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FYI, SanAntonioAg1 is a sip troll.
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FYI, SanAntonioAg1 is a sip troll.
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The video clearly shows Bandidos executing Cossacks and Cossacks executing Bandidos, some at point-blank range," Jarrett said. "The facts and circumstances of this case are so extraordinary and so different from anything we have ever dealt with, we believe adequate bonds need to be in place to ensure the safety of this community."
quote:Actually, adequate bonds are required in every case to ensure the safety of the community. That is not the problem. The problem is that most of the bonds are excessive.
From the article techno posted:
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The video clearly shows Bandidos executing Cossacks and Cossacks executing Bandidos, some at point-blank range," Jarrett said. "The facts and circumstances of this case are so extraordinary and so different from anything we have ever dealt with, we believe adequate bonds need to be in place to ensure the safety of this community."
What possible legitimate reason is there for refusing to release this video to the public?
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The latest on bail reductions at Waco:
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/prosecutor-details-executions-at-twin-peaks-during-hearing/article_53ece56c-d50d-547b-bcc0-dfbef1024746.html
So this time the prosecutor indicated strong video evidence of the shootout exists. Bail is being reduced considerably for those apparently not involved much, and being reduced to a quarter million for those they think were involved somehow.
Looks like things are slowly working themselves out.
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I would think a biker gang would almost certainly count as a "gang" so far as carrying in the car in Texas goes. Anybody know of a case where this has occurred, where a biker carrying otherwise legally was charged with having an illegal weapon because of his affiliation?
If they have any 1%, I am pretty sure they qualify as a gang.
8T2 would be the best to know if anyone had been charged.
quote:It seems like based on news accounts those they are more certain of perhaps doing some shooting are getting hit with reduced bail that is still fairly hefty. But that's just an observation.quote:
The latest on bail reductions at Waco:
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/prosecutor-details-executions-at-twin-peaks-during-hearing/article_53ece56c-d50d-547b-bcc0-dfbef1024746.html
So this time the prosecutor indicated strong video evidence of the shootout exists. Bail is being reduced considerably for those apparently not involved much, and being reduced to a quarter million for those they think were involved somehow.
Looks like things are slowly working themselves out.
What's the difference between being involved and not being involed much? Does "not being involved much" mean that they were never within 1/4 mile of the shooting and "not being involved" mean that they were at least 100 miles from the shooting?
quote:As Techno and I discussed outside the Outdoors board,quote:It seems like based on news accounts those they are more certain of perhaps doing some shooting are getting hit with reduced bail that is still fairly hefty. But that's just an observation.quote:
The latest on bail reductions at Waco:
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/prosecutor-details-executions-at-twin-peaks-during-hearing/article_53ece56c-d50d-547b-bcc0-dfbef1024746.html
So this time the prosecutor indicated strong video evidence of the shootout exists. Bail is being reduced considerably for those apparently not involved much, and being reduced to a quarter million for those they think were involved somehow.
Looks like things are slowly working themselves out.
What's the difference between being involved and not being involed much? Does "not being involved much" mean that they were never within 1/4 mile of the shooting and "not being involved" mean that they were at least 100 miles from the shooting?
quote:quote:As Techno and I discussed outside the Outdoors board,quote:It seems like based on news accounts those they are more certain of perhaps doing some shooting are getting hit with reduced bail that is still fairly hefty. But that's just an observation.quote:
The latest on bail reductions at Waco:
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/prosecutor-details-executions-at-twin-peaks-during-hearing/article_53ece56c-d50d-547b-bcc0-dfbef1024746.html
So this time the prosecutor indicated strong video evidence of the shootout exists. Bail is being reduced considerably for those apparently not involved much, and being reduced to a quarter million for those they think were involved somehow.
Looks like things are slowly working themselves out.
What's the difference between being involved and not being involed much? Does "not being involved much" mean that they were never within 1/4 mile of the shooting and "not being involved" mean that they were at least 100 miles from the shooting?
It looks like bond is being reduced as such:
Cossacks: $250k
Support groups (Scimitars): $100k
Everyone Else: $25k
Don't know if any Bandidos have made bail other than the guy that somehow made the 1MM bail.
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That, coupled with some/many who should never have been arrested in the first place. But that issue has nothing to do with sharing information with the public that the public has both a right and a need to know (in order to maintain the public's confidence).
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Im not defending any side here since I don't know the facts. It seems like WPD may have screwed up. But we don't have a "right" to see the video until it's made public. Your curiosity isn't a right.
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That, coupled with some/many who should never have been arrested in the first place. But that issue has nothing to do with sharing information with the public that the public has both a right and a need to know (in order to maintain the public's confidence).
Im not defending any side here since I don't know the facts. It seems like WPD may have screwed up. But we don't have a "right" to see the video until it's made public. Your curiosity isn't a right.
But the question is when and how is it made public.
We have open records laws for a reason that allow the public to review the actions of public officials acting on out behalf. Those officers and troopers at that restaurant that day were there at our behest in our service. Accordingly their actions are subject to public review.
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Condescension duly noted. What does my "curiosity" have to do with my post?
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So we are to wait 18 to 36 months before reviewing the police action?
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If there's no trial then things should be released.
So when do we determine that there isn't a trial and documents should be released? There is no statute of limitations on murder so there is never a date at which we will say there will not be a trial.
You are the one who came up with this standard of waiting until trial so you need to explain how it works.
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If there's no trial then things should be released. I'm not at all saying things should never be released. But what precedent do you want to set? With all the body cameras out these days, if an officer interviews a rape victim and then a suspect on the body camera, do you want both interviews made public prior to a trial? Where is the line?
That is a good question and if it was remotely connected to the case at hand I would be inclined to have that discussion. However it is not so let's deal with the case at hand and the information not being released.
quote:More condescension and projection. You're attributing an attitude to me that I neither have nor have I implied as much on this thread.quote:
Condescension duly noted. What does my "curiosity" have to do with my post?
I'm sorta surprised with as much as you talk about "process", our Constitution, and what you feel our legal system should be, that you'd prefer having video and other evidence rushed out for public consumption prior to a jury even being seated.
If you were accused of a crime or involved in an incident, would you want the evidence bantered around in the court of public opinion prior to your trial even getting started?
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Condescension duly noted. What does my "curiosity" have to do with my post?
I'm sorta surprised with as much as you talk about "process", our Constitution, and what you feel our legal system should be, that you'd prefer having video and other evidence rushed out for public consumption prior to a jury even being seated.
If you were accused of a crime or involved in an incident, would you want the evidence bantered around in the court of public opinion prior to your trial even getting started?
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Condescension duly noted. What does my "curiosity" have to do with my post?
I'm sorta surprised with as much as you talk about "process", our Constitution, and what you feel our legal system should be, that you'd prefer having video and other evidence rushed out for public consumption prior to a jury even being seated.
If you were accused of a crime or involved in an incident, would you want the evidence bantered around in the court of public opinion prior to your trial even getting started?
If I was having dinner at the restaurant next door in a Harley shirt, and currently sitting in jail going on three weeks on a 1 million dollar bond, then I would want every video released yesterday.
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Condescension duly noted. What does my "curiosity" have to do with my post?