Would love to hear your input on a the Hi-PointTheEyeGuy said:
CZ Scorpion Evo is my favorite. I own a Keltec Sub2k but the primary reason is for it to be in a go bag.
Haven't played with the mechtech... The Roni is still here because I pretty much hate it. Which means I won't try to sell it to someone. Which means it stays on my wall. Which means it pisses me off when i look at it. Every day. But, it's a good conversation starter so there's that.AgySkeet06 said:
Anyone ever seen/used one of these? Looks easy enough and I already have a twin set of G17
http://mechtechsys.com/glock-carbine-conversion/
There is also this, I think Eyeguy had something similar at one time come through his shop
http://www.glockstore.com/RONI-Civilian-Pistol-Carbine-Conversion-Kit-16-Barrel_2
I'd do it at $350, which is what I paid for it.AgySkeet06 said:
Sooooooo you're saying you will sell it to me for $100 so you dont have to look at it anymore???
Absolutely love my Scorpion Evo. I'm waiting for the SBR stamp which, once received, will make it the perfect 9mm rifle.TheEyeGuy said:
CZ Scorpion Evo is my favorite. I own a Keltec Sub2k but the primary reason is for it to be in a go bag.
The MP5 is still the single best 9mm carbine ever designed IMO. I have a knockoff one as well, and the thing is just a hoot to take out and burn through ammo with. Even better since I SBR'd it, will be about 57x better once I get around to getting another stamp and turning it into an SD model.BenderRodriguez said:
Most things that you can do with a 9mm carbine are usually easier accomplished with a 9mm pistol or an actual rifle.
(says the guy who owns a 9mm MP5 clone)
I don't completely agree. You can more reliably reach out to those 25-100 yard shots with a PCC than you could with a pistol, while still keeping a shorter overall length than any rifle caliber carbine, especially if you suppress it. My AR-9 SBR has a 4" barrel and still easily makes hits on a 6" circle at 100 yards. Even with my form 1 suppressor, it is still significantly shorter than either my 8.5" .300 BLK with suppressor, or my 10.5" 5.56 AR. Plus, mag and ammo commonality is a nice benefit. I love my PCC's and feel that they definitely have a place in my gun closet.BenderRodriguez said:
Most things that you can do with a 9mm carbine are usually easier accomplished with a 9mm pistol or an actual rifle.
(says the guy who owns a 9mm MP5 clone)
No, they are all the same except for different calibers (9mm, .40, & .45)DatTallArchitect said:
Are there different HiPoint carbines? Because I hate the trigger on the one my buddy's dad has. Probably the worst trigger I have ever felt.
schmellba99 said:
The MP5 is still the single best 9mm carbine ever designed IMO.
maverick2076 said:
I don't completely agree. You can more reliably reach out to those 25-100 yard shots with a PCC than you could with a pistol, while still keeping a shorter overall length than any rifle caliber carbine, especially if you suppress it. My AR-9 SBR has a 4" barrel and still easily makes hits on a 6" circle at 100 yards. Even with my form 1 suppressor, it is still significantly shorter than either my 8.5" .300 BLK with suppressor, or my 10.5" 5.56 AR. Plus, mag and ammo commonality is a nice benefit. I love my PCC's and feel that they definitely have a place in my gun closet.
I wish more people would use it in USPSA PCC, I would love to see how it faired versus the modern PCCs. Unfortunately I think cost and aftermarket support prevent that from happening.schmellba99 said:
The MP5 is still the single best 9mm carbine ever designed IMO.
gibberish said:I wish more people would use it in USPSA PCC, I would love to see how it faired versus the modern PCCs. Unfortunately I think cost and aftermarket support prevent that from happening.schmellba99 said:
The MP5 is still the single best 9mm carbine ever designed IMO.
I don't know of a lot of people who are confident to take shots on a man-sized target at 100 yards with a pistol, and I would still bet any of them are more comfortable doing so with a rifle...especially in a real world application.BenderRodriguez said:maverick2076 said:
I don't completely agree. You can more reliably reach out to those 25-100 yard shots with a PCC than you could with a pistol, while still keeping a shorter overall length than any rifle caliber carbine, especially if you suppress it. My AR-9 SBR has a 4" barrel and still easily makes hits on a 6" circle at 100 yards. Even with my form 1 suppressor, it is still significantly shorter than either my 8.5" .300 BLK with suppressor, or my 10.5" 5.56 AR. Plus, mag and ammo commonality is a nice benefit. I love my PCC's and feel that they definitely have a place in my gun closet.
Your thought process is exactly why I got my MP5.
It is smaller than any of my rifles. But a short AR with a law folder is almost as small as an MP5/Scorpion, and brings a lot more punch to the party. I can reliably make hits on a B27 target at 100 yards with my usual carry, my G22 with a red dot.
I'm far more likely to have it on me than be carrying around my MP5 if I needed to make a long shot, and if I had time to retrieve something other than my carry pistol I'd prefer an AR over a pistol caliber carbine.
I totally get why you think it has a niche, and I agree it does fill a gap that neither a pistol or rifle can...I'm just not sure how much of a gap it really is, if that makes sense.
maverick2076 said:
I don't know of a lot of people who are confident to take shots on a man-sized target at 100 yards with a pistol, and I would still bet any of them are more comfortable doing so with a rifle...especially in a real world application.
Yeah, the MP5 has always been high on the cost and short on aftermarket parts. Biggest factor is that HK was so stingy with them in the civilian world, and most of the clones were just not well made (Special Weapons/Cohaire Arms - seems like there was another, Ohio Ordinance or something along those lines). Mine is a SW, older model. Generally it is a good gun, but it does have out of spec parts on it - I can't put a collapsible stock on it, found that out the expensive way. Just the nature of the beast with those guns.gibberish said:I wish more people would use it in USPSA PCC, I would love to see how it faired versus the modern PCCs. Unfortunately I think cost and aftermarket support prevent that from happening.schmellba99 said:
The MP5 is still the single best 9mm carbine ever designed IMO.
I like that. I'd buy another just to do that and put it alongside my ATI version.rllguitar said:
The hipoint carbine's are kinda ugly... until you do this
