As a NASCAR fan, where the pushing of the rules is a way of life, I more subscribe to the idea that you can push the limits, and that's fine...but if you get caught, then expect a severe penalty and own the **** up to it.

Once a cheater, always a cheater. Period.

Brady is great, but he isn't the GOAT. He and his coach literally got caught cheating on multiple occasions. AND Josh McDaniels got caught cheating when he was Denver head coach AFTER spygate.

I'm curious why people still believe the balls were deflated.
Science has PROVEN that the amount of deflation was due to the atmospheric conditions. You can speculate about the texts and the gifting of apparel (many players give employees apparel), but that doesn't change the fact that the balls weren't artificially deflated.

Really, it's that simple. You could even see that Brady's stats are better since the IND 1st half (2nd half, SB 49, past two seasons). To me it's mind blowing that anyone with a basic sense of logic thinks the balls were deflated.

ALOT of butt hurt in here.

My bad. I forgot you are smarter than these lowly PhDs.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/10/04/tom-brady-deflategate-ideal-gas-law

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5745fb9ce4b0dacf7ad3c55d

https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/201503/fumbles.cfm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/news/1-year-after-deflate-gate-ballooned--science-shows-shame-of-it-all-073316233.html?client=safari

And if you read those articles, you'd see that those few scientists who said the opposite were doing the calculations incorrectly.

I love how you think a nickname carries more weight than science.

I'll concede that Brady is not the GOAT. Now, let's see who the OP thinks IS the GOAT, and further, prove that his candidate never cheated.

I'll wait for your post.

of course not [/saban]

demack06 said:

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QB? Gotta be Joe Montana IMO

Brady will forever and EVER have that *asterisk next to his name. He was legitimately caught cheating.
Not only that, but his coach was caught cheating. Then his OC McDaniels is hired to be Denver's head coach and HE is caught cheating. Then comes BACK to the Patriots where they get caught cheating.

Hmmm

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Over the summer, Hall of Fame quarterback Joe Montana admitted that his Super Bowl-winning 49ers teams were known to skirt the rules, and this week he reiterated that stance, saying that cheating is part of the game -- and that includes the Belichick-Brady era Patriots.

"They always say, 'If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying,'" Montana told NFL Network's Andrew Sicliano. "So they're trying hard."
"Are [the Patriots] cheating hard or trying hard?" Siciliano asked.
"Could be both," said Montana.

Siciliano then asked how difficult it is to know the line between gamesmanship and cheating.
"Well, they have this thing called the rulebook," Montana said, smiling. "When you step outside the rule book, you're fudging it a little bit."

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Hmmm

Fine you can say it isn't Joe if you must. But he never got caught. And "skirting some rules" can be a plethora of things.
Don't call Joe the GOAT, but don't call Brady it either under that logic. The point of my post was mainly say it can't be Brady.

Joe didn't have 2 Superbowls handed to him on a silver platter though either by some of the dumbest play calling/decision making known to NFL fans far and wide.

demack06 said:

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Fine you can say it isn't Joe if you must. But he never got caught. And "skirting some rules" can be a plethora of things.
Don't call Joe the GOAT, but don't call Brady it either under that logic. The point of my post was mainly say it can't be Brady.

Joe didn't have 2 Superbowls handed to him on a silver platter though either by some of the dumbest play calling/decision making known to NFL fans far and wide.

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Jerry Rice admitted to cheating for his years in the NFL. To be fair, you shouldn't count any passes to Jerry since he was breaking the rules to make catching passes easier.

BMX Bandit said:

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other PhDs have said the opposite.

(But you already knew that)


And never got an answer on what The Deflator is up to these days. How is he? weight loss going good?

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How many declaring the opposite are profs at MIT?

Sparkie said:

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demack06 said:

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Fine you can say it isn't Joe if you must. But he never got caught. And "skirting some rules" can be a plethora of things.
Don't call Joe the GOAT, but don't call Brady it either under that logic. The point of my post was mainly say it can't be Brady.

Joe didn't have 2 Superbowls handed to him on a silver platter though either by some of the dumbest play calling/decision making known to NFL fans far and wide.

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Jerry Rice admitted to cheating for his years in the NFL. To be fair, you shouldn't count any passes to Jerry since he was breaking the rules to make catching passes easier.

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lol that isn't a ridiculous comment or anything.

Sparkie said:

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demack06 said:

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Fine you can say it isn't Joe if you must. But he never got caught. And "skirting some rules" can be a plethora of things.
Don't call Joe the GOAT, but don't call Brady it either under that logic. The point of my post was mainly say it can't be Brady.

Joe didn't have 2 Superbowls handed to him on a silver platter though either by some of the dumbest play calling/decision making known to NFL fans far and wide.

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Jerry Rice admitted to cheating for his years in the NFL. To be fair, you shouldn't count any passes to Jerry since he was breaking the rules to make catching passes easier.

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So you're saying Joe should definitely have an asterisk next to Super Bowl XXIII where the 49ers beat the Bengals by 4 but Jerry the cheater and unfair advantage had two receiving touchdowns?

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How can people be calling Brady the GOAT, and completly ignoring his cheating? And Bilickeck stealing plays? The Patriots are DIRTY.

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How come the NFL didn't punish the Steeelers this year for deflating balls?

The booing when Goodell took the mic sounded loud on tv. Would have been perfect after the booing the crowd broke into Brady chants

Who cheats to lose?

Cromagnum said:

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Who cheats to lose?

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demack06 said:

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Sparkie said:

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demack06 said:

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Fine you can say it isn't Joe if you must. But he never got caught. And "skirting some rules" can be a plethora of things.
Don't call Joe the GOAT, but don't call Brady it either under that logic. The point of my post was mainly say it can't be Brady.

Joe didn't have 2 Superbowls handed to him on a silver platter though either by some of the dumbest play calling/decision making known to NFL fans far and wide.

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Jerry Rice admitted to cheating for his years in the NFL. To be fair, you shouldn't count any passes to Jerry since he was breaking the rules to make catching passes easier.

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lol that isn't a ridiculous comment or anything.

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That's the point (sarcasam) - sounds just as ******ed as those claiming the balls had anything to with the Brayds record.

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Sparkie said:

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demack06 said:

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Fine you can say it isn't Joe if you must. But he never got caught. And "skirting some rules" can be a plethora of things.
Don't call Joe the GOAT, but don't call Brady it either under that logic. The point of my post was mainly say it can't be Brady.

Joe didn't have 2 Superbowls handed to him on a silver platter though either by some of the dumbest play calling/decision making known to NFL fans far and wide.

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Jerry Rice admitted to cheating for his years in the NFL. To be fair, you shouldn't count any passes to Jerry since he was breaking the rules to make catching passes easier.

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So you're saying Joe should definitely have an asterisk next to Super Bowl XXIII where the 49ers beat the Bengals by 4 but Jerry the cheater and unfair advantage had two receiving touchdowns?

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Are you really that ignorant or just trolling like I did?

Jerry had 215 yards and won MVP for that game.

Apparently I didn't lay the sarcasm on thick enough...

Some players feel WR shouldn't be able to wear gloves..

With Dungy admitting the Colts stole signals like the Patriots, how does it change Manning and his accomplishments?

former MLB manager Leo Durocher said it best:

"nice guys finish last"