There was a quiet battle between DeSantis and JD Vance

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11:00a, 11/20/24
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JD hopefully learned a little lesson yesterday. There was a radical Leftist Judge confirmed yesterday, so radical that Manchin voted against and he was approved 49-45. There were 5 GOP Senators that didn't show up to vote and if they had it would have made it 50-49 unless Fetterman made it in to vote. DeSantis sends out this tweet first.



JD Vance took it personally and put out this response and then deleted it later.


DeSantis tweet wasn't even about Vance personally, it was about all of the GOP Senators that didn't show up to vote.



Then Trump weighed in.


Not a big deal but an interesting little inside battle that DeSantis won yesterday. He was particularly upset about this crazy leftist because she is going to be on the Appeals Court that covers Florida for Life now. He is focused on governance and Vance looked pretty bad in this with the attitude and got slapped on the wrist by Trump, Musk also has been talking about how we need to do everything we can to stop these last minute Judges being appointed.

Don't want a war but I do hope Vance learns a lesson from this as well as the other GOP Senators that think their time is more valuable doing something other than their actual job right now. It's also interesting that Trump came out and effectively agreed with DeSantis and made Vance go delete his post.
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11:04a, 11/20/24
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I'm glad Vance is going to be VP, but he needs to do his job until the new session starts (which is January 3 or something like that). Once the new session starts, he will be free to do as he wants because Democrats won't be in the majority anymore, even though Trump and Vance will not be sworn in until January 20.
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11:36a, 11/20/24
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As the incoming VP you would think he could rally the GOP to freaking show up. At the very least, it would shine a spotlight on the situation.

Bad JD.
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11:45a, 11/20/24
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I like JD a lot but he is very inexperienced and is going to make some mistakes like this. Hopefully he learns from it and doesn't get petty for being called out. This is the big leagues and he basically just got called up after spending a few weeks in the minors.
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11:47a, 11/20/24
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Why single JD out and not the others........already plotting against him for the 2028 election OP?

All need to be singled out for not voting.....not just the presumptive 2028 Presidential Candidate....



The other GOP Senators not showing up to vote....

Mike Braun (Indiana)
Steve Daines (Montana)
Bill Hagerty (Tennessee)
Marco Rubio (Florida)
J.D. Vance (Ohio)
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11:49a, 11/20/24
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The Dems have 50 Senators and the tie break - this means they can add as many of those members to approve these judges - this is a very low level distraction. If JD showed up, and a few more RNC - then DNC would match, and eventually win. Not sure why this is an issue - other than an unhealthy love for DeSantis.
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In reply to Bird Poo • 11:50a, 11/20/24
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As the incoming VP you would think he could rally the GOP to freaking show up. At the very least, it would shine a spotlight on the situation.

Bad JD.
Yep, gotta be fair...this is a strike against him. And I really like him. Hopefully a wake up call/lesson learned. He could have rallied the GOP and also worked channels with the very few reasonable dems remaining. Or at least tried. DO YOUR MOTHERF***ING JOB.
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11:54a, 11/20/24
I don't understand this at all
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In reply to FriendlyAg • 11:55a, 11/20/24
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FriendlyAg said:
I don't understand this at all
Neither does DeSantis
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In reply to Welloiledmachine04 • 11:56a, 11/20/24
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Welloiledmachine04 said:
The Dems have 50 Senators and the tie break - this means they can add as many of those members to approve these judges - this is a very low level distraction. If JD showed up, and a few more RNC - then DNC would match, and eventually win. Not sure why this is an issue - other than an unhealthy love for DeSantis.


Manchin voted against

You are wrong, wrong as humanly possible
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11:59a, 11/20/24
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This is a non issue. Dems would have passed the judge if all the gop showed up to vote or they would have delayed the vote to when they had the numbers.
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In reply to astros4545 • 12:03p, 11/20/24
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astros4545 said:
Welloiledmachine04 said:
The Dems have 50 Senators and the tie break - this means they can add as many of those members to approve these judges - this is a very low level distraction. If JD showed up, and a few more RNC - then DNC would match, and eventually win. Not sure why this is an issue - other than an unhealthy love for DeSantis.


Manchin voted against

You are wrong, wrong as humanly possible


It's 51-49. Even if Machin voted against they had the numbers to pass.
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In reply to Viper16 • 12:06p, 11/20/24
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Why single JD out and not the others........already plotting against him for the 2028 election OP?

All need to be singled out for not voting.....not just the presumptive 2028 Presidential Candidate....



The other GOP Senators not showing up to vote....

Mike Braun (Indiana)
Steve Daines (Montana)
Bill Hagerty (Tennessee)
Marco Rubio (Florida)
J.D. Vance (Ohio)


Vance wasn't singled out. Desantis & others made a general complaint and Vance took it personally.
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12:06p, 11/20/24
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JD and Mario screwed upโ€ฆ..DeSantis needs to hammer them.
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In reply to Welloiledmachine04 • 12:08p, 11/20/24
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Welloiledmachine04 said:
The Dems have 50 Senators and the tie break - this means they can add as many of those members to approve these judges - this is a very low level distraction. If JD showed up, and a few more RNC - then DNC would match, and eventually win. Not sure why this is an issue - other than an unhealthy love for DeSantis.
make the dems show up. You can be a fan of JD and still admit he should be onsite. This is a tactical error on all of the senators that aren't present.
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In reply to Yesterday • 12:10p, 11/20/24
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No they did not. Once Manchin defected they only had 50 total and the VP for the tie-breaker. Except Harris was in Hawaii and Fetterman did not show up. That meant if all Republicans showed up and voted then it would be 50 against to 49 for and the appointment would have failed. Even if Fetterman showed up they did not have Harris for the tie-breaker.

This was a major major fail by some Republican senators.
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In reply to Schrute Farms • 12:15p, 11/20/24
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Schrute Farms said:
Viper16 said:
Why single JD out and not the others........already plotting against him for the 2028 election OP?

All need to be singled out for not voting.....not just the presumptive 2028 Presidential Candidate....



The other GOP Senators not showing up to vote....

Mike Braun (Indiana)
Steve Daines (Montana)
Bill Hagerty (Tennessee)
Marco Rubio (Florida)
J.D. Vance (Ohio)


Vance wasn't singled out. Desantis & others made a general complaint and Vance took it personally.
Exactly.

JD singled himself out. And the excuse that he was picking an FBI director nominee so he couldn't make it to vote is laughable on its face.

People mess up. All the time. Adults own up to it.
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In reply to aggie93 • 12:24p, 11/20/24
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I like JD a lot but he is very inexperienced and is going to make some mistakes like this.
Yep. This is not so much about JD not showing up for the vote as it is JD not stepping up in his leadership role to make sure everyone showed up to vote.

Honestly, that is a very tall ask for a guy in his position.

Huge JD fan. Super excited about his leadership going forward. I don't see this as a mistake as much as I see it as a significant missed opportunity. But, no one bats 1.000. God bless JD.
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Welloiledmachine04 said:
FriendlyAg said:
I don't understand this at all
Neither does DeSantis


Lol, yeah sure
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12:33p, 11/20/24
"Battle" is quite the stretch here!

This wasn't even a "tiff"
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Congress shouldn't even be in session until January.
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In reply to aginresearch • 12:46p, 11/20/24
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aginresearch said:
No they did not. Once Manchin defected they only had 50 total and the VP for the tie-breaker. Except Harris was in Hawaii and Fetterman did not show up. That meant if all Republicans showed up and voted then it would be 50 against to 49 for and the appointment would have failed. Even if Fetterman showed up they did not have Harris for the tie-breaker.

This was a major major fail by some Republican senators.



Geez man. If they didn't have the votes they would have done two things, delay it or simply vote again. And I'll bet Manchin only defected because they let him. His no vote would most assuredly turn to yes if they needed it.
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In reply to Yesterday • 12:58p, 11/20/24
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Yesterday said:
This is a non issue. Dems would have passed the judge if all the gop showed up to vote or they would have delayed the vote to when they had the numbers.
And that's the point. Don't make it easy for them. Schumer wants to ram through as many appointments as possible in the final weeks, but the time is very limited. MAKE THEM WORK FOR EVERY ONE.

EVERY delay to the process will result in less leftist judges confirmed. As Harris was in Hawaii, the prospect of breaking a 50-50 tie would have to wait days, possibly weeks to happen, as everyone wants to leave for Thanksgiving. Plus, it wasn't a given that Fetterman would have shown. It's entirely possible that they could have outright voted down the nomination.

But we just gave the Dems an easy win, and a lifetime appointment with little fanfare.

Interviewing FBI candidates is an important job, but it's not time sensitive. This vote was.

Swing and a miss by Vance to lash out over the callout. The callout was justified.

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Yesterday said:
aginresearch said:
No they did not. Once Manchin defected they only had 50 total and the VP for the tie-breaker. Except Harris was in Hawaii and Fetterman did not show up. That meant if all Republicans showed up and voted then it would be 50 against to 49 for and the appointment would have failed. Even if Fetterman showed up they did not have Harris for the tie-breaker.

This was a major major fail by some Republican senators.



Geez man. If they didn't have the votes they would have done two things, delay it or simply vote again. And I'll bet Manchin only defected because they let him. His no vote would most assuredly turn to yes if they needed it.
This times a thousand.

Do you think Manchin wanted to block the approval?
If, so, he would have had a much better chance blocking if he went to X or emailed the GOP to form a plan. Especially publicly. Is he that dumb?

Instead, I believe he kept it secret, then had a safe, "rogue" vote, knowing JD and Rubio had much more important things to do.

Gave Murdock and uniparty types something to chip away to divide the massive red wave that they can no longer control.

Be skeptical of Fox News - just my opinion.



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Yesterday said:
aginresearch said:
No they did not. Once Manchin defected they only had 50 total and the VP for the tie-breaker. Except Harris was in Hawaii and Fetterman did not show up. That meant if all Republicans showed up and voted then it would be 50 against to 49 for and the appointment would have failed. Even if Fetterman showed up they did not have Harris for the tie-breaker.

This was a major major fail by some Republican senators.



Geez man. If they didn't have the votes they would have done two things, delay it or simply vote again. And I'll bet Manchin only defected because they let him. His no vote would most assuredly turn to yes if they needed it.
Manchin is a lame duck Independent. You also have multiple lame duck Democrats. You don't make it easy on them.
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In reply to Welloiledmachine04 • 1:02p, 11/20/24
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Welloiledmachine04 said:
The Dems have 50 Senators and the tie break - this means they can add as many of those members to approve these judges - this is a very low level distraction. If JD showed up, and a few more RNC - then DNC would match, and eventually win. Not sure why this is an issue - other than an unhealthy love for DeSantis.
Trump disagrees with you. So does Elon. Carry on though.
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Yesterday said:
This is a non issue. Dems would have passed the judge if all the gop showed up to vote or they would have delayed the vote to when they had the numbers.
And that's the point. Don't make it easy for them. Schumer wants to ram through as many appointments as possible in the final weeks, but the time is very limited. MAKE THEM WORK FOR EVERY ONE.

EVERY delay to the process will result in less leftist judges confirmed. As Harris was in Hawaii, the prospect of breaking a 50-50 tie would have to wait days, possibly weeks to happen, as everyone wants to leave for Thanksgiving. Plus, it wasn't a given that Fetterman would have shown. It's entirely possible that they could have outright voted down the nomination.

But we just gave the Dems an easy win, and a lifetime appointment with little fanfare.

Interviewing FBI candidates is an important job, but it's not time sensitive. This vote was.

Swing and a miss by Vance to lash out over the callout. The callout was justified.

This. Floor time is limited. If they really wanted this particular judge, then they could arrange to have the vote at a time when Harris and every D Senator could be there, but that would limit their ability to get other nominees confirmed.
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aggie93 said:
Welloiledmachine04 said:
The Dems have 50 Senators and the tie break - this means they can add as many of those members to approve these judges - this is a very low level distraction. If JD showed up, and a few more RNC - then DNC would match, and eventually win. Not sure why this is an issue - other than an unhealthy love for DeSantis.
Trump disagrees with you. So does Elon. Carry on though.
This was just a gimmick - political stunt. Why didn't Manchin telegraph this plan to block the nominee?
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And I'll bet Manchin only defected because they let him. His no vote would most assuredly turn to yes if they needed it.
Manchin is on his way out and being replaced by a Republican. Not sure how many more votes he needs to worry about trading.
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PA24 said:
JD and Mario screwed upโ€ฆ..DeSantis needs to hammer them.


Who is Mario?
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Welloiledmachine04 said:
aggie93 said:
Welloiledmachine04 said:
The Dems have 50 Senators and the tie break - this means they can add as many of those members to approve these judges - this is a very low level distraction. If JD showed up, and a few more RNC - then DNC would match, and eventually win. Not sure why this is an issue - other than an unhealthy love for DeSantis.
Trump disagrees with you. So does Elon. Carry on though.
This was just a gimmick - political stunt. Why didn't Manchin telegraph this plan to block the nominee?
I would expect they knew Manchin was voting against, that's what you have whip counts for.

This is the nitty gritty of how things happen. You probably also think that Thune winning the Majority Leader easily couldn't have been prevented. This is why Trump needs some folks who know how to play the game along with folks who have great ideas but are learning on the job. FWIW plenty of blame to go around on this vote. All 5 Senators. Thune. McConnell. Wiles.

Vance just made the mistake of putting out that tweet which he quickly deleted. Trump making his post later just was a rough look for him. Nothing fatal or even a big deal. It's the kind of thing that only people who really follow the sausage making notice but those are the people who actually get things done in the House and Senate. I think Vance is a smart guy and humble enough to learn from a mistake, I hope he does as he is a very talented guy who I want to see as a major figure in the Party long term.
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This is pretty early in the program to be attacking Vance.......

All you DeSantis supporters should give the newly elected VP a little time before campaigning against him.

There will time enough for that down the road.

It's never good to let a leftist like Kidd be put on the bench!

However, we still have a Senate Minority leader, Mitch McConnell, that should have insured the Kidd nomination would have been fought over vehemently....

McConnell is the real turd in the punch bowl
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In reply to Viper16 • 1:25p, 11/20/24
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This is pretty early in the program to be attacking Vance.......

All you DeSantis supporters should give the newly elected VP a little time before campaigning against him.

There will time enough for that down the road.

It's never good to let a leftist like Kidd be put on the bench!

However, we still have a Senate Minority leader, Mitch McConnell, that should have insured the Kidd nomination would have been fought over vehemently....

McConnell is the real turd in the punch bowl
He isn't being campaigned against. Between this and claiming that JD was singled out, you're being overly defensive.
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