cesspool!

I was wondering g about that. All I saw you mention was the pink pistols which is a group that does great work.

BenderRodriguez said:

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I was wondering g about that. All I saw you mention was the pink pistols which is a group that does great work.

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Clearly staff is inserting their own biases in my mouth. I think they owe me a public apology.

AggieChemist said:

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BenderRodriguez said:

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I was wondering g about that. All I saw you mention was the pink pistols which is a group that does great work.

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Clearly staff is inserting their own biases in my mouth. I think they owe me a public apology.

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If you are talking about the Pink Pistols, they are a very well known self-defense advocacy group for the LGBTQ community. (and a voice of sanity IMHO)

puryearag85 said:

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I know this might sound "crazy" but I like shotguns for home defense. I dont dispute the fact that an AR can be a fine weapon for this purpose, but I've bird hunted all my life and I am familiar with all shotgun platforms. I also have a number of pistols, AR's, and AK's. My prefernce is my KSG short barreled 12 gauge with iron sites and a light. Holds 15 shells of whatever. I use buckshot because I no kids at home anymore. I keep this at bedside. I also have a .45 colt rail gun with a light in my nightstand. Just my opinion-cont the argument I've learned some things from these threads

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I think people misconstrue why I don't like shotguns for home defense in a lot of threads. If you've used and patterned your KSG, are competent with it and understand its limitations and abilities, rock on.

That politics thread is a perfect example of everything I dislike about the typical "shotgun is best" advice, primarily:

1) People being told they don't have to aim
2) People being told a shotgun won't over penetrate
3) People being told to use bird ammo for self defense
4) People being told they're perfectly capable of shooting a gun that requires an action done correctly between every single trigger pull under stress to keep functioning but they're incapable of figuring out how to use a semi auto like an AR.

It's not that shotguns aren't perfectly acceptable defensive guns, I just really hate bad and dangerous advice. We've had threads here on the OB where somebody was going to get their daughter a shotgun because she lived in an apartment and had a roommate across the hall and the shotgun was going to penetrate less. Dangerous decisions made on bad information, that most "shotguns are best" guys who heard that once from a cop 30 years ago keep disseminating.

It's less that shotguns suck and more than the myths around their defensive use are super ******ed and dangerous that I really take issue with.

He even cited ballistics studies has me cracking up

AggieChemist said:

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BenderRodriguez said:

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I was wondering g about that. All I saw you mention was the pink pistols which is a group that does great work.

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Clearly staff is inserting their own biases in my mouth. I think they owe me a public apology.

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Pretty sure whomever edited you doesn't know what Pink Pistols is.

http://www.pinkpistols.org/find-a-local-chapter/

Been following the forum 16 thread.....

Came over here to see if link had been established... not disappointed..

How I picture bender reading the 16 thread.