Macarthur said:

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This article confirms what many thought.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/05/30/former-nfl-executive-colin-kaepernick-protests-george-floyd

There's lots of angles on this but the question I would like to ask is if there is anyone on this board that has changed their mind on Kaepernick? And more specific to the point, I and many others, felt that his absence from the league had nothing to do with his ability and it was a business decision by the league.

I remember folks on here taking the position that is was 100% based on the fact that he sucked as a player. Is there anyone willing to admit they were wrong about that?

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That's one executive's opinion. I know for a fact from a friend of mine who works at ESPN on the NFL production team the bigger issue was teams considered signing him but his asking price was seven figures and no team was having it.

This idea he's "bad for business" is insane. I'm not a Kaepernick fan but hundreds of players have kneeled and hundreds of players have spoken out against police violence. The majority of which are still in the league. Kaepernick made it out that he was blackballed by the league, when he in fact blackballed himself.

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Lockhart ended his column by calling for change and suggesting the Vikings, who are located in the center of the controversy in Minnesotaoffer Kaepernick a contract.

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Lol. All you really need to know about how dumb the article is.

TexAgs1992 said:

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Macarthur said:

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This article confirms what many thought.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/05/30/former-nfl-executive-colin-kaepernick-protests-george-floyd

There's lots of angles on this but the question I would like to ask is if there is anyone on this board that has changed their mind on Kaepernick? And more specific to the point, I and many others, felt that his absence from the league had nothing to do with his ability and it was a business decision by the league.

I remember folks on here taking the position that is was 100% based on the fact that he sucked as a player. Is there anyone willing to admit they were wrong about that?

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That's one executive's opinion. I know for a fact from a friend of mine who works at ESPN on the NFL production team the bigger issue was teams considered signing him but his asking price was seven figures and no team was having it.

This idea he's "bad for business" is insane. I'm not a Kaepernick fan but hundreds of players have kneeled and hundreds of players have spoken out against police violence. The majority of which are still in the league. Kaepernick made it out that he was blackballed by the league, when he in fact blackballed himself.

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Sure. Your secret insider friend at ESPN told you. That's also why the NFL settled the collusion suit.

His absence from the league was his choice.

IIRC He turned down multiple offers and no showed to a work out.

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but his asking price was seven figures and no team was having it.

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7 figures?? Wow.


(Broncos offed $7mm over 2 years. May want to get anywhere inside source)


Cost + ability + hassle factor is done for every player (and really every job). The combination didn't warrant anyone signing him

Just what we need. More race baiting.

Macarthur said:

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I'm not surprised. I guess I got my answer. Lol.

The old standard of the article is crap...well, that executive doesn't really know what he's talking about.

It is a fact that he was a better QB than many guys on rosters. I also will look for it but I think I read that the crap about him turning down offers has been debunked.

I didn't care for what he did, at the time, but he was right. His protest had nothing to do with the anthem and was even suggested by a vet that he consulted. If you are even a little bit willing to look at this w fresh eyes, you are part of the problem.

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We can't all be as enlightened as you.

It's a fact Kaepernick turned down offers to play. He was not worth what he wanted based on his ability & accompanying headache. Clinton crony Joe Lockhart article doesn't really dispute that being the case.

If Kaepernick was as good as Matt Ryan etc in 2016, More teams would have tolerated him.

Dez Bryant was better then lots of guys on rosters and he couldn't get a job. Why?

if I recall correctly, he'd been benched before his social justice movement.

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The 49ers punted on their season, and on Kaepernick's future with the team, by making that decision. It was just in June of 2014 that Kaepernick signed a contract extension through 2020, worth a possible $114 million. The front office hedged its bets, though, essentially making Kaepernick's contract a year-to-year proposition: If he is on the roster on April 1 next year, his entire 2016 base salary of $11.9 million becomes guaranteed; the same goes for April 1, 2017, when $14.5 million comes due.

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But Kaepernick's play has slid in concert with the 49ers' implosion, and the on-field issues have been just a part of the concern. FOX's Jay Glazer reported on his network's pregame show a week back that Kaepernick is "on an island inside that locker room." CBS's Jason La Canfora added on, tweeting Monday that newly traded tight end Vernon Davis "was among those sick of Kap walking around team headquarters with headphones on all day," all but confirming multiple reports of Kaepernick's reclusive approach to his teammates.

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This was all pre-kneeling. The guy's run as a starter had come to an end and he was unwilling to accept a contract equal to a high-end back up.

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I missed your proof that he refused backup money. Who knew it was so simple? Weird the NFL chose to settle the lawsuit. That seems easily provable and total vindication.

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So settling something is an admission of guilt? I mean no one ever settles things because it was deemed easier, and less costly, than continuing to fight it?

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On Thursday, reporters asked Broncos GM John Elway if the team would consider signing Colin Kaepernick to fill the backup job. Elway said they wouldn't because the team previously offered Kaepernick a contract and he turned it down.

"Colin had his chance to be here," Elway said. "We offered him a contract. He didn't take it."

Elway seemed to be referring to negotiations that took place between the Broncos and Kaepernick in 2016. Kaepernick, then with the San Francisco 49ers, asked for permission to explore trades with other teams.

According to reports at the time, the Broncos were offering Kaepernick a deal with $7 million in base salary. That year he was slated to earn $11.9 million in base salary from the 49ers. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported at the time that the Broncos wanted the 49ers to make up the additional $4.9 million and they would not. Kaepernick refused to give up the remaining $4.9 million. The talks eventually fell apart.

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expresswrittenconsent said:

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TexAgs1992 said:

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Macarthur said:

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This article confirms what many thought.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/05/30/former-nfl-executive-colin-kaepernick-protests-george-floyd

There's lots of angles on this but the question I would like to ask is if there is anyone on this board that has changed their mind on Kaepernick? And more specific to the point, I and many others, felt that his absence from the league had nothing to do with his ability and it was a business decision by the league.

I remember folks on here taking the position that is was 100% based on the fact that he sucked as a player. Is there anyone willing to admit they were wrong about that?

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That's one executive's opinion. I know for a fact from a friend of mine who works at ESPN on the NFL production team the bigger issue was teams considered signing him but his asking price was seven figures and no team was having it.

This idea he's "bad for business" is insane. I'm not a Kaepernick fan but hundreds of players have kneeled and hundreds of players have spoken out against police violence. The majority of which are still in the league. Kaepernick made it out that he was blackballed by the league, when he in fact blackballed himself.

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Sure. Your secret insider friend at ESPN told you. That's also why the NFL settled the collusion suit.

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I specifically stated his position. The NFL settled the collusion suit to not waste their time in court. A settlement is pennies for a multi-billion dollar entity like the NFL. No need to be condescending.

Nfl owners don't care how controversial you are if you can help them win a super bowl, bob and cal mcnair not included. I used to be a sportswriter and still do freelance sportswriting now
I have asked many players and a few coaches about this very issue

If you can contribute to a team, someone will sign you. Ray lewis either murdered someone or saw someone else murder him and the ravens had no problem with him. Michael vick went to prison for a heinous crime and the eagles couldnt wait to sign him. Kaepernick even before the kneeling was vastly more interested in his branding then improving as a football player. Once defenses knew his limitations, he plateaued, just like vince young. If you arent interested in working hard every day to improve, you get benched. Then you get cut. And if you throw in some behavior that is frowned upon by the masses - Kaepernick, Manziel - you make the decision that much easier.

Explain the part where he reps the swoosh company that employs foreign child labor under abhorrent working conditions, please.

I'll hang up and listen.

Can OP just directly call us all racists, so we can wrap this up?

Don't think so. Roster spots are too valuable to waste on a mascot.

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Can OP just directly call us all racists, so we can wrap this up?

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LOL ,so true that's what he is angling for.

Question for the OP - if he was blackballed solely because of racism/the protest why have other players like Eric Reid and Kenny Stills, who knelt multiple times and made their viewpoints very clear, been able to get signed?

Yeah, he's a dummy for not acknowledging how many totally nancy-ass nutjobs looking to take offense at absolutely anything are out there now. He's tone deaf for not realizing that if you are going to say anything short of self-flagellation, then you need to just keep your mouth shut.

Bingo Bango Bongo said:

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Yeah, he's a dummy for not acknowledging how many totally nancy-ass nutjobs looking to take offense at absolutely anything are out there now. He's tone deaf for not realizing that if you are going to say anything short of self-flagellation, then you need to just keep your mouth shut.

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You consider the NFL players that have disagreed with him as 'nancy-ass'?

I find this incredibly ironic that the right loves to throw around the snowflake moniker yet they are the one's offended at the drop of a hat.

This is a great thread that addresses this specific issue:

I think it's a mob looking for any excuse to be offended. Absolutely I do. I don't need them to apologize to me though.

As far as your Wendell Pierce quote goes, Brees is actually trying to extend the respect to Pierce's father that he didn't get back then. But hey, we live in a world where the message below is now offensive. Awesome

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"I believe we should all stand for the national anthem and respect our country and all those who sacrificed so much for our freedoms," Brees said via text message. "That includes all those who marched for women's suffrage in the 1920s and all those who marched in the civil rights movements and continue to march for racial equality. All of us ... EVERYONE ... represent that flag. Same way I respect all the citizens of our country ... no matter their race, color, religion.

"And I would ask anyone who has a problem with what I said to look at the way I live my life. Do I come across as someone who is not doing my absolute best to make this world a better place, to bring justice and equality to others, and hope & opportunity to those who don't have it? That's what I meant by actions speak louder than words. ... My ACTIONS speak for themselves."

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