Infection_Ag11 said:
People expecting 35 million deportations are going to be extremely disappointed. There will be more extensive deportation of criminal aliens and, at most, a sizable cohort of single young male deportations. Trump isn't stupid enough to give the democrats the visual of soldiers dragging hundreds of thousands of tax paying families across the border. Moreover, the immediate economic shock of doing something like that would drive prices in certain sectors so high that nobody will remember anything else about his second term. It's a lose/lose.
So now they're worried about the price of groceries? Laughable.infinity ag said:
CNN starts more propaganda.
Grocery prices are high. Trump's mass deportations could make matters worse
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/economy/economy-trump-deportation-grocery-inflation/index.html
f1ghtintexasaggie said:Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
I'm all for stopping illegal immigration but you guys are willing to set some bad precedents here for that sake.
It's not one we want to set. Circumstances demand it.
Which is heinous and a violation of civil libertiesInfection_Ag11 said:Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:For them to talk to you, they have to pull you over. To pull you over, they have to suspect you of a crime/violation.Infection_Ag11 said:Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
They can ask all day long. They can't require it unless you are detained because they have reasonable evidence to suspect you of having committed or about to commit a crime.
One, if you are driving this is not true. And because the vast majority of ID requests from non-criminals occurs during traffic stops, refusing to provide ID effectively amounts to legal justification for detention for most people most of the time.
Second, judges across the country and at the federal level have consistently upheld evidence found during supposedly illegal detentions/searches. If you refuse to show ID, many authorities/agents/officers will use that as justification in the moment then look for ANY reason to make it stick.
All they have to do is say they suspected you of such. There is virtually no burden of proof requirement for authorities in these instances. For example (annd a common scenario), an officer finding weed on you during a search who post-facto claims he suspected you of having weed will win every time.
Why was the suspect stopped? They didn't use their blinker, they didn't come to a complete stop, or a broken tail light. They can't just stop you because they suspect you of having weed.Infection_Ag11 said:Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:For them to talk to you, they have to pull you over. To pull you over, they have to suspect you of a crime/violation.Infection_Ag11 said:Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
They can ask all day long. They can't require it unless you are detained because they have reasonable evidence to suspect you of having committed or about to commit a crime.
One, if you are driving this is not true. And because the vast majority of ID requests from non-criminals occurs during traffic stops, refusing to provide ID effectively amounts to legal justification for detention for most people most of the time.
Second, judges across the country and at the federal level have consistently upheld evidence found during supposedly illegal detentions/searches. If you refuse to show ID, many authorities/agents/officers will use that as justification in the moment then look for ANY reason to make it stick.
All they have to do is say they suspected you of such. There is virtually no burden of proof requirement for authorities in these instances. For example (annd a common scenario), an officer finding weed on you during a search who post-facto claims he suspected you of having weed will win every time.
ts5641 said:So now they're worried about the price of groceries? Laughable.infinity ag said:
CNN starts more propaganda.
Grocery prices are high. Trump's mass deportations could make matters worse
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/economy/economy-trump-deportation-grocery-inflation/index.html
That's not true at all, my friend. You can become "illegal" if you overstay your visa or lose your employment sponsorship.infinity ag said:Infection_Ag11 said:
People expecting 35 million deportations are going to be extremely disappointed. There will be more extensive deportation of criminal aliens and, at most, a sizable cohort of single young male deportations. Trump isn't stupid enough to give the democrats the visual of soldiers dragging hundreds of thousands of tax paying families across the border. Moreover, the immediate economic shock of doing something like that would drive prices in certain sectors so high that nobody will remember anything else about his second term. It's a lose/lose.
Do illegals pay taxes?
How?
They won't have SSNs.
I know of a gentleman who worked for a friend who had an SSN and driver's license. He paid all of the taxes that everyone else paid, even though he was here illegally. Eventually, he was caught and detained by ICE.infinity ag said:Infection_Ag11 said:
People expecting 35 million deportations are going to be extremely disappointed. There will be more extensive deportation of criminal aliens and, at most, a sizable cohort of single young male deportations. Trump isn't stupid enough to give the democrats the visual of soldiers dragging hundreds of thousands of tax paying families across the border. Moreover, the immediate economic shock of doing something like that would drive prices in certain sectors so high that nobody will remember anything else about his second term. It's a lose/lose.
Do illegals pay taxes?
How?
They won't have SSNs.
tysker said:That's not true at all, my friend. You can become "illegal" if you overstay your visa or lose your employment sponsorship.infinity ag said:Infection_Ag11 said:
People expecting 35 million deportations are going to be extremely disappointed. There will be more extensive deportation of criminal aliens and, at most, a sizable cohort of single young male deportations. Trump isn't stupid enough to give the democrats the visual of soldiers dragging hundreds of thousands of tax paying families across the border. Moreover, the immediate economic shock of doing something like that would drive prices in certain sectors so high that nobody will remember anything else about his second term. It's a lose/lose.
Do illegals pay taxes?
How?
They won't have SSNs.
Also Social Security is a ponzi scheme and should be drawn down
Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:I know of a gentleman who worked for a friend who had an SSN and driver's license. He paid all of the taxes that everyone else paid, even though he was here illegally. Eventually, he was caught and detained by ICE.infinity ag said:Infection_Ag11 said:
People expecting 35 million deportations are going to be extremely disappointed. There will be more extensive deportation of criminal aliens and, at most, a sizable cohort of single young male deportations. Trump isn't stupid enough to give the democrats the visual of soldiers dragging hundreds of thousands of tax paying families across the border. Moreover, the immediate economic shock of doing something like that would drive prices in certain sectors so high that nobody will remember anything else about his second term. It's a lose/lose.
Do illegals pay taxes?
How?
They won't have SSNs.
He has since earned his citizenship because his employer and church paid for a good immigration lawyer.
infinity ag said:Infection_Ag11 said:
People expecting 35 million deportations are going to be extremely disappointed. There will be more extensive deportation of criminal aliens and, at most, a sizable cohort of single young male deportations. Trump isn't stupid enough to give the democrats the visual of soldiers dragging hundreds of thousands of tax paying families across the border. Moreover, the immediate economic shock of doing something like that would drive prices in certain sectors so high that nobody will remember anything else about his second term. It's a lose/lose.
Do illegals pay taxes?
How?
They won't have SSNs.
Infection_Ag11 said:infinity ag said:Infection_Ag11 said:
People expecting 35 million deportations are going to be extremely disappointed. There will be more extensive deportation of criminal aliens and, at most, a sizable cohort of single young male deportations. Trump isn't stupid enough to give the democrats the visual of soldiers dragging hundreds of thousands of tax paying families across the border. Moreover, the immediate economic shock of doing something like that would drive prices in certain sectors so high that nobody will remember anything else about his second term. It's a lose/lose.
Do illegals pay taxes?
How?
They won't have SSNs.
You're joking, right?
Illegal immigrants pay over $10 billion in withheld payroll taxes alone. And that's before factoring in sales tax and the lower number that pay income taxes alone.
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/
I don't believe so. His wife was legal, as was his son.infinity ag said:Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:I know of a gentleman who worked for a friend who had an SSN and driver's license. He paid all of the taxes that everyone else paid, even though he was here illegally. Eventually, he was caught and detained by ICE.infinity ag said:Infection_Ag11 said:
People expecting 35 million deportations are going to be extremely disappointed. There will be more extensive deportation of criminal aliens and, at most, a sizable cohort of single young male deportations. Trump isn't stupid enough to give the democrats the visual of soldiers dragging hundreds of thousands of tax paying families across the border. Moreover, the immediate economic shock of doing something like that would drive prices in certain sectors so high that nobody will remember anything else about his second term. It's a lose/lose.
Do illegals pay taxes?
How?
They won't have SSNs.
He has since earned his citizenship because his employer and church paid for a good immigration lawyer.
But he must have been legal at some point, correct? And lost his status?
Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:Why was the suspect stopped? They didn't use their blinker, they didn't come to a complete stop, or a broken tail light. They can't just stop you because they suspect you of having weed.Infection_Ag11 said:Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:For them to talk to you, they have to pull you over. To pull you over, they have to suspect you of a crime/violation.Infection_Ag11 said:Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
They can ask all day long. They can't require it unless you are detained because they have reasonable evidence to suspect you of having committed or about to commit a crime.
One, if you are driving this is not true. And because the vast majority of ID requests from non-criminals occurs during traffic stops, refusing to provide ID effectively amounts to legal justification for detention for most people most of the time.
Second, judges across the country and at the federal level have consistently upheld evidence found during supposedly illegal detentions/searches. If you refuse to show ID, many authorities/agents/officers will use that as justification in the moment then look for ANY reason to make it stick.
All they have to do is say they suspected you of such. There is virtually no burden of proof requirement for authorities in these instances. For example (annd a common scenario), an officer finding weed on you during a search who post-facto claims he suspected you of having weed will win every time.
They can't just randomly search you because they suspect you of a crime. They have to have reasonable suspicion, according to Terry v. Ohio. So just asking me for my ID or anyone else because they want to isn't enough.
The Fall Guy said:
Just curious. If everyone illegal is deported do we get a program to force the lazy Americans to pick the crops? That's why some of the illegals are here. Our own people wont
How accurate is your info? Since employers wouldn't voluntarily admit they're hiring illegals me their ssn are all fake. I'm guessing their wildly inflated numbers generated by lib think tank. I can guarantee that no one I know that hired housekeepers or lawn guys ever paid one dime of payroll tax on their wages.Infection_Ag11 said:infinity ag said:Infection_Ag11 said:
People expecting 35 million deportations are going to be extremely disappointed. There will be more extensive deportation of criminal aliens and, at most, a sizable cohort of single young male deportations. Trump isn't stupid enough to give the democrats the visual of soldiers dragging hundreds of thousands of tax paying families across the border. Moreover, the immediate economic shock of doing something like that would drive prices in certain sectors so high that nobody will remember anything else about his second term. It's a lose/lose.
Do illegals pay taxes?
How?
They won't have SSNs.
You're joking, right?
Illegal immigrants pay over $10 billion in withheld payroll taxes alone. And that's before factoring in sales tax and the lower number that pay income taxes.
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/
infinity ag said:
CNN starts more propaganda.
Grocery prices are high. Trump's mass deportations could make matters worse
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/economy/economy-trump-deportation-grocery-inflation/index.html
It will be a net postiive. Think of all the health care and education costs that will drop.No Spin Ag said:infinity ag said:
CNN starts more propaganda.
Grocery prices are high. Trump's mass deportations could make matters worse
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/economy/economy-trump-deportation-grocery-inflation/index.html
So grocery prices will not at all go up, at all, if massive amounts of immigrants who work in the fields, are deported?
Market incentives i.e. higher pay? I'm happy to pay $20 for a happy meal now so that McDonalds workers get paid more, and I'll be happy to pay for the price increase on cotton goods to support a higher wage for cotton pickers. Higher costs for consumers is what I was thinking when I voted to overhaul immigration.TheWoodlandsTxAg said:I don't understand this.The Fall Guy said:
Just curious. If everyone illegal is deported do we get a program to force the lazy Americans to pick the crops? That's why some of the illegals are here. Our own people wont
Market incentives will be created for US citizens and legal permanent residents to do these jobs.
I am hearing the same Democrats that said "who will pick the cotton?" in the 1860s now say "who will pick the crops?" in the 2020s.
I am not saying you are a Democrat. However, the Democrats have been pushing this hard in the mainstream media and on social media since Trump won.
Just saying that the Democrats line of thinking has not changed in 160 years.
Tom Fox said:It will be a net postiive. Think of all the health care and education costs that will drop.No Spin Ag said:infinity ag said:
CNN starts more propaganda.
Grocery prices are high. Trump's mass deportations could make matters worse
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/economy/economy-trump-deportation-grocery-inflation/index.html
So grocery prices will not at all go up, at all, if massive amounts of immigrants who work in the fields, are deported?
No Spin Ag said:Tom Fox said:It will be a net postiive. Think of all the health care and education costs that will drop.No Spin Ag said:infinity ag said:
CNN starts more propaganda.
Grocery prices are high. Trump's mass deportations could make matters worse
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/economy/economy-trump-deportation-grocery-inflation/index.html
So grocery prices will not at all go up, at all, if massive amounts of immigrants who work in the fields, are deported?
That'll be a tough sell if all the immigrants are removed and prices are still higher come '28.
Not for Trump, but it will be for whoever is running on the right.
Tom Fox said:No Spin Ag said:Tom Fox said:It will be a net postiive. Think of all the health care and education costs that will drop.No Spin Ag said:infinity ag said:
CNN starts more propaganda.
Grocery prices are high. Trump's mass deportations could make matters worse
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/economy/economy-trump-deportation-grocery-inflation/index.html
So grocery prices will not at all go up, at all, if massive amounts of immigrants who work in the fields, are deported?
That'll be a tough sell if all the immigrants are removed and prices are still higher come '28.
Not for Trump, but it will be for whoever is running on the right.
We can cross that bridge when we get there. Remove them.
TheWoodlandsTxAg said:
I hope you know that Mexico's new President, Claudia Sheinbaum, is a hardcore Marxist.
I don't know how Trump is going to negotiate with her.
Trump can use tariffs.
BQ78 said:
For four years we lamented not following the rule of law and now that team red rules, we don't care about the law. Do I have that right?
dmart90 said:
Look. I'm all in favor of securing our border. I don't want people coming here illegally. But that needs to be coupled with an improved immigration system - the current one is terribly broken.
Having said that - using the military to round up people and deport them sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Shoefly! said:dmart90 said:
Look. I'm all in favor of securing our border. I don't want people coming here illegally. But that needs to be coupled with an improved immigration system - the current one is terribly broken.
Having said that - using the military to round up people and deport them sounds like a recipe for disaster.
I keep hearing it's broken, how is it broken?
Putin is also not messing around. And he doesn't need a mandate from anyone.TheWoodlandsTxAg said:
President Trump has a mandate from the American people, and he is not messing around.
It's automated.No Spin Ag said:infinity ag said:
CNN starts more propaganda.
Grocery prices are high. Trump's mass deportations could make matters worse
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/economy/economy-trump-deportation-grocery-inflation/index.html
So grocery prices will not at all go up, at all, if massive amounts of immigrants who work in the fields, are deported?
You don't have to ask for I.D. Just ask the person detained to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in English. If they can't, you know you've got someone who doesn't belong here.Quote:
I'm all for the deportation of those here illegally but I'm concerned about the violations of rights to do so. Will I be forced to show my papers and prove that I live here?
