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Bringing an NFL team to Las Vegas is a terrible idea.
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You care to explain why you think that?
I think it's going to be a huge success. Tickets will be hard to come by and expensive. Fans will plan trips so they can see their team play.
The suites and to some extent the season tickets will be bought by casinos and available to high rollers and VIPs who want to catch a game in luxury.
Think it'll be a different business model and approach but I think it'll do very well.
I think it's going to be a huge success. Tickets will be hard to come by and expensive. Fans will plan trips so they can see their team play.
The suites and to some extent the season tickets will be bought by casinos and available to high rollers and VIPs who want to catch a game in luxury.
Think it'll be a different business model and approach but I think it'll do very well.
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kinda agree with this.Ag_07 said:
You care to explain why you think that?
I think it's going to be a huge success. Tickets will be hard to come by and expensive. Fans will plan trips so they can see their team play.
The suites and to some extent the season tickets will be bought by casinos and available to high rollers and VIPs who want to catch a game in luxury.
Think it'll be a different business model and approach but I think it'll do very well.
i think its a great idea. casinos will be buying/comping tickets like mad and i agree with the idea that opposing fans are likely to travel there as well.
Would they really comp tickets? Going to a game takes time away from gambling and may be draining, thus decreasing the likelihood that the patrons will return to the casino floor
UMichAg said:
Would they really comp tickets? Going to a game takes time away from gambling and may be draining, thus decreasing the likelihood that the patrons will return to the casino floor
Get them in Friday or earlier and they do all the gambling before the game. They likelyarrange transportation to head from game to airport.
Every game will be like an away game for the Vegas team.
TheCougarHunter said:
Every game will be like an away game for the Vegas team.
This is what I mean by a different approach and business model.
They will cater to the traveling fan rather than tap into the locals. It'll interesting to see what kind of free agents they can attract to play in an environment like that and live in LV.
But seriously how awesome would it be to fly into LV Friday, gamble and do Vegas things all weekend, then see your team play an NFL game Sunday? Pretty cool way to see an away game if you ask me.
Now if the NFL wants to really get creative and tap into this whole LV market they'd allow the casinos to put like remote sports books in the stadium. On one level it'd be sports book after sports book. They'd get crazy action on Sunday games and people would show up when the doors open to sit in the stadium and watch the East Coast and Central games that are starting an hour or two earlier.
I think an NFL team in Las Vegas is a masterstroke. And the league is going to kick itself for not having done it 10 years earlier
Well the OP sold me on his opinion, I guess it is true when you people say that some times little is more.
A terrible idea is the Chargers moving to LA. Raiders to Las Vegas is fantastic.
They already comp all sorts of stuff that takes people away from the casino and gambling floor (race car driving, etc). I think they will definitely comp tickets.UMichAg said:
Would they really comp tickets? Going to a game takes time away from gambling and may be draining, thus decreasing the likelihood that the patrons will return to the casino floor
yep, they went and ****ed that deal all up. So typical of the raiders....
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I think it is Fool's Gold.
It will succeed for a short time, and hopefully the Raiders are winning to build some momentum, but at then end of the day, you have to build your fan base through locals and season tickets, and then through sponsorship. Maybe Vegas has grown enough for that, but I don't think so.
I think hundreds, not thousands, will regularly travel to visit Vegas when their teams plays, and I'm not sure Casinos really want people spending more time and money at some other place. They'll reward their big spenders, but they already do that.
When I go to Vegas, hitting an NFL game would not be a priority.
It will succeed for a short time, and hopefully the Raiders are winning to build some momentum, but at then end of the day, you have to build your fan base through locals and season tickets, and then through sponsorship. Maybe Vegas has grown enough for that, but I don't think so.
I think hundreds, not thousands, will regularly travel to visit Vegas when their teams plays, and I'm not sure Casinos really want people spending more time and money at some other place. They'll reward their big spenders, but they already do that.
When I go to Vegas, hitting an NFL game would not be a priority.
Closest comparison in the NFL now to Vegas is probably New Orleans and the Las Vegas area is bigger, richer, and growing way faster than NOLA. It will support a franchise just fine. You have a bigger traveling base to Vegas than NOLA and it's a city that for sure makes it into the regular Super Bowl hosting rotation... it'll do just fine. There's a reason the NHL is expanding there now too and I'd not be shocked to see MLB and NBA put their toes into the market as well. Vegas area is no longer a small city with a bunch of tourists in it... it's a becoming a big city and continues to grow at an insanely fast pace.
A ton of people would go to just take a breather from gambling... if they locate the stadium right, it'll be packed and a hot ticket every weekend. Not sure going to a game would be the first thing I'd want to do, but after a night of gambling Friday, Saturday gambling all day and usually a big dinner and tons of drinks Saturday night, I wouldn't say no to taking a break on a Sunday afternoon to go to an NFL game... similar to how I usually view golf in Vegas.
A ton of people would go to just take a breather from gambling... if they locate the stadium right, it'll be packed and a hot ticket every weekend. Not sure going to a game would be the first thing I'd want to do, but after a night of gambling Friday, Saturday gambling all day and usually a big dinner and tons of drinks Saturday night, I wouldn't say no to taking a break on a Sunday afternoon to go to an NFL game... similar to how I usually view golf in Vegas.
I can't wait to see the inventive and creative way visiting players find to get in trouble when they out there to play the Raiders. Coaches are going to have to put chains on their teams hotel doors.
The girls at the titters are going to be upgrading their 5 series to Maseratis once they clean out these dumbass NFL players.
O/U on the number of seasons before we have a major gambling-related scandal?
the NFL is big enough to survive it whenever it happens
Dr. Watson said:
O/U on the number of seasons before we have a major gambling-related scandal?
Gambling is already rampant for NFL games. It's what has made it so popular in recent years.
If that was going to happen it would've happened already. Not saying it won't happen but a franchise in LV isn't making it any more likely.
there is 100X more likely to be a gambling scandal in a city without legal gambling than there is to be one in Las Vegas.
Looking more and more like this won't happen.
Iowaggie said:
It will succeed for a short time, and hopefully the Raiders are winning to build some momentum, but at then end of the day, you have to build your fan base through locals and season tickets, and then through sponsorship. Maybe Vegas has grown enough for that, but I don't think so.
Vegas proper is 600k+ and the metro area is almost 2 million. It's big enough to support an NFL team.
NFL guys on Network discussing San Diego move. Saying San Antonio would be an option except for Jerry Jones has told he would fight the move to SA.
What determines the relocation fee? Why the large discrepancy?
UMichAg said:
What determines the relocation fee? Why the large discrepancy?
Probably has to do with the TV markets, local support and how adversely it would affect the community a team would be leaving.
Leaving San Diego and St Louis is a lot worse than leaving ****ty Oakland.
1. The income streams available to the club in its new location and the likelihood that
they will be realized (which may be affected by community or business guarantees
or similar undertakings);
2. The income streams historically available to the club in its previous location, and
the incremental income streams (if any) that could reasonably be expected to be
made available to the club in its old location;
3. The expenses to be borne by the club in its current and proposed locations;
4. The expenses that could reasonably be expected to be assumed by parties other
than the club if the relocation does not take place;
5. The desirability of the club's current and proposed stadia as locations for
professional football games;
6. The club's current status under any revenue sharing plans then in effect and its
anticipated status if the move were approved;
7. The effect of the proposed relocation on current or anticipated League-level
revenue and expense streams; and
8. The demographics of the club's old and new markets.
Summary: Depends on how much the leagues want the move to happen and how much they think the owner would pay.
they will be realized (which may be affected by community or business guarantees
or similar undertakings);
2. The income streams historically available to the club in its previous location, and
the incremental income streams (if any) that could reasonably be expected to be
made available to the club in its old location;
3. The expenses to be borne by the club in its current and proposed locations;
4. The expenses that could reasonably be expected to be assumed by parties other
than the club if the relocation does not take place;
5. The desirability of the club's current and proposed stadia as locations for
professional football games;
6. The club's current status under any revenue sharing plans then in effect and its
anticipated status if the move were approved;
7. The effect of the proposed relocation on current or anticipated League-level
revenue and expense streams; and
8. The demographics of the club's old and new markets.
Summary: Depends on how much the leagues want the move to happen and how much they think the owner would pay.
Roger Goodell paints bleak picture for Raiders fans in letter to Oakland mayor
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In the letter obtained by this news organization Saturday, Goodell wrote that the city's proposal is not "clear and specific, actionable in a reasonable time frame, and free of major contingencies."
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"Key issues that we have identified as threshold considerations are simply not resolvable in a reasonable time," Goodell wrote of the Oakland proposal.
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Goodell acknowledged and thanked Oakland city officials, specifically Schaaf, for being "accessible, creative and diligent in exploring alternatives."
"Despite all of these efforts, ours and yours, we have not yet identified a viable solution," Goodell said. "It is disappointing to me and our clubs to have come to that conclusion."
I think it is a great move. NHL is putting a team there as well.
There will be tons of fans travelling to every game. There are about 1 millions visitors per week to Vegas. I'll bet some of them might want to see a football game.
There will be tons of fans travelling to every game. There are about 1 millions visitors per week to Vegas. I'll bet some of them might want to see a football game.
There are several sports books now that allow you to create an account in person at a casino in Nevada and then you can bet via smartphone as long as you are physically located in NV based on your phone. Might be an interesting wrinkle to this story.
I was in Vegas recently and drove around for a while. I get the feeling there is some huge money on the strip, but not a lot of wealth throughout the city. And the locals would be the diehard fans. I think this will be a disaster.
I was in Vegas recently and drove around for a while. I get the feeling there is some huge money on the strip, but not a lot of wealth throughout the city. And the locals would be the diehard fans. I think this will be a disaster.
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