Why does nobody copy Belichick's phylosphy?

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Agnzona
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He doesn't have a style, he doesn't do "what we do" he actually game planes each game uniquely to his opponents on both sides of the ball.

No other coach in the NFL does that.
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So much win in this thread title.
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Sine poena nulla lex.
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Football coaches are not that smart and their players are usually even dumber.

Belichick is smart and signs (relatively) smart players and coaches.
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The NFL is filled with the carcasses of ex-Pats assistants who failed as head coaches. Belichick himself failed in Cleveland. Tom Brady is the reason why New England has been so successful.
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To be fair, Belichick has a unique defensive mind. Hes been elite for 40 years. The difference for the Pats is they have Brady to run the offense.
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WWC2001 said:

The NFL is filled with the carcasses of ex-Pats assistants who failed as head coaches. Belichick himself failed in Cleveland. Tom Brady is the reason why New England has been so successful.
Tom Brady isn't why they won the game today
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Roger Goodell said:

If it were that easy it would have already been done, dumb@ssssssss


Flagged enjoy your ban
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His philosophy changes as needed. There's nothing to copy other than being a guy that knows how to find what his team does well and forcing the other into what it doesn't.

He's been finding ways to break down great offenses in the playoffs for decades. Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, Kurt Warner, etc.
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WWC2001 said:

The NFL is filled with the carcasses of ex-Pats assistants who failed as head coaches. Belichick himself failed in Cleveland. Tom Brady is the reason why New England has been so successful.

Failed? In 94 Browns went 11-5 & beat the Patriots in the playoffs.
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With the exception of Brady, the Pats don't get emotionally tied to players. They get rid of players near the point they start to go downhill. Don't get tied to bad contracts. They are able to get vets on their last legs from other teams on the cheap who have something to prove like Corey Dillon, lagarret Blount, aqib talib and will cut them if they don't perform. Brady does not have to be the highest paid in the game because his wife is worth more than him. Who is the second best player on the Pats in the Brady years. Moss maybe but they move guys so fast and replace them with younger, cheaper guys or veterans working on last chance contracts.
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Gronk is a first ballot hall of famer.
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Bobby Petrino`s Neckbrace said:

Gronk is a first ballot hall of famer.
And they will get rid of him if he doesn't retire before next year.
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Gronk is hardly Corey Dillon. He'll be a Pat next year if he wants to be.
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Jimbo should head to Foxboro and steal Belichick's playbooks.
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Belichick was masterful again tonight.

why couldn't other coaches understand to attack the Rams running game by penetrating up field? and keeping Goff in the pocket?
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Have you not watched the Bill O'brien coached Texans?!
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Belichick is masterful as a coach not because his game plans are brilliant, but because he ensures that his teams are about winning first and themselves second. If any person doesn't have that mentality, he dumps them.

In that way, he's incredibly fortunate to have had Brady for 2 decades... Brady is the biggest name in the NFL during that entire timeline... and he gives 2 ****s if he's the focal point of the offense or if he'd have to hand the ball off the entire game so long as they win. That's a huge deal to why BB has been able to do basically whatever is best suited to win for as long he has now.
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His game-planning in the playoffs as a defensive coach is absolutely brilliant though, going back to his DC days. Held Joe Montana's Niners to 3 points in consecutive seasons in the playoffs. Then a few years later ends the Niners chance at a 3peat by holding them to 13. Then what he did to the Bills in 91 and eventually the Greatest Show on Turf as HC was just remarkable.

I wasn't necessarily expecting the Rams to be held to 3 last night, but giving Bill Belichick 2 weeks to prep for a young QB whose security blanket is out for the year, I was expecting a pretty solid shutdown.
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Heard on the radio today that in the 4th quarter they ran formations and plays they didn't do all year and that they didn't practice this week. What other coach in the NFL does that? They are all too predictable and too easy to know their tendencies.
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WWC2001 said:

The NFL is filled with the carcasses of ex-Pats assistants who failed as head coaches. Belichick himself failed in Cleveland. Tom Brady is the reason why New England has been so successful.
False. Brady owes all of his success to Belichick because 100% of the Patriots success is due to Belichick being an unparalleled coach. Period.
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Belichik has a great defensive mind and having that will always keep you in the hunt for titles.

Add to that the the organization knows when to move on from players, fosters a culture of excellence, and has a QB that plays with a contract friendly to the cap and you get the Patriots.
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I wasn't necessarily expecting the Rams to be held to 3 last night, but giving Bill Belichick 2 weeks to prep for a young QB whose security blanket is out for the year, I was expecting a pretty solid shutdown.

There were plays there for the Rams too. Could be a 14 point swing if Cooks catches the ball that hit his hands or McCourty doesn't make that ridiculous TD deny on a man that wasn't his.
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False. Brady owes all of his success to Belichick because 100% of the Patriots success is due to Belichick being an unparalleled coach. Period.

Stop it. The Pats are watching the SB from home if not for Brady being Brady.

They gave up 31 points in 20 minutes of game time.
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DannyDuberstein said:

His game-planning in the playoffs as a defensive coach is absolutely brilliant though, going back to his DC days. Held Joe Montana's Niners to 3 points in consecutive seasons in the playoffs. Then a few years later ends the Niners chance at a 3peat by holding them to 13. Then what he did to the Bills in 91 and eventually the Greatest Show on Turf as HC was just remarkable.

I wasn't necessarily expecting the Rams to be held to 3 last night, but giving Bill Belichick 2 weeks to prep for a young QB whose security blanket is out for the year, I was expecting a pretty solid shutdown.


Not disagreeing... I think people really underplay though how difficult it is to game plan around players with severe egos even if they are really really good at what they do. That's why I contend his super power and what makes him stand out is how he gets the team to buy in so hard to whatever they decide to do in a given week vs. his scheming ability.
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The Patriots success has been the perfect storm of Brady (GREAT QB), Belichick (GREAT coach and de facto GM), and the AFC East (steaming pile).

Brady and Belichick are greatness, there's no denying that. But the Patriots also have the benefit of 6 games against awful competition every year, which helps get them first round byes and home field advantage (they're very average on the road in the playoffs). At home, they're tough to beat (true for most home playoff teams). And it certainly helps to have a QB that can pick apart a defense as well as Brady can.
Once they get to the Super Bowl, Belichick has two weeks to game plan and is a master of his craft.

Take Brady out of the equation = Belichick doesn't have as much success. Take Belichick out of the equation = Brady doesn't have as much success. Take them both and put them into a consistently competitive division = they don't get to 9 Super Bowls and certainly don't win 6.

Other teams can't replicate this because you need a great QB, a great coach, a great GM, and a weak division.

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Belichick's dad wrote the book on scouting opponents (literally) and had young Bill watching hours of film when he was still a kid.

That's a head start that can't be matched really.

Go watch the ESPN 30 for 30 about "The Two Bills"...Parcells and Belichick.

You know how people say McVay is some young wunderkind genius? Well that was Belichick 30 years ago.

There's so much more to it than just trying to mimic what the Patriots do.
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I really want Brady to hurry up and retire so Bill can show everyone he can do the same with the next guy in line, and he will as long as he doesn't walk out the door when Brady does.
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That's why I contend his super power and what makes him stand out is how he gets the team to buy in so hard to whatever they decide to do in a given week vs. his scheming ability.

I think we need to admit that this genius isn't necessarily curbing egos...it's building his team around captains/former captains/"his guys" such that he can sprinkle in some personalities and they fall in line. It's not an accident that he gets his teams to buy in so hard. He's intentionally built his team that way.

All that being said, it's still football and he's still minute bounces of the ball, coin flip, and random acts of kicker from not having near the success he's had.
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redag06 said:

I really want Brady to hurry up and retire so Bill can show everyone he can do the same with the next guy in line, and he will as long as he doesn't walk out the door when Brady does.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2008.htm

He pretty much has. One season, but that season got Matt Cassel paid.
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just about every coach game plans each week differently based on opponent.

they just can't do it as good as Belichick does.

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Yes I know, and he also made Jacoby Brissett look like an all pro during Brady's suspension.

He is a hell of a coach, but has an awful coaching tree!
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Agnzona said:

he actually game planes each game uniquely to his opponents on both sides of the ball.

No other coach in the NFL does that.
You really think no other coaches make a game plan for each team they play?
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