Data centers in space

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So Elon has decided to provide his competition, Anthropic, with compute power at SpaceX. This will be at the Colossus 1 Memphis data center with over 300 MW and 220,000+ Nvidia GPUs.

Now he's talking data centers in space. Is that even feasible?! It would require massive solar panels.

Btw, SpaceX is supposed to IPO next month.

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Perhaps this is an FU move to Altman. He hates that guy.
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Solar power?
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The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.
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I think Elon and SpaceX realize this. If they're planning on going ahead with it, it means they've figured it out. Probably using radiators.
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**** SKYnet! We're blasting PAST that to SPACENET!!
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People don't realize that Elon has been time traveling for years. He's way ahead of the curve.
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Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.
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There is nothing to transfer that heat though. It's "space"
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pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.



Exactly - that's the whole point of doing it in space!
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pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.



You're dealing with thermal radiation vs convection and conduction. It's not that simple.
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Logos Stick said:

Perhaps this is an FU move to Altman. He hates that guy.
xAI's Colossus 1 server farm, while not obsolete, wasn't being used to train the latest Grok models. xAI is using Colossus 2, which is much larger and has the latest silicone, to do their heavy lifting.

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Suspect this was to help improve xAI's cash flow prior to the IPO.
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Data centers will absolutely be in space.
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Terafab keynote, shows scale of 100 kW mini sat at 9:37 and talks some about heat little later


https://terafab.ai/
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An L of an Ag said:

**** SKYnet! We're blasting PAST that to SPACENET!!


2027 A Space Odyssey.
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pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.




A vacuum doesn't have temperature. Maybe the odd atom in space is 'cold ', but a vacuum doesn't have a temperature. And there is so little matter that it does no cooling that you're imagining.

If an object is in the sun or creating it's own heat, it will be very hot. With no air, there's no temperature buffering and no way other than radiation to remove heat. Telescopes and satellites have to rely on heat shields facing the sun and materials that will radiate infrared energy facing away to try to stay cool.

A data center creates way way way more heat than a JWST.

Saying 'space is cold' like that solves it is hilarious.



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Esteban du Plantier said:

pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.


A vacuum doesn't have temperature. Maybe the odd atom in space is 'cold ', but a vacuum doesn't have a temperature. And there is so little matter that it does no cooling that you're imagining.

If an object is in the sun or creating it's own heat, it will be very hot. With no air, there's no temperature buffering and no way other than radiation to remove heat. Telescopes and satellites have to rely on heat shields facing the sun and materials that will radiate infrared energy facing away to try to stay cool.

A data center creates way way way more heat than a JWST.

Saying 'space is cold' like that solves it is hilarious.

Yikes, 13 stars and counting. Not a great look for a college website, lol.

Not only does a vacuum have no temperature, there is no convection nor conduction of heat in a vacuum. That's why we have complicated water-to-ammonia radiator heat transfers for infrared on all space craft.

Folks, this thing called solar radiation, or lack there of, drives the temp of things in our space. The ISS isn't facing -455F surface temps when in the sun, I promise you. Just yikes on the stars.
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Didn't they have to wait for the JWST to "cool down"?
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RangerRick9211 said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.


A vacuum doesn't have temperature. Maybe the odd atom in space is 'cold ', but a vacuum doesn't have a temperature. And there is so little matter that it does no cooling that you're imagining.

If an object is in the sun or creating it's own heat, it will be very hot. With no air, there's no temperature buffering and no way other than radiation to remove heat. Telescopes and satellites have to rely on heat shields facing the sun and materials that will radiate infrared energy facing away to try to stay cool.

A data center creates way way way more heat than a JWST.

Saying 'space is cold' like that solves it is hilarious.

Yikes, 13 stars and counting. Not a great look for a college website, lol.

Not only does a vacuum have no temperature, there is no convection nor conduction of heat in a vacuum. That's why we have complicated water-to-ammonia radiator heat transfers for infrared on all space craft.

Folks, this thing called solar radiation, or lack there of, drives the temp of things in our space. The ISS isn't facing -455F surface temps when in the sun, I promise you. Just yikes on the stars.

The "A" in Texas A&M isn't for "Astronomy".

How are we supposed to know this?

Next you will tell me that people can actually hear me scream in space.
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javajaws said:

pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.



Exactly - that's the whole point of doing it in space!


It's way more difficult to cool in space!

They want to do it in space because there are no permits or local government regulations to block construction, and they can use solar power and not need to wait in the que for grid connection or gas turbine delivery.
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YouBet said:

RangerRick9211 said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.


A vacuum doesn't have temperature. Maybe the odd atom in space is 'cold ', but a vacuum doesn't have a temperature. And there is so little matter that it does no cooling that you're imagining.

If an object is in the sun or creating it's own heat, it will be very hot. With no air, there's no temperature buffering and no way other than radiation to remove heat. Telescopes and satellites have to rely on heat shields facing the sun and materials that will radiate infrared energy facing away to try to stay cool.

A data center creates way way way more heat than a JWST.

Saying 'space is cold' like that solves it is hilarious.

Yikes, 13 stars and counting. Not a great look for a college website, lol.

Not only does a vacuum have no temperature, there is no convection nor conduction of heat in a vacuum. That's why we have complicated water-to-ammonia radiator heat transfers for infrared on all space craft.

Folks, this thing called solar radiation, or lack there of, drives the temp of things in our space. The ISS isn't facing -455F surface temps when in the sun, I promise you. Just yikes on the stars.

The "A" in Texas A&M isn't for "Astronomy".

How are we supposed to know this?

Next you will tell me that people can actually hear me scream in space.


Well, I don't expect everyone to know this sort of thing. But if you don't know the answer, then don't post something to get yourself featured in the Reddit 'Confidently Incorrect' forum.
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bmks270 said:

javajaws said:

pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


And they could park it in a Lagrangian point so it's always getting solar energy. In earth orbit, it'll be dark half the time.
Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.



Exactly - that's the whole point of doing it in space!


It's way more difficult to cool in space!

They want to do it in space because there are no permits or local government regulations to block construction, and they can use solar power and not need to wait in the que for grid connection or gas turbine delivery.


And if they park it in a Lagrangian point, it'll be getting solar energy all the time. In earth orbit, it's dark much of the time unless it's a polar orbit.
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Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


So is space very hot or very cold?
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TexAgs91 said:

I think Elon and SpaceX realize this. If they're planning on going ahead with it, it means they've figured it out. Probably using radiators.


lol. Elon starts a lot of stuff without having any of it figured out.

Starship isn't even figured out yet after 10+ launches.

As long as it doesn't violate physics, sure you can chase data centers in space. That doesn't mean SpaceX has will create something that will be more economically viable than ground based data centers.
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bmks270 said:

javajaws said:

pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.



Exactly - that's the whole point of doing it in space!


It's way more difficult to cool in space!

They want to do it in space because there are no permits or local government regulations to block construction, and they can use solar power and not need to wait in the que for grid connection or gas turbine delivery.


What about space H1Bs? Are those capped at 65k a year too?

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infinity ag said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


So is space very hot or very cold?

This is a serious question?
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infinity ag said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


So is space very hot or very cold?


Neither. Space has no temperature. Matter has temperature. And matter in the sun is very very hot. Matter not being heated by the sun will eventually radiate energy until it's very near absolute zero.

But a data center is creating heat from solar energy. Cooling will be, far and away, the biggest challenge. They're already hard to cool on earth with huge water cooling systems.
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infinity ag said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


So is space very hot or very cold?


It's very well insulated.
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YouBet said:

RangerRick9211 said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.


A vacuum doesn't have temperature. Maybe the odd atom in space is 'cold ', but a vacuum doesn't have a temperature. And there is so little matter that it does no cooling that you're imagining.

If an object is in the sun or creating it's own heat, it will be very hot. With no air, there's no temperature buffering and no way other than radiation to remove heat. Telescopes and satellites have to rely on heat shields facing the sun and materials that will radiate infrared energy facing away to try to stay cool.

A data center creates way way way more heat than a JWST.

Saying 'space is cold' like that solves it is hilarious.

Yikes, 13 stars and counting. Not a great look for a college website, lol.

Not only does a vacuum have no temperature, there is no convection nor conduction of heat in a vacuum. That's why we have complicated water-to-ammonia radiator heat transfers for infrared on all space craft.

Folks, this thing called solar radiation, or lack there of, drives the temp of things in our space. The ISS isn't facing -455F surface temps when in the sun, I promise you. Just yikes on the stars.

The "A" in Texas A&M isn't for "Astronomy".

How are we supposed to know this?

Next you will tell me that people can actually hear me scream in space.

Up to 18 19 20 22 24 stars now.

Pivoting from a physics discussion to social science experiment as we type.

Edit: Please be trolling at this point with the stars. Flat earth territory.

31 stars. Yeah. We're cooked. Jesus people.
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Esteban du Plantier said:

pfo said:

Esteban du Plantier said:

The problem with space is cooling stuff.

Huge data center creates a lot of heat, would be a huge challenge to keep that cool.


Space is -455 degrees Fahrenheit. A huge advantage to data centers in space is the Mother Nature handles the cooling.




A vacuum doesn't have temperature. Maybe the odd atom in space is 'cold ', but a vacuum doesn't have a temperature. And there is so little matter that it does no cooling that you're imagining.

If an object is in the sun or creating it's own heat, it will be very hot. With no air, there's no temperature buffering and no way other than radiation to remove heat. Telescopes and satellites have to rely on heat shields facing the sun and materials that will radiate infrared energy facing away to try to stay cool.

A data center creates way way way more heat than a JWST.

Saying 'space is cold' like that solves it is hilarious.





Doing the math, a 100C black box would have a radiative heat loss of 1.1kW per square meter in space. 100C is about the hottest you want to run a CPU. Interesting. Thats a lot and also not a lot of cooling. A normal CPU rack the size of a refrigerator can pull 100kW easy. And in earth is usually has has a cooling 'cost' of 5-8% of its load.
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Bezos agrees.

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