So was Belichick riding Brady's coattail all these years? I know Belichick has the skins but would he if he didn't have Brady? Seems Brady is able to thrive w/o the grumpy one.
Ag_07 said:
I don't know about all that
He's worked some kind of magic when Brady was injured. Matt Cassel won them a lot of games and even Jacoby Brissett. IIRC they didn't miss a beat when Brady was suspended for deflate gate.
I'm going with they're both GOATS.
Sparkie said:Ag_07 said:
I don't know about all that
He's worked some kind of magic when Brady was injured. Matt Cassel won them a lot of games and even Jacoby Brissett. IIRC they didn't miss a beat when Brady was suspended for deflate gate.
I'm going with they're both GOATS.
Matt playing well is a misconception. Matt won 60% on the number of games Brady did the previous year. I wouldn't call a 40% drop off working magic.
This just isn't accurate. The last SB Brady won they had Phillip Dorsett, Chris Hogan, Cordarelle Patterson, and Gronk. That year they won largely because of how dominant their defense was...they only gave up 3 points in the Super Bowl.MookieBlaylock said:
Look at their current roster
Brady won.a super bowl with that sorry lot of rbs and Wrs
Tom took a 6 and 10 team and won a super bowl
Brady is the Patriots dynasty
In NE, the first losing season was in his first year as a head coach and his second was this past year with a Cam Newton who is clearly no longer capable of being a starting quarterback in the league anymore. Using his time in Cleveland to measure him is odd to me considering since his time there (his last year in CLE was in 1995) the franchise has had exactly 3 seasons that ended in winning records and one of those years they didn't even make the playoffs.DannyDuberstein said:
2 winning seasons without Brady. Out of 8. And that can't all be blamed on Cleveland. 1 for 3 in NE. 1 for 5 in Cle. He's a GOAT level defensive coach but Brady is the overall GOAT that made the engine go
One has won a title without the other, the other hasn't. The choice is basically academic until Belichick proves otherwise
No, I know you weren't making the "bum" argument, but it looks like some posters are making such assertions, whether or not they are in jest idkDannyDuberstein said:
The new Cle franchise has been a joke. The one Belichick coached was old one that had a lot of success with Schottenheimer but couldn't get past Denver in the championship game. It was bad in 1990 but had 5 straight winning seasons averaging 10 wins a year with 2 championship game appearances prior to that. Schottenheimer was better than Belichick there. Much better.
Your "bum" comment is a total strawman. That was certainly not my statement multiple times
Bregxit said:Sparkie said:Ag_07 said:
I don't know about all that
He's worked some kind of magic when Brady was injured. Matt Cassel won them a lot of games and even Jacoby Brissett. IIRC they didn't miss a beat when Brady was suspended for deflate gate.
I'm going with they're both GOATS.
Matt playing well is a misconception. Matt won 60% on the number of games Brady did the previous year. I wouldn't call a 40% drop off working magic.
Is this a troll?
How many seasons had Brady played without Bill?DannyDuberstein said:
2 winning seasons without Brady. Out of 8. And that can't all be blamed on Cleveland. 1 for 3 in NE. 1 for 5 in Cle. He's a GOAT level defensive coach but Brady is the overall GOAT that made the engine go
One has won a title without the other, the other hasn't. The choice is basically academic until Belichick proves otherwise
I agree. I think they are a rare combination. Right now, Brady is looking pretty good though. I don't think you can find two men more dedicated to their professions.Bunk Moreland said:
Both are GOATS.
Bill doesn't have the ability to pick a new team with a much better roster to hop over to and then also add more pieces to and make a run.