I figured this thread might have been about the Veritasium video, which was mostly about how amazing a company Monsanto is…

You made a very broad, non specific generalization that there was clearly something wrong with our food supply.

I asked a simple question to which you used AI to answer.

We have the most abundant and safest food supply in the world. We also have the most efficient production agriculture systems in the world. Thankfully so. We do have serious problems with over consumption, lack of balance coupled with a lack of exercise to name a few. Bread in itself isn't bad. Any other food groups you wish to shed light on?

Not picking on you. Just curious.

This is how the entire climate change industry works.

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Pretty sure this stuff was a factor in the death of my grandfather and the leukemia my uncle experienced ~10 years ago.

Given its broad use and the impact it has had on changing the crops we grow and consume (saying nothing of legal action Monsanto itself has levied on roundup ready plant genes spreading) the herbicide should be relentlessly reviewed and questioned.

Not calling for a ban, but anyone spouting off that it's perfectly safe and no need to worry is playing a fool.

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More studies? Glyphosate is easily the most studied and mischaracterized herbicide in history. The EPA, EU, and others have deemed it safe for use as labeled, repeatedly . By now it should be obvious that if glyphosate was anywhere near the bad boy as claimed by anti-corporate distractors it would not still be here.

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Why you are pretty sure it gave him leukemia?

Do you feel same about 24D? Triclopyr? Any others? Why specifically glyphosate?

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Pardon - semantic error on my part. He had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. Grandfather was the one who died of leukemia a matter of months after diagnosis. Neighbor's dad died of the same not long after spraying his property with Triclopyr from a four-wheeler.

We also use 24D, Triclopyr, and others. I get their value in the field, but having been present through that family illness and death bed, I will forever strictly treat them as poison and go to any / all measures to avoid contact, forever.

It irritates the living piss out me that it's advertised as harmless and used so heavily in the food chain. Nothing in this world can be used in excess without consequences.

You do realize that sometimes people just get cancer and leukemia right? There doesn't always have to be a triggering agent.

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It irritates the living piss out me that it's advertised as harmless and used so heavily in the food chain. Nothing in this world can be used in excess without consequences.

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How is it used so "heavily" in the food chain, and what happens to it after it is used? That second point is crucial - glyphosate is a very weak chemical in the environment.

Sure. Doesn't change anything for me.

I'm fully aware correlation =/= causation and causation in medicine is nigh on impossible to establish in many cases, but bearing witness to some half dozen deaths and life-threatening illnesses by farmers in our community in the last couple of years, and now being at an age where I'm starting a family and have to contemplate number of years ahead with kids - I give zero slack to believing any product advisory.

Not out of ignorant superstition or a disbelief in science, but because I've seen downstream correlated happenings in living color and have myself been one of those consultants engaged to play fast and loose with marketing and statistics to promote a desired financial outcome (for real estate, not chemical production - full disclaimer).

We still use these products in our farm and ranching operations, but with a level of seriousness now as though they're cancer-causing agents. Not like they're just harmless agents which only affect undesirable plants, which generally speaking is how they're marketed.

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This is how the entire climate change industry works.

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Climate is much worse. Here, if the researchers had done their research and IF it had been shown to be carcinogenic, still would have been published.

Try getting something published against the orthodoxy in the climate lit now. I suspect you would not have "much" luck. :-)

But leukemia has been trending down in cases and deaths for decades. Don't you think we'd have a correlated explosion in cases as glyphosate has also exploded in use?

I've become concerned about replication in educational studies. Many districts, with good intentions, buy into programs or curriculum in an attempt to fix some of the challenges they face and end up buying a bunch of nothing. I worry about how this is decided and what can be put in place so that districts don't buy the new shiny toy in an attempt to fix issues.

Has farming per capita been trending up too?

Fitch said:

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Has farming per capita been trending up too?

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Are farmers the only people exposed to glyphosate?