March 27, 1836, was Palm Sunday. One week earlier Fannin surrendered his command of about 400 men to the Mexican army with the understanding that they would be treated humanely as prisoners of war. However, on that Palm Sunday morning those men were marched out of La Bahia at Goliad and brutally executed. Their bodies were left to the coyotes and buzzards. All good Texans remember The Alamo but Goliad often gets forgotten. Remember Goliad!

From Captain Hortons mounted Ranger, captured and then executed at Goliad: Elias Robert Yeamans; Erastus Yeamans

Burn in hell Santa Anna

This time of year I always wonder what percentage of current Texans consider themselves Texan first similar to those back then who were Texians before Mexicans.

Edit: this is not a secession derail, rather just a musing as to how attitudes have changed. I would guess that up to wwi it was Texan first and it changed as the country came together at that point.

Unfortunately, I must agree with you that a lot of Texans only remember the Alamo in terms of what they recall about Texas history. Real Texans will remember the "Battle of Gonzales", as well as the Alamo, the Goliad massacre and "The Battle of San Jacinto".

Thanks for posting.

I have always wondered if the reason so many don't know of Goliad is because of how evil it really was. I don't think a lot of people want to imagine or talk about or remember the horror committed on such a holy day. I might be over thinking it, though.

Ag In Ok said:

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Burn in hell Santa Anna

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So much this.

zarbas77 said:

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Unfortunately, I must agree with you that a lot of Texans only remember the Alamo in terms of what they recall about Texas history. Real Texans will remember the "Battle of Gonzales", as well as the Alamo, the Goliad massacre and "The Battle of San Jacinto".

Thanks for posting.

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X 1000

BCO07 said:

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This time of year I always wonder what percentage of current Texans consider themselves Texan first similar to those back then who were Texians before Mexicans.

Edit: this is not a secession derail, rather just a musing as to how attitudes have changed. I would guess that up to wwi it was Texan first and it changed as the country came together at that point.

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I sure as hell do.

HumbleAg04 said:

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zarbas77 said:

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Unfortunately, I must agree with you that a lot of Texans only remember the Alamo in terms of what they recall about Texas history. Real Texans will remember the "Battle of Gonzales", as well as the Alamo, the Goliad massacre and "The Battle of San Jacinto".

Thanks for posting.

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Lets be honest. San Jacinto was also a massacre and a lot of the rage from Goliad was unleashed and repaid. We call it a Battle because we won the war there but it was a massacre.

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Nope. The Texians did not perform, and Sam Houston did not order, a mass execution of captive POWs. Please do not cheapen the travesty of Goliad by equating the two.

Amen brother.

Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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HumbleAg04 said:

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zarbas77 said:

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Unfortunately, I must agree with you that a lot of Texans only remember the Alamo in terms of what they recall about Texas history. Real Texans will remember the "Battle of Gonzales", as well as the Alamo, the Goliad massacre and "The Battle of San Jacinto".

Thanks for posting.

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Lets be honest. San Jacinto was also a massacre and a lot of the rage from Goliad was unleashed and repaid. We call it a Battle because we won the war there but it was a massacre.

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Nope. The Texians did not perform, and Sam Houston did not order, a mass execution of captive POWs. Please do not cheapen the travesty of Goliad by equating the two.

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Absolutely correct. You cannot conflate the Battle of Goliad with the Battle of San Jacinto by any measure!

Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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HumbleAg04 said:

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zarbas77 said:

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Unfortunately, I must agree with you that a lot of Texans only remember the Alamo in terms of what they recall about Texas history. Real Texans will remember the "Battle of Gonzales", as well as the Alamo, the Goliad massacre and "The Battle of San Jacinto".

Thanks for posting.

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Lets be honest. San Jacinto was also a massacre and a lot of the rage from Goliad was unleashed and repaid. We call it a Battle because we won the war there but it was a massacre.

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Nope. The Texians did not perform, and Sam Houston did not order, a mass execution of captive POWs. Please do not cheapen the travesty of Goliad by equating the two.

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Do not confuse a " reckoning" or even a battle fueled blood lust with the cold calculated crimes of the mexicans.

Add to that the men of Amon King who were executed at Refugio by Urrea before the Goliad massacre.

Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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HumbleAg04 said:

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zarbas77 said:

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Unfortunately, I must agree with you that a lot of Texans only remember the Alamo in terms of what they recall about Texas history. Real Texans will remember the "Battle of Gonzales", as well as the Alamo, the Goliad massacre and "The Battle of San Jacinto".

Thanks for posting.

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Lets be honest. San Jacinto was also a massacre and a lot of the rage from Goliad was unleashed and repaid. We call it a Battle because we won the war there but it was a massacre.

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Nope. The Texians did not perform, and Sam Houston did not order, a mass execution of captive POWs. Please do not cheapen the travesty of Goliad by equating the two.

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A massacre is the killing of unarmed defenseless people. The Mexicans were neither. Sam Houston did not even hang Santa Anna, and let him return to Mexico. As a result, the ******* returned, attacked San Antonio, and took prisoners; subsequently executing many (black bean).

There was a reenactment of this battle and subsequent massacre this past weekend at Presidio La Bahia in Goliad. We took the kids down and the reenactors did a great job.

BCO07 said:

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This time of year I always wonder what percentage of current Texans consider themselves Texan first similar to those back then who were Texians before Mexicans.

Edit: this is not a secession derail, rather just a musing as to how attitudes have changed. I would guess that up to wwi it was Texan first and it changed as the country came together at that point.

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more and more every day.

BCO07 said:

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This time of year I always wonder what percentage of current Texans consider themselves Texan first similar to those back then who were Texians before Mexicans.

Edit: this is not a secession derail, rather just a musing as to how attitudes have changed. I would guess that up to wwi it was Texan first and it changed as the country came together at that point.

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As a complete xenophobic Texan I am and always will be for TEXAS first! ALWAYS!!!!!!!

Class of '68. Texan first and always.

I actually think I am seeing, or maybe I just want to see, a shift back to Texans first. I agree that after the great wars, maybe it became "Americans" first. It had to be a great feeling to be an American. To be a citizen of the greatest nation on earth. A citizen of a nation that helped win 2 world wars and put a man on the moon. But with everything going on in the world these days with ISIS, Al-Qaeda and our PC society, some are getting tired of this BS and our seemingly lackadaisical attitude about things. Some remember the history of Texas and remember and salute those who gave everything for this great republic (now our state). So, maybe Texans first will become the new norm. I hope so since we live in the greatest state in this nation.

As has been said many times before. Show anyone from any country, an outline of the state of Texas and they can tell you that it is Texas. And even though they may have never been here, they can tell you about Texas. Whether it is the Alamo, cowboys, hats, horses or whatever, they know something about this great state. Doesn't work for Rhode Island.

If that ain't something to be proud of, then nothing is.

When travelling abroad, always say you're from Texas. They know you're an American already.

60% of the time, it works every time.

Texan first. Ancestors at the Alamo and San Jacinto, too.

I was born in Arkansas, but have always been intrigued by Texas history. Naturally I left Arkansas as fast as I could. I consider myself a Texas first guy.

SWCBonfire said:

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When travelling abroad, always say you're from Texas. They know you're an American already.

60% of the time, it works every time.

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"Never ask a man if he's from Texas. If he is, he'll tell you. If he isn't, don't embarrass him."

zarbas77 said:

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Unfortunately, I must agree with you that a lot of Texans only remember the Alamo in terms of what they recall about Texas history. Real Texans will remember the "Battle of Gonzales", as well as the Alamo, the Goliad massacre and "The Battle of San Jacinto".

Thanks for posting.

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Don't forget the one that started it all - Quintana

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Nice bump.

Remember Goliad!

GottaRide said:

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I have always wondered if the reason so many don't know of Goliad is because of how evil it really was. I don't think a lot of people want to imagine or talk about or remember the horror committed on such a holy day. I might be over thinking it, though.

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They don't remember it because fighting to the death is much more memorable. . .