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How does this make you feel, @VivekGRamaswamy ? pic.twitter.com/Us2Ua7991S

— Just Loki (@LokiJulianus) December 26, 2024

Vivek is seething at this image

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From my new post at SteveSailer dot Net:

"Vivek Ramaswamy shares with us painful memories of his being cheated out of his rightful status as the most popular boy in high school in Ohio. America needs a culture where the spelling bee champ gets the hot blonde girls!"

Link below https://t.co/uJrUqGvvdy

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) December 27, 2024

It's very obvious he's seething at his experiences in high school. I knew guys like him back then and they thought they were hot **** in everything and hated how the jocks got the attention.

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He's correct about cultural decay in much of America regarding work ethic. Many Americans can do this stuff but due to our local work conditions and economic conditions and living standards expectations, many Americans don't see the incentive to work much harder academically and with time commitment versus the relative gain in income potential, partly because that potential is eroded by cheaper foreign labor that is often less skilled (pseudo-degrees and certs) but also is under far more circumstantial duress to succeed at any cost.
It becomes a simple calculation of short term gains with "good enough" work output that is very inexpensive versus much higher labor costs competing for high quality work.domestic workers by orividing sufficient incentive to motivate them.

The reality is that a pool of 1.4billion gives you about 4x the number of exceptional individuals from which to choose, so if the job is based on outright intellectual capacity, India will have a numbers edge. The only question then is the quality of their education and training.

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Americans are still the most intelligent in the world.

With the latest PISA results, America has proven once again that it has one of the smartest populations and, perhaps, the best education systems.

American Asians and Whites topped the charts; American Hispanics beat all other Hispanics; American Blacks did well.

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Means first pic.twitter.com/vanvjHo97J

— Crémieux (@cremieuxrecueil) December 5, 2023

India stopped reporting their PISA scores in 2009 when their scores ranked 72nd out of 73 reporting countries.

If a quality coder requires a 130 IQ, the US has a pool of around 7.5 million. India has an average IQ of 82. Their professional class has an average IQ of 88. Their professionals with a post graduate degree have an average IQ of 94. Probably a good guess their professional class primarily consists of individuals from the top two castes that constitute around 30% of the country. Back of the napkin math would put around 1.1 million above a 130 IQ in the upper castes and around 0.3 million above a 130 IQ in the lower castes.

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Yep. By a pure numbers game, it's obvious what is going on. Anyone who has seen the data knows importing 500 million Indians will make this nation demonstrably worse if only from an IQ perspective.

Regression to the mean.

Regression to the mean.

Regression to the mean.

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Coincidentally, Vivek's homeland!

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Vivek was born in Cincinnati. Ohio, not India.

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A dog born in a stable is not a horse. He's an Indian with a birth certificate.

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I'll concede this much - you ARE consistent with your assumption game...

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That is a fact, not an assumption. He's not American and no amount of paperwork will change that.

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Are only whites American?

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If your family showed up after Hart-Celler, you are not American. You are just visiting.

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That's factually not true. That is called an opinion, and one that seems to stem from a personal belief that only white Europeans can be considered eligible to be Americans, at least according to your posting history.

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Heritage Americans at a minimum trace their ancestry back to when the Frontier was active. Anyone who came after the nation was settled is not really going to understand what it means to be an American because they have no connection to their ancestors settling and/or conquering an untamed land.

Regression to the mean.

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Mexicans have more kids than whites, it's not just migration

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Not anymore they don't. All of Latin America is under the US replacement rate wise, including Mexico.

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akm91 said:

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That chart is so misleading. It's comparing scores of countries to specific US ethnicity.

In the 2022 scores, USA came in 18th, well behind the Asian countries, as well as Canada and many European countries.

Yes, there is a cultural problem in the US.

2022 PISA Score

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Seems like a race problem to me.

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Yeah, whites are not as smart as chinese based on your assumptions.

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Ag with kids said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Yes, he is lying in saying that there is not enough homegrown talent in America.

There are hardworking and talented Americans laid off every day who are better suited for their jobs than their foreign replacements, but the foreigners are cheaper.

He wants cheap foreign immigrants from his homeland so he can increase his own influence in America. He is making excuses for why he wants to import labor because he won't admit he favors Indians like himself.

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You sound pretty racist...

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This is why I don't trust anyone who supports H1-B. I assume the primary reason they support is because they either want to import cheap labor or because they want to import more of their ethnic cohorts.

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FWIW, I never said I support H1-Bs.

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That chart is so misleading. It's comparing scores of countries to specific US ethnicity.

In the 2022 scores, USA came in 18th, well behind the Asian countries, as well as Canada and many European countries.

Yes, there is a cultural problem in the US.

2022 PISA Score

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Yes, and most of the rest of the world does not have the diversity that we do and their nations are homogenous so to get an accurate comparison, you have to break down the US by race.

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akm91 said:

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That chart is so misleading. It's comparing scores of countries to specific US ethnicity.

In the 2022 scores, USA came in 18th, well behind the Asian countries, as well as Canada and many European countries.

Yes, there is a cultural problem in the US.

2022 PISA Score

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Seems like a race problem to me.

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Yeah, whites are not as smart as chinese based on your assumptions.

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Oh well. They make pretty good societies and so do we. Not very compatible for each other, but good nonetheless.

The other races, not so great!

Per Luke Gromen on X:

"You show me an incentive, I'll show you an outcome" -Munger

For the entire adult lives of Gen X & some younger Boomers, post-1971 USD reserve status structure has incentivized Americans away fr engineering/trades towards finance

That's the "culture" element that needs changing."

Thoughts?

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VerdeAg said:

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How does this make you feel, @VivekGRamaswamy ? pic.twitter.com/Us2Ua7991S

— Just Loki (@LokiJulianus) December 26, 2024

Vivek is seething at this image

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From my new post at SteveSailer dot Net:

"Vivek Ramaswamy shares with us painful memories of his being cheated out of his rightful status as the most popular boy in high school in Ohio. America needs a culture where the spelling bee champ gets the hot blonde girls!"

Link below https://t.co/uJrUqGvvdy

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) December 27, 2024

It's very obvious he's seething at his experiences in high school. I knew guys like him back then and they thought they were hot **** in everything and hated how the jocks got the attention.

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Certainly explains why he didn't like DeSantis who was a jock who got the girls and went to the same Ivies he did.

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That chart is so misleading. It's comparing scores of countries to specific US ethnicity.

In the 2022 scores, USA came in 18th, well behind the Asian countries, as well as Canada and many European countries.

Yes, there is a cultural problem in the US.

2022 PISA Score

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Seems like a race problem to me.

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Yeah, whites are not as smart as chinese based on your assumptions.

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That's literally one of the most replicated findings in psychology and psychometrics.

Damn, 9 pages of this **** and were arguing Apples to Oranges.


The culture is broken and needs to be repaired. Importing Indians ain't fixing the culture and isn't good for America.

There! End thread!

Also, feel like I'm watching "Gung Ho" remake in the 2024 version. (All America should watch this old movie)

I'm actually glad to see this. It is an interesting breakdown given how multicultural snd multiethnic the USA is.

I'm not against bringing in exceptional or needed foreign intellectual talent, but the current H1B system is a titanic fraud and everyone involved knows or suspects it. It's just a different form of international social justice as well. Spread wealth and opportunity to a target population, but it's been obvious for years that fake job requisitions are being created that are custom written in coordination with H1B contractors so only their dubiously credentialed applicants meet the requirements, and at no surprise at a very cut rate with no negotiating power, helping drive down skilled labor rates broadly across the market domestically.
This is chamber of commerce corruption.

Looking for foreign talent for a US job has always been about cost. If you go after the undocumented workers, there is a discount because their labor market has fewer options. Go after the H1B market and they have challenges moving to other employers. In both cases you can pay them less than American citizens.

That is the main reason. I'm not saying it's always easy to find an American worker for every skill level and willing to work 70 hours for a company when another is only requiring 40. It's not lazy choosing the 40 hrs vs 70 hrs if everything else is equal. You're a fool or desperate to do so.

Zing! They'll still write the headline "Vivek refuses to condemn white supremacy."
Vivek is a master communicator. I hope he continues to have a big role for Trump and our country in the future.

Vivek is an enemy to America and her interests. Clearly cares more about India/Indians he should be stripped of citizenship and so should Elon

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Zing! They'll still write the headline "Vivek refuses to condemn white supremacy."
Vivek is a master communicator. I hope he continues to have a big role for Trump and our country in the future.

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The Indian con man lost all good faith he had yesterday. All because he wants to import his ethnic tribe.

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That chart is so misleading. It's comparing scores of countries to specific US ethnicity.

In the 2022 scores, USA came in 18th, well behind the Asian countries, as well as Canada and many European countries.

Yes, there is a cultural problem in the US.

2022 PISA Score

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Yes, and most of the rest of the world does not have the diversity that we do and their nations are homogenous so to get an accurate comparison, you have to break down the US by race.

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The dominate race in Singapore is Chinese at 75% with Malays next at 15%. Pretty similar in % to the US with regards to the make up of the two largest races.

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akm91 said:

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That chart is so misleading. It's comparing scores of countries to specific US ethnicity.

In the 2022 scores, USA came in 18th, well behind the Asian countries, as well as Canada and many European countries.

Yes, there is a cultural problem in the US.

2022 PISA Score

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Yes, and most of the rest of the world does not have the diversity that we do and their nations are homogenous so to get an accurate comparison, you have to break down the US by race.

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The dominate race in Singapore is Chinese at 75% with Malays next at 15%. Pretty similar in % to the US with regards to the make up of the two largest races.

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While true, Singapore is a city state. Not really comparable to a nation of 330 million people. They can pick and choose who gets to live there easily.

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Damn, 9 pages of this **** and were arguing Apples to Oranges.


The culture is broken and needs to be repaired. Importing Indians ain't fixing the culture and isn't good for America.

There! End thread!

Also, feel like I'm watching "Gung Ho" remake in the 2024 version. (All America should watch this old movie)

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One of Michael Keaton's best movies.

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Damn, 9 pages of this **** and were arguing Apples to Oranges.


The culture is broken and needs to be repaired. Importing Indians ain't fixing the culture and isn't good for America.

There! End thread!

Also, feel like I'm watching "Gung Ho" remake in the 2024 version. (All America should watch this old movie)

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One of Michael Keaton's best movies.

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One of Long Duk Dong's best movies as well

Where would America be without Viveks coming in and defrauding shareholders of 2 billion dollars worth of fake dementia medicine pic.twitter.com/R8LjcK6qOh

— Spinachbrah 🥗 (@basedspinach) December 26, 2024

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Where would America be without Viveks coming in and defrauding shareholders of 2 billion dollars worth of fake dementia medicine pic.twitter.com/R8LjcK6qOh

— Spinachbrah 🥗 (@basedspinach) December 26, 2024

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Okay, so is everyone who thought Vivek was one of the greatest things since sliced bread by the right now persona non grata?

And can the same be said about Elon as well, or is he getting a little less harsh treatment?

According to Census Bureau data, the US has more than 2x as many American workers with STEM degrees as there are STEM jobs. And many of the STEM jobs that do exist go to foreigners, because our immigration system allows them to legally be paid less.

But sure, it’s the tv shows. https://t.co/BW1Qegib6P

— Rachel Bovard (@rachelbovard) December 26, 2024

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Where would America be without Viveks coming in and defrauding shareholders of 2 billion dollars worth of fake dementia medicine pic.twitter.com/R8LjcK6qOh

— Spinachbrah 🥗 (@basedspinach) December 26, 2024

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Okay, so is everyone who thought Vivek was one of the greatest things since sliced bread by the right now persona non grata?

And can the same be said about Elon as well, or is he getting a little less harsh treatment?

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Vivek is much more of a hanger on. Elon still has some good will because his companies are actual useful to America and he helped a lot with X to change the narrative prior to the election.

Anyone who ever trusted Vivek has suspect intelligence. He has always been a flip flopping con man. The only thing he was ever good for was bringing up previously niche right wing talking points. Not because he ever believed them, but because he found it politically expedient. Even then, most people I know who believed in those talking points would never vote for him because he is an obvious con man.

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Anyone who ever trusted Vivek has suspect intelligence. He has always been a flip flopping con man.

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**** both of them

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Where would America be without Viveks coming in and defrauding shareholders of 2 billion dollars worth of fake dementia medicine pic.twitter.com/R8LjcK6qOh

— Spinachbrah 🥗 (@basedspinach) December 26, 2024

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Okay, so is everyone who thought Vivek was one of the greatest things since sliced bread by the right now persona non grata?

And can the same be said about Elon as well, or is he getting a little less harsh treatment?

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As long as Elon allows the conversation to happen he's fine. He can selfishly import wage slaves all day long but as long as people have a voice on X he's going to get a pass.

Some are going to point out a few blue checkmarks being stripped but that's not the same as platform-wide censorship

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Vivek just exposed a massive rift between the Musk/Vivek "tech right" and the American nationalists.

We dont want any more Indians. We dont want any more third world immigration period. Hell, most of us don't want anyone from Norway or Hungary either. We have enough people. We need to convince Americans to get off their asses and make ween companies off the third world labor teat.

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But when Chad and Karen would rather live at home with mom and dad instead of getting the jobs the third world immigrants like Vivek are happily taking, what else can be done except to hire them? Wages have gone to and Chad and Karen still would rather stay home than work. How else do you convince them to work when it's obvious they don't want to.

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Jocks don't sit at home after school. I have never known any jock who did this. They all went on to be very successful. The people who stayed at home were those who did nothing in high school beyond school.

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You must not know a lot of jocks at urban schools. Many are low life thugs and trash after high school.

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Vivek just exposed a massive rift between the Musk/Vivek "tech right" and the American nationalists.

We dont want any more Indians. We dont want any more third world immigration period. Hell, most of us don't want anyone from Norway or Hungary either. We have enough people. We need to convince Americans to get off their asses and make ween companies off the third world labor teat.

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But when Chad and Karen would rather live at home with mom and dad instead of getting the jobs the third world immigrants like Vivek are happily taking, what else can be done except to hire them? Wages have gone to and Chad and Karen still would rather stay home than work. How else do you convince them to work when it's obvious they don't want to.

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Jocks don't sit at home after school. I have never known any jock who did this. They all went on to be very successful. The people who stayed at home were those who did nothing in high school beyond school.

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You must not know a lot of jocks at urban schools. Many are low life thugs and trash after high school.

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I would not consider those people jocks. When someone says "jock" they think of the QB, not the CB.