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Kurt14
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I am looking for a entry level pilot position( besides CFI). I graduated class of 14, I have my commercial single engine and multi engine instrument license, about 600 total time and 26 multi engine time.

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Good luck Kurt. I assume you are familiar with airlinepilotforums.com and fapa.aero
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Hey Kurt, I was where you are not too long ago. Shoot me an email username @ yahoo
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Sent you an email average_joker!
Ive used pilot forum, Ill check out the other link! Thanks
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I have no idea about flying or anything.

I just saw this posting on the UT (Tennessee) website today and remembered this post.

Don't know if you are qualified for it, but thought I'd list it.

https://ut.taleo.net/careersection/ut_knoxville/jobdetail.ftl?job=16000001QN
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/advisory-panel-would-relax-rules-for-co-pilot-experience-1472808602
Advisory Panel Would Relax Rules for Co-Pilot Experience
A proposal is likely to rekindle long-running safety debate about mandatory flying hours
By ANDY PASTOR
Sept. 2, 2016
U.S. airlines would be able to hire new pilots with far less cockpit experience than currently required under a proposal aimed at addressing a staffing shortage, a move likely to rekindle a debate over aviation safety.
Certain military pilots with as little as 500 hours of flying experience would be allowed to become commercial co-pilots, according to people familiar with an advisory panel's recommendations, compared with the mandatory at least 750 hours required today. That is already down sharply from the minimum of 1,500 hours set for typical nonmilitary pilots in 2013.
The proposal comes from a joint industry-labor group created by the Federal Aviation Administration to help it draft new regulations amid worries by the airline industry that there aren't enough pilots to keep up with demand. None of the recommendations have been released, and further details are expected to remain confidential until top FAA officials decide how to proceed.
Co-pilots without a military background or an academic degree related to aviation would still need at least 1,500 hours of total flight time to be eligible to be hired by carriers, these people said. Co-pilots are sometimes called first officers.
The committee, which includes representatives of pilots, airlines and passengers, didn't recommend any changes for requirements to fly as a captain. Captains need 1,500 hours among other requirements, but airlines usually require more flight time for them than federal minimums.
The proposals reflect escalating pressures many commuter carriers face in attracting and keeping enough pilots under existing regulations. Despite increased salaries and the introduction of signing and retention bonuses at some carriers, commuter operators remain particularly vulnerable to pilot staffing shortfalls.
Some commuter airlines worry they aren't attracting the overall quality of applicants they would like, while others fret about the impact of larger carriers hiring away commuter pilots with incentives that include higher pay and more-secure career advancement prospects. Larger U.S. airlines, meanwhile, confront their own staffing issues with the impending retirements of tens of thousands of senior pilots over the next decade.
Industry initiatives so far "haven't fixed the basic problem, just mitigated and probably delayed the worst consequences of the pilot shortage," said Roger Cohen, former president of the Regional Airline Association, the leading trade association representing commuter operators. The group, which has been battling to change existing standards for years, declined to comment on the new recommendations.
In the past, regional carriers unsuccessfully pushed an initiative to reduce minimum experience standards for new aviators by having them sit in airliner jump seats as observers, subjecting them to more-frequent proficiency checks and requiring beefed-up stall-recovery training along with a year or more of formal mentoring by senior pilots.
Only about one-quarter of all U.S. airline pilots now come from the military and its widely respected training program, according to Kit Darby, a consultant on pilot-hiring trends, and relatively few of those go to regional carriers. "The assistance the proposals would provide is limited."
An FAA spokeswoman said officials were reviewing the proposals.
The panel's report follows earlier safety enhancements imposed by Congress and the FAA in the wake of the high-profile crash of a Colgan Air turboprop in 2009 near Buffalo, N.Y. Investigators determined that the captain had a spotty training record and responded incorrectly to automated cockpit warnings.
Confronting pressure from lawmakers, outside safety critics and families of the more than four dozen victims who died in the crash, FAA officials in 2013 announced regulations raising experience and training requirements. Instead of what had been the mandatory minimum of 250 hours flight time for first officers, the agency adopted a sliding scale from 750 to 1,500 hours, depending on military and educational background.
Since then, some commuter carriers have chafed under the requirements, arguing that attaining the 1,500-hour or even 750-hour threshold poses often insurmountable financial and other obstacles for many prospective applicants. So the FAA convened the panel to explore possible paths with lower entry barriers.
Some agency critics contend the number of hours spent behind the controls of an aircraft, by itself, doesn't guarantee quality training. Other safety advocates, including pilot-union leaders, stress that routine mentoring of new hires by veteran captains is essential to safety.
"We have found no evidence that high time [experience] makes better pilots" when they are first hired, Paul Kolisch, a senior training official at Delta Air Lines Inc.'s Endeavor Air commuter arm, said during a safety conference last year.
The FAA asked the latest panel to study potential adjustments within the framework of previous congressional mandates. The group of experts, for example, didn't look at changing current requirements that all co-pilots must be trained and tested on the specific aircraft model they fly.
Write to Andy Pasztor at andy.pasztor@wsj.com
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Envoy was recruiting at a Fort Rucker. 750 total hours and a $10k sign on bonus. That may have been for the rotary transition. Idk. Feeder for United. Sky West has recruited two Guard pilots from my int recently. Pay out of pocket for those last few hours? They will actually put you in their school (you'll still have to ly) and then give you a sign on bonus at the end of it. If I could swing the schedule as a single parent - I'd be all over it. Unfortunately - I don't have family nearby to help (yet.)
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/pilot-shortage-prompts-regional-airlines-to-boost-starting-wages-1478473042 Pilot Shortage Prompts Regional Airlines to Boost Starting Wages

Wave of retirements at major carriers, lengthier training are factors squeezing the industry

Regional airlines that feed the nation's biggest carriers are boosting starting wages to fight a pilot shortage, hoping to encourage aspiring aviators to endure what has become lengthier training.

Regional carriers are vital to the U.S. travel network, operating 44% of passenger flights in 2015 and providing the only flights to 65% of U.S. airports with scheduled service. They typically supply their own crews and planes, while big airlines set schedules, sell tickets and buy the fuel.

New wage scales introduced in recent months increase pay for some of their first-year aviators from around $20,000 to upward of $50,000 including bonuses, per-diem payments and training stipends.

"The marketplace for pilots is pretty tight right now," said Capt. Tim Canoll, president of the largest pilot union, Air Line Pilots Association. "What we're seeing is the operation of supply and demand economics."

Pilots have long accepted what they call "food-stamp wages" for a foothold in a passion-driven industry and a shot at six-figure salaries at major carriers later in their careers. Often loaded with debt, new pilots make do while they wait to ascend the pay scale, hoping to quickly upgrade to captain, a rank that confers higher wages, even at regional carriers.

Congress put a kink in the supply chain in 2013 with a law mandating that most aspiring pilots fly 1,500 hours before being hired by a regional carrier, up from as few as 250 hours. That added years and tens of thousands of dollars to the investment pilots must make in training and working as flight instructors before moving up to fly commercial airliners.

The pilot rosters of major airlines are also being squeezed by a wave of retirements as aviators turn 65, spurring larger carriers to more aggressively recruit among regional partners. The bottleneck will leave the U.S. with a deficit of nearly 14,500 pilots in the next decade, according to the University of North Dakota, home to a premier aviation program.

"I wouldn't say we can go out and hire as many pilots as we want," said Ryan Gumm, chief executive of Endeavor Air, a wholly owned regional unit of Delta Air Lines Inc. Last year Endeavor raised its starting wage to $30 an hour from $25. It now offers a $20,000 annual retention reward, boosting it to $23,000 annually thereafter.

Some regional carriers were so short on pilots they weren't able to fulfill schedules set by their major airline clients, leading to litigation. One, Republic Airways Holdings Inc., is reorganizing in bankruptcy. Carriers have pulled out of some marginal routes, cutting off access to smaller cities.

ExpressJet Airlines, a unit of SkyWest Inc., in February raised its starting pilots' pay to as much as $40 an hour from a ceiling of $27. The company also raised the number of guaranteed monthly hours a pilot will be paid by 10 to 75. ExpressJet said it has attracted more candidates since compensation rose.

In September, three regional carriers wholly owned by American Airlines Group Inc. temporarily raised first-year pilots' hourly pay. Subsidiary carriers often find it easier to do so because parent companies help cover costs, and don't expect their regional units to build profit margins into their contracts.

The more numerous independents don't have that luxury or formal arrangements for their pilots to be promoted into major carriers. Jonathan Ornstein, chief executive of Mesa Airlines Inc., keeps overhead low and hustles for added work in order to quicken the promotions of first officers to captain, which raises pay more quickly and is a recruitment lure to new pilots.

Jeff Mabry joined American's subsidiary PSA Airlines in 2015 after six years amassing the necessary 1,500 hours of experience. He earned about $22,000 annually.

Now that PSA has raised hourly pay to $38.50 and offered a $20,000 retention bonus, Mr. Mabry said it's "a great feeling to finally be paid a comfortable living."

Based in Charlotte, N.C., the 26-year-old jet pilot doesn't think airlines will be in a position to backtrack on higher pay anytime soon. "By 2018, it will probably be even more competitive to attract qualified pilots," he said.

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http://www.investopedia.com/news/american-airlines-combats-pilot-shortage-aal/
American Airlines Combats Pilot Shortage (AAL)


The airline industry will have a pilot shortage of 15,000 by 2026. American Airlines Group Inc (AAL) is trying to avoid the shortage through simple economicsthey're going to pay pilots more. A lot more.

The pilot shortages American Airlines is facing today are in its subsidiaries, or feeder airlines. These small, regional airlines are meant to shuttle people to American hubs and have historically been used as an entry point for pilots hoping to one day be employed by American Airlines.

However, not only have the regional airlines seen their budgets cut during The Great Recession, a 2013 regulation change saw the number of flying hours a pilot needed to become a first officer increase to 1,500, a 600% increase.

Today, would-be pilots are discovering that even graduating flight school leaves them hundreds of hours short of their pilot's license. With flying lessons costing around $100 an hour, the cost of becoming a qualified pilot is easily more than $150,000. Starting salary at a regional airline? Around $20,000 a year thanks in part to the smaller budget from parent carriers.

PSA Airlines and Envoy Air (both part of American Airlines Group) announced new changes to their pay structures for first officers and captains. PSA, who are in the process of hiring 1,000 pilots, has bumped their starting wage from $24.62 an hour to $38.50. Envoy has increased their starting wage from $25.84 an hour to $37.90 an hour. Both companies offer signing bonuses from $15,000 $20,000 and a $20,000 retention bonus after the first year.

Historically, say both PSA and Envoy, first officers can become captains within 3 years, a promotion which increases their salary to around $165,000 a year. Within five years from hire, first officers can expect to begin training at American Airlines.

The wage increase is essential for American to have pilots once its current staff begin retiring. Republic Airways, a large regional airline filed for bankruptcy protection earlier this year in part because of a lack of qualified pilots. JetBlue Airways Corp (JBLU) has begun an in-house training program for would-be pilots without any qualifications.

The Bottom LineAmerican Airlines had its hand forced by economics. Facing an impending pilot shortage to which its competitors have already started to adapt, American was compelled to provide more money for its regional feeder airlines in order to increase pilots' starting salaries.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-29/shrinking-pool-of-future-pilots-keeps-major-airlines-on-edge
Shrinking Pool of Future Pilots Keeps Major Airlines on Edge

After coping with terrorism, bankruptcies and consolidation, the largest U.S. airlines are facing a new problem: They may start running out of pilots in as soon as three years.

That looming pilot deficit will soar to 15,000 by 2026, according to a study by the University of North Dakota's Aviation Department, as more captains reach the mandatory retirement age of 65 and fewer young people choose commercial aviation as a profession. And that's in an industry where captains on the biggest international jets average more than $200,000 a year -- with some pushing $300,000.

A pilot shortage is already the bane of the often low-paying regional carriers that ferry passengers from smaller airports to hubs operated by American, Delta and other major airlines. That's worrisome for the major carriers because they typically use the smaller operators as a pipeline for hiring.

"That is one of the things in my job I get to worry about every day and when I go to bed at night," said Greg Muccio, a senior manager at Southwest Airlines Co. "The biggest problem is a general lack of interest in folks pursuing this as a career anymore. That's what puts us in the most jeopardy."

Airlines are responding by changing hiring requirements, boosting signing bonuses at regional carriers they own and partnering with flight schools and university aviation programs. Muccio spends some of his time trying to interest college, high school and even elementary students in an aviation career, while he's working to extend the biggest three-year expansion of pilot hiring in Southwest's history.

The top three reasons would-be pilots are changing their career plans are the cost of flight training and certification, low pay at regional carriers and a 2013 regulatory change that mandated a sixfold increase in flight hours required to become a first officer, according to a study released last year by the University of North Dakota and the University of Nebraska-Omaha.

Until recently, few pilots were willing to recommend the career, even to their own children, said Louis Smith, president of FAPA.aero, a career and financial planner for professional pilots.

"That mood is changing," Smith said, as larger airlines have become profitable and picked up hiring to support expansion. "Still, the cost of learning to fly and the risk and impact of failure is a major impediment to building the pool of pilots."

Costly Training
Flight-training fees for a commercial aviation major total about $64,500 at the University of North Dakota, the largest public aviation program in the U.S. That figure excludes tuition and room and board, which can add as much as $105,400 for an out-of-state student.

Major U.S. airlines will hire as many as 5,000 pilots this year, mainly to replace retirees but also to support expansion, Smith said. Most will come from regional carriers, military retirees and flight schools.

Bankruptcies and consolidation may be triggered among regional carriers when the larger airlines increasingly seek to fill their pilot needs, said Elizabeth Bjerke, chairwoman of the University of North Dakota Aviation Department. Republic Airways Holdings Inc., which makes commuter flights for American, United and Delta, filed for bankruptcy in February, in part because of a pilot shortage.

"The future is a little scary," said John Hornibrook, system chief pilot for Alaska Air Group Inc. "The pool is just not as big as it used to be. That's a concern for everybody down the road."

Retirement Age
More than 30,000 pilots -- or half the current total of 60,222 at 10 large U.S. airlines, United Parcel Service Inc. and FedEx Corp. -- will reach age 65 by 2026, according to data compiled by Kit Darby, president of KitDarby.com Aviation Consulting LLC.

To help recruiting, Southwest has dropped its prior requirement that pilot applicants hold a certificate to fly its Boeing Co. 737s, which can cost as much as $14,000. Southwest also has cut in half the time between an interview with a potential pilot and a job offer, Muccio said.

American Airlines Group Inc., which is adding about 650 pilots this year and 750 in 2017, gets about half its cockpit staff via "flow through" agreements that allow aviators at its three wholly owned regional carriers to move into jobs at the bigger company. Delta Air Lines Inc. has a similar deal with its Endeavor unit, while Alaska Airlines guarantees interviews to pilots from its sister company, Horizon Air.

"Every major we've talked to, they are concerned beyond the next three to four years," said Jim Higgins, the principal investigator on the University of North Dakota pilot study.

At American's Envoy unit, the promise of a seamless move to a major carrier is a big draw, said Jon Reibach, the airline's director of pilot recruiting. Joshua Gimre, 22, who is accumulating hours as a flight instructor after graduating from LeTourneau University in Texas and joining Envoy, could become a captain at American by the time he's 45, with a 20-year flying career still ahead of him.

"Once a young pilot interviews with us, that's the last airline interview they'll ever have to do," Reibach said.

Signing Bonuses
American's regional carriers -- Envoy, Piedmont and PSA airlines -- this month increased their signing bonus to $15,000. Delta's Endeavor pays a signing bonus of as much as $23,000 a year. It has the highest first-year salary at $47,000, according to a database maintained by Darby. First-year pay at commuter carriers averages $35,227.

A first officer, or co-pilot, on the smallest aircraft at large airlines earns an average $55,054 his first year, according to Darby. That can increase to more than $120,000 in his fifth year, flying the largest plane. A captain at top seniority flying the biggest planes averages $208,828.

In March, JetBlue Airways Corp. initiated Gateway Select, where recruits with no flying experience undergo a series of screenings before being placed into a "rigorous" four-year study program to become pilots. The model, designed to recruit from a broader range of candidates and reduce training costs, is similar to those used in Europe and Asia.

At United Continental Holdings Inc., a new career path program designed "to counter the potential shortage of qualified pilots," involves two regional carriers and a flight-training school, according to a memo from the airline. Similar to a flow-through program, the plan provides a chance to move to the larger carrier. The airline will hire 650 pilots this year and as many as 900 in 2017.

"The competition for the best and brightest pilots is heating up," United said in May.
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I believe that is just if you went the military route. For General aviation the requirement is 1500 hours to get an ATP unless graduating from one of the major flight schools. From my understanding once you have an ATP you're pretty set, but getting from CMEL to 1500 can be a bit of a challenge for GA.
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Thanks for the articles GoHomeLeg! The pilot shortage is a big part of what made me decide to become a pilot! I was a little late to start my training and now I'm trying to build time as fast as I can to be on the front side of the pilot hiring boom.
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Hi Kurt, I've been told that Ameriflight is hiring:

EMBRAER EMB-120 First Officer
  • 500 TT
  • 50 hours ME
  • Commercial Pilot License with multi-engine land and instrument rating or an Airline Transport Pilot License
  • English Proficient
  • High Performance and Complex logbook endorsements
  • FAA Medical, First or Second Class
  • FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit
  • Current Passport
  • Eligible to work in the United States
  • Valid driver's license
  • Must be able to lift a minimum of 75 lbs.

Average Joker may have current intel on them. He has gone from a CFI to an airline captain in a very short period of time. I know another young man who has a civil engineering degree from MSU and wanted a career change. He got all of his ratings at record pace and has been flying first officer on Lear Jets and will soon be typed on Citations.

I came up the civilian route over 30 years ago. When I was hired at AA there were very few civilians flying for the airlines but that has changed. I know it's difficult to get to that 1500 hour mark but you'll do it. Good luck.
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Average_joker helped me out a lot as I was starting to get my feet wet outside of basic flight training so he's got some good advice. I made it to the regionals last April and couldn't be happier. Just one more step to go! Good Luck finding a good job out there. You're definitely hitting it at a great time!
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https://w3.ameriflight.com/pilot-opportunities/?utm_medium=sem&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=retargeting&utm_content=displaynetwork
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