In addition to firing 8000 (includes both U.S. citizens/residents and H-1B holders), bringing headcount back down to their 2021 level, they are moving 7000 employees to new positions to staff AI initiatives become H1B recruiters and outsourcers ;-). This RIF means ZERO additional headcount since 2021 for the company, after increasing headcount at around 35% per year the five years prior to 2021. They also are nuking 6000 open positions.

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Meta to transfer 7,000 staff to AI initiatives and eliminate managers.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/meta-lays-out-plans-may-20-layoffs-restructuring-internal-document-says-2026-05-18/

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Still think it's funny he renamed the company to match his vision and that vision has failed and he moved on from it.

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Also somewhat funny that there is a company that had been operating under the name MetaVR since the late 1990s and they market a product to the military called VRSG (Virtual Reality Scene Generator). They were made an offer they couldn't refuse and relinquished claims to the name MetaVR and became MVR Simulations. They re-wrote their company history to remove almost every reference to MetaVR. There is one place on the website where it says in parentheses, "formerly MetaVR." I hope they got paid a lot.

Reuters said they got Meta's internal memo today.

"4am local time. Three batches globally. HR head Janelle Gale sent staff the playbook.

The numbers:

>8,000 cut
>7,000 reassigned to new AI workflow initiatives
>Manager roles eliminated outright
>"Many leaders will announce org changes" alongside the layoffs

Gale's framing: org leaders "incorporated AI native design principles into their new org structures."



Pure people managers will become a thing of the past. There will be IC/Manager hybrids going forward. More like team leaders.

a bit more info:

"> They have asked all their employees to WFH tomorrow.

> Workers laid off in the US will get 16 weeks of base pay as severance, plus 2 extra weeks for every year spent at Meta.

> After this, Meta has a plan to fire more employees in August and another round towards the end of 2026.

All told, Meta may reduce its head count by up to 15,000 this year."

The only useful purpose Meta serves now is as a dumping ground for the types you don't want to work with in tech. We should hope they stumble along sideways for a long time fulfilling that role.

The focus should be on small businesses they are who employ the most people in the United States, not mega corporations.

bump

I would LOVE to be laid off by Meta and get four months paid vacation plus free healthcare!

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Reuters said they got Meta's internal memo today.

"4am local time. Three batches globally. HR head Janelle Gale sent staff the playbook.

The numbers:

>8,000 cut
>7,000 reassigned to new AI workflow initiatives
>Manager roles eliminated outright
>"Many leaders will announce org changes" alongside the layoffs

Gale's framing: org leaders "incorporated AI native design principles into their new org structures."



Pure people managers will become a thing of the past. There will be IC/Manager hybrids going forward. More like team leaders.

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Interesting. Would be curious to see this job description and how they are going to deal with day to day people issues. You aren't going to be able to snuff that out. Two things will happen: (1) Leaders will still be managing people issues like they always have and/or (2) People issues will go unaddressed and ruin teams.

why do people act as if it's some lord given right that everyone has a job and gets to have lifetime employment from whatever company they work for?!

ask folks in 1933 about their four month paid salary and free healthcare for 18 months plan!

I don't think the problem is really AI. The problem is that their platforms are used by grandmothers now, not the younger demographics that advertisers care about.

No one under the age of 30 has ever been on facebook.if you are a teenager, that's where your grandparents post, and Instagram is where your mom spends her time.

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I don't think the problem is really AI. The problem is that their platforms are used by grandmothers now, not the younger demographics that advertisers care about.

No one under the age of 30 has ever been on facebook.if you are a teenager, that's where your grandparents post, and Instagram is where your mom spends her time.

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Coincidentally, your mother says hi and to call her.

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I don't think the problem is really AI. The problem is that their platforms are used by grandmothers now, not the younger demographics that advertisers care about.

No one under the age of 30 has ever been on facebook.if you are a teenager, that's where your grandparents post, and Instagram is where your mom spends her time.

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1. Its not AI, its H1Bs and offshoring
2. Its not AI, its just getting rid of the fat from COVID over-hiring
3. Its not AI, the company sucks and so do its products


Anything else?

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I don't think the problem is really AI. The problem is that their platforms are used by grandmothers now, not the younger demographics that advertisers care about.

No one under the age of 30 has ever been on facebook.if you are a teenager, that's where your grandparents post, and Instagram is where your mom spends her time.

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Coincidentally, your mother says hi and to call her.

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I'm glad she has friends

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I don't think the problem is really AI. The problem is that their platforms are used by grandmothers now, not the younger demographics that advertisers care about.

No one under the age of 30 has ever been on facebook.if you are a teenager, that's where your grandparents post, and Instagram is where your mom spends her time.

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1. Its not AI, its H1Bs and offshoring
2. Its not AI, its just getting rid of the fat from COVID over-hiring
3. Its not AI, the company sucks and so do its products


Anything else?

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AI is disruptive and is eliminating jobs, but tech companies rise and fall all the time. AI isn't why we don't have MySpace anymore

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Reuters said they got Meta's internal memo today.

"4am local time. Three batches globally. HR head Janelle Gale sent staff the playbook.

The numbers:

>8,000 cut
>7,000 reassigned to new AI workflow initiatives
>Manager roles eliminated outright
>"Many leaders will announce org changes" alongside the layoffs

Gale's framing: org leaders "incorporated AI native design principles into their new org structures."



Pure people managers will become a thing of the past. There will be IC/Manager hybrids going forward. More like team leaders.

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Interesting. Would be curious to see this job description and how they are going to deal with day to day people issues. You aren't going to be able to snuff that out. Two things will happen: (1) Leaders will still be managing people issues like they always have and/or (2) People issues will go unaddressed and ruin teams.

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For a first line supervisor, how much time does it really take for people issues though, especially if you are dealing with degreed, professional employees?

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amercer said:

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I don't think the problem is really AI. The problem is that their platforms are used by grandmothers now, not the younger demographics that advertisers care about.

No one under the age of 30 has ever been on facebook.if you are a teenager, that's where your grandparents post, and Instagram is where your mom spends her time.

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1. Its not AI, its H1Bs and offshoring
2. Its not AI, its just getting rid of the fat from COVID over-hiring
3. Its not AI, the company sucks and so do its products


Anything else?

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AI is disruptive and is eliminating jobs, but tech companies rise and fall all the time. AI isn't why we don't have MySpace anymore

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Agree.

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Reuters said they got Meta's internal memo today.

"4am local time. Three batches globally. HR head Janelle Gale sent staff the playbook.

The numbers:

>8,000 cut
>7,000 reassigned to new AI workflow initiatives
>Manager roles eliminated outright
>"Many leaders will announce org changes" alongside the layoffs

Gale's framing: org leaders "incorporated AI native design principles into their new org structures."



Pure people managers will become a thing of the past. There will be IC/Manager hybrids going forward. More like team leaders.

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Interesting. Would be curious to see this job description and how they are going to deal with day to day people issues. You aren't going to be able to snuff that out. Two things will happen: (1) Leaders will still be managing people issues like they always have and/or (2) People issues will go unaddressed and ruin teams.

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For a first line supervisor, how much time does it really take for people issues though, especially if you are dealing with degreed, professional employees?

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A hell of a lot in my corporate experience. Once I got into leadership my job became people. My output disappeared aside from presentations. Higher I got the less output I produced. My job was leading people and going to meetings.

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Logos Stick said:

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Reuters said they got Meta's internal memo today.

"4am local time. Three batches globally. HR head Janelle Gale sent staff the playbook.

The numbers:

>8,000 cut
>7,000 reassigned to new AI workflow initiatives
>Manager roles eliminated outright
>"Many leaders will announce org changes" alongside the layoffs

Gale's framing: org leaders "incorporated AI native design principles into their new org structures."



Pure people managers will become a thing of the past. There will be IC/Manager hybrids going forward. More like team leaders.

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Interesting. Would be curious to see this job description and how they are going to deal with day to day people issues. You aren't going to be able to snuff that out. Two things will happen: (1) Leaders will still be managing people issues like they always have and/or (2) People issues will go unaddressed and ruin teams.

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For a first line supervisor, how much time does it really take for people issues though, especially if you are dealing with degreed, professional employees?

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The trick is to have employees that are professional. They're something of a rara avis these days.

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Reuters said they got Meta's internal memo today.

"4am local time. Three batches globally. HR head Janelle Gale sent staff the playbook.

The numbers:

>8,000 cut
>7,000 reassigned to new AI workflow initiatives
>Manager roles eliminated outright
>"Many leaders will announce org changes" alongside the layoffs

Gale's framing: org leaders "incorporated AI native design principles into their new org structures."



Pure people managers will become a thing of the past. There will be IC/Manager hybrids going forward. More like team leaders.

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Interesting. Would be curious to see this job description and how they are going to deal with day to day people issues. You aren't going to be able to snuff that out. Two things will happen: (1) Leaders will still be managing people issues like they always have and/or (2) People issues will go unaddressed and ruin teams.

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For a first line supervisor, how much time does it really take for people issues though, especially if you are dealing with degreed, professional employees?

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The trick is to have employees that are professional. They're something of a rara avis these days.

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I usually did, but nothing is perfect. Over the course of 25 years, you are going to occasionally miss on a hire or inherit someone else's trash in a reorg. And then you have to determine if you can coach them up, or manage them out.

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I don't think the problem is really AI. The problem is that their platforms are used by grandmothers now, not the younger demographics that advertisers care about.

No one under the age of 30 has ever been on facebook.if you are a teenager, that's where your grandparents post, and Instagram is where your mom spends her time.

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1. Its not AI, its H1Bs and offshoring
2. Its not AI, its just getting rid of the fat from COVID over-hiring
3. Its not AI, the company sucks and so do its products


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AI is disruptive and is eliminating jobs, but tech companies rise and fall all the time. AI isn't why we don't have MySpace anymore

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Agree, but AI is the Boogeyman that is catching the blame. The wise observer recognizes those blaming AI are concealing deeper structural flaws.

Anyone here on Texags who works for Meta?

Let us know the mood inside the company.

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Still think it's funny he renamed the company to match his vision and that vision has failed and he moved on from it.

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Also somewhat funny that there is a company that had been operating under the name MetaVR since the late 1990s and they market a product to the military called VRSG (Virtual Reality Scene Generator). They were made an offer they couldn't refuse and relinquished claims to the name MetaVR and became MVR Simulations. They re-wrote their company history to remove almost every reference to MetaVR. There is one place on the website where it says in parentheses, "formerly MetaVR." I hope they got paid a lot.

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I've got a VRSG IG for our sim here at work. It's pretty good. We used it at my last job too. Their CEO is a nice guy (but don't tell infinityag).

I was wondering why they changed their name…

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Reuters said they got Meta's internal memo today.

"4am local time. Three batches globally. HR head Janelle Gale sent staff the playbook.

The numbers:

>8,000 cut
>7,000 reassigned to new AI workflow initiatives
>Manager roles eliminated outright
>"Many leaders will announce org changes" alongside the layoffs

Gale's framing: org leaders "incorporated AI native design principles into their new org structures."



Pure people managers will become a thing of the past. There will be IC/Manager hybrids going forward. More like team leaders.

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Interesting. Would be curious to see this job description and how they are going to deal with day to day people issues. You aren't going to be able to snuff that out. Two things will happen: (1) Leaders will still be managing people issues like they always have and/or (2) People issues will go unaddressed and ruin teams.

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For a first line supervisor, how much time does it really take for people issues though, especially if you are dealing with degreed, professional employees?

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A hell of a lot in my corporate experience. Once I got into leadership my job became people. My output disappeared aside from presentations. Higher I got the less output I produced. My job was leading people and going to meetings.

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Interesting. My experience was different. I would have had time to work alongside my employees had I been asked to do so. That would have come with sacrificing project management and engaging with the clients for the projects my team was working on. I think a lot of that time could have been sacrificed with no loss in productivity or quality. A lot of my involvement in those meetings was psychological for the sake of the clients.

To me, once you get beyond first line supervisor, you are dealing with strategic issues and higher level project management and less with people since you would have just a few first line supers under you. I was never at that level, but that is my perception of it. I guess that doesn't jive with your experience.

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Reuters said they got Meta's internal memo today.

"4am local time. Three batches globally. HR head Janelle Gale sent staff the playbook.

The numbers:

>8,000 cut
>7,000 reassigned to new AI workflow initiatives
>Manager roles eliminated outright
>"Many leaders will announce org changes" alongside the layoffs

Gale's framing: org leaders "incorporated AI native design principles into their new org structures."



Pure people managers will become a thing of the past. There will be IC/Manager hybrids going forward. More like team leaders.

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Interesting. Would be curious to see this job description and how they are going to deal with day to day people issues. You aren't going to be able to snuff that out. Two things will happen: (1) Leaders will still be managing people issues like they always have and/or (2) People issues will go unaddressed and ruin teams.

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For a first line supervisor, how much time does it really take for people issues though, especially if you are dealing with degreed, professional employees?

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A hell of a lot in my corporate experience. Once I got into leadership my job became people. My output disappeared aside from presentations. Higher I got the less output I produced. My job was leading people and going to meetings.

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Same here. Now throw in the fact that I have 6 dozen union folks under me along with non-bargaining. That adds to even more people management. Managing my power plant is relatively small time commitment outside budgets and people management.

Agreed - there are still a lot of good employees out there, but there are an increasing number that are coming broken from the start due to the education they're getting.

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Still think it's funny he renamed the company to match his vision and that vision has failed and he moved on from it.

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Maybe Zuck isn't as bright as we assume. He may have been in the right place at the right time which is HUGE for success. He may be bookish smart to get into Harvard.

As CEO I am not impressed. One can give him credit for buying Instagram. Everything else has been a failure including him going ape-sheet about AI and buying "top people" for millions/billions.

The $1.5 billion engineer: Meta's latest hire shows how costly the AI talent race has become
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/skr56vtpgl

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Tulloch, a key figure in Murati's fast-rising startup, reportedly received a compensation package that could be worth as much as $1.5 billion over six years, including top-tier bonuses and stock incentives, according to the Journal.

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Zuck pays his engineers very well, which is why people (mainly H1Bs) go and stay there as they are okay with abuse. Americans will not.

I predict this company will go out of business in a few years. His last chance is to strike gold in AI (whatever that means).

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I don't think the problem is really AI. The problem is that their platforms are used by grandmothers now, not the younger demographics that advertisers care about.

No one under the age of 30 has ever been on facebook.if you are a teenager, that's where your grandparents post, and Instagram is where your mom spends her time.

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1. Its not AI, its H1Bs and offshoring
2. Its not AI, its just getting rid of the fat from COVID over-hiring
3. Its not AI, the company sucks and so do its products


Anything else?

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During the 70-80s, Boeing would routinely lay off a large portion of their workers and then accept applications from everyone. They would then re-hire the competent, productive workers. It sucked but that was their business plan.

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And younger generations wonder why Boomers may be suspicious of AI? We were raised on 2001, A Space Odyssey. Computers were not to be trusted. Then The Terminator with Sky Net.

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It's the other way actually.

Boomers want AI. Boomers are also clueless about AI. Contradictory? No, because Boomers are retired/retiring and just want a cash cow for their investments. AI is the new shiny toy that boosts 401ks and IRAs. Boomers don't care about the job market. The would be okay if AI got everyone fired. To justify it, Boomers gaslight young kids that they are lazy and stupid and so it was well deserved that AI took their jobs.

Younger gens care about their job prospects. They feel AI is taking it away. So many of them hate AI and I don't blame them.

Summary

• Boomers - Love AI as it makes them money.
• Young 'uns - Hate AI as it keeps them unemployed or gets them fired.

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Reuters said they got Meta's internal memo today.

"4am local time. Three batches globally. HR head Janelle Gale sent staff the playbook.

The numbers:

>8,000 cut
>7,000 reassigned to new AI workflow initiatives
>Manager roles eliminated outright
>"Many leaders will announce org changes" alongside the layoffs

Gale's framing: org leaders "incorporated AI native design principles into their new org structures."



Pure people managers will become a thing of the past. There will be IC/Manager hybrids going forward. More like team leaders.

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Interesting. Would be curious to see this job description and how they are going to deal with day to day people issues. You aren't going to be able to snuff that out. Two things will happen: (1) Leaders will still be managing people issues like they always have and/or (2) People issues will go unaddressed and ruin teams.

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For a first line supervisor, how much time does it really take for people issues though, especially if you are dealing with degreed, professional employees?

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A hell of a lot in my corporate experience. Once I got into leadership my job became people. My output disappeared aside from presentations. Higher I got the less output I produced. My job was leading people and going to meetings.

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Interesting. My experience was different. I would have had time to work alongside my employees had I been asked to do so. That would have come with sacrificing project management and engaging with the clients for the projects my team was working on. I think a lot of that time could have been sacrificed with no loss in productivity or quality. A lot of my involvement in those meetings was psychological for the sake of the clients.

To me, once you get beyond first line supervisor, you are dealing with strategic issues and higher level project management and less with people since you would have just a few first line supers under you. I was never at that level, but that is my perception of it. I guess that doesn't jive with your experience.

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Likely a function of company culture and job function/industry type. We were a hands on people culture. I obviously had managers underneath me as I rose higher, but those managers still needed leading too and I was still involved with their direct reports to some degree.

Not to hijack my own thread, but Intuit just announced layoffs:

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Intuit is laying off about 17% of its workforce, or about 3,000 employees worldwide, to streamline operations and sharpen focus on its key bets including its AI efforts, according to an internal memo seen by Reuters on Wednesday.

The company has signed multi-year deals with AI startups Anthropic and OpenAI to integrate their AI models into its software, and add Intuit's personalized tax, finance, accounting and marketing capabilities into Claude and ChatGPT.

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https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/intuit-cut-17-global-jobs-streamline-operations-memo-shows-2026-05-20/