_mpaul said:
Yeah, another unforced error by the Trump campaign. Sometimes they just can't get out of their own way.
Rockdoc said:
Being blown way out of proportion because they don't have anything else. Think of all the things the dems have said. Doesn't move the needle at all.
agjacent said:Here you go!SwigAg11 said:agjacent said:
Actually, yes, that's exactly what seems to be happening. People who weren't motivated to vote are now saying they're going to vote for Harris. People who were undecided now say they'll be voting for Harris too. And people said they were voting for trump, like the president of the Puerto Rican Republican Party, now say they won't vote for trump unless he apologizes. Lol. Lmao even.
Do you have anything to back up those assertions?
Trump's Puerto Rico fallout is 'spreading like wildfire' in Pennsylvania
Donald Trump has a serious Puerto Rico problem in Pennsylvania.
Many Puerto Rican voters in the state are furious about racist and demeaning comments delivered at a Trump rally. Some say their dismay is giving Kamala Harris a new opening to win over the state's Latino voters, particularly nearly half a million Pennsylvanians of Puerto Rican descent.
Evidence of the backlash was immediate on Monday: A nonpartisan Puerto Rican group drafted a letter urging its members to oppose Trump on election day. Other Puerto Rican voters were lighting up WhatsApp chats with reactions to the vulgar display and raising it in morning conversations at their bodegas. Some are planning to protest Trump's rally Tuesday in Allentown, a majority-Latino city with one of the largest Puerto Rican populations in the state.
And the arena Trump is speaking at is located in the middle of the city's Puerto Rican neighborhood.
"It's spreading like wildfire through the community," said Norberto Dominguez, a precinct captain with the local Democratic party in Allentown, who noted his own family is half Republican and half Democratic voters.
"It's not the smartest thing to do, to insult people a large group of voters here in a swing state and then go to their home asking for votes," Dominguez said.
The timing couldn't be worse for Trump. Almost a week before Election Day, he's pushing to cut into Harris' margins among Latinos, especially young men who are worried about the economy. But the comments from pro-Trump comedian Tony Hinchcliffe Sunday night, referring to Puerto Rico as a "floating island of garbage," has reverberated throughout Pennsylvania and elsewhere, prompting even the former president's Republican allies to defend the island and denounce the comments. And with the race essentially a toss up, every vote counts especially in Pennsylvania.
"This was just like a gift from the gods," said Victor Martinez, an Allentown resident who owns the Spanish language radio station La Mega, noting some Puerto Rican voters in the area have been on the fence about voting at all.
"If we weren't engaged before, we're all paying attention now," Martinez said. He added the morning radio show he hosts was chock-full of callers Monday sounding off on the Trump rally comments, including a Puerto Rican Trump supporter who is now telling people not to vote for the former president.
In response to questions on the comments, and whether Trump was planning to publicly denounce them, Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement, "Due to President Trump's plans to cut taxes, end inflation, and stop the surge of illegal immigrants at the southern border, he has more support from the Hispanic American community than any Republican in recent history."
Local Democrats like Dominguez argue the fallout at the very least reminds Puerto Rican voters of Trump's previous comments about the island, calling it "dirty" and tossing paper towels to survivors during a 2017 visit after Hurricane Maria devastated the island and killed more than 2,000 people.
And in a sign of how worried local residents are, a school district in Allentown announced Monday morning that it had canceled classes for Tuesday, when Trump visits.
The Trump campaign has tried to distance itself from the comedian's comments about Puerto Ricans and Latinos. Danielle Alvarez, senior adviser to the Trump campaign, said Sunday evening that the "joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign." Another Trump adviser said the speakers' remarks were not vetted prior to the rally. Key Republican lawmakers in Florida, New York and other states with large Puerto Rican populations quickly denounced the comments, saying it didn't reflect GOP values.
But other Trump allies, and his running mate JD Vance, have downplayed the rhetoric as just jokes. During a rally in Wisconsin Monday, Vance said that he had not heard the joke and that "maybe it's a stupid racist joke" or "maybe it's not" but Harris saying people should get offended by a comedian's jokes is "not the message of a winning campaign."
"Our country was built by frontiersmen who conquered the wilderness," Vance said. "We're not going to restore the greatness of American civilization if we get offended at every little thing. Let's have a sense of humor and let's have a little fun."
At a rally on Monday night in Racine, Wisconsin, Vance said that he was not worried "that a joke that a comedian who has no affiliation with Donald Trump's campaign told," would cost the campaign votes among minority groups in swing states. "I just don't buy that. I don't think that's how most Americans think, whatever the color of their skin," he said.
Donald Trump Jr. and other MAGA Republicans have shared social media posts with a similar message.
But at least one local Republican is denouncing the remarks.
"The comments made by this so-called 'comedian' at Madison Square Garden weren't funny, they were offensive and wrong," state Rep. Ryan Mackenzie told POLITICO. The Republican is locked in a close race against Democratic Rep. Susan Wild, who represents Allentown and a key part of the swingy Lehigh Valley. Mackenzie said he was still looking forward to Trump's visit.
And, some Pennsylvania GOP strategists, even as they tried to downplay the electoral fallout, acknowledged it was an unforced error at the very least.
Jimmy Zumba, a Latino GOP strategist based in the Lehigh Valley, called them "stupid comments," that were clearly not based on the immigration and crime themes that Republicans have tried to hammer this cycle.
"Obviously I would love to be talking about that, to be on the offense on that, but right now we're on the defense trying to defend comments that are not from the campaign or President Trump," Zumba said, adding he didn't believe the matter is "going to shift completely a Latino vote."
But many local Puerto Rican community members are unwilling to let go of the comments.
Roberto L. Lugo, President of the Pennsylvania Chapter of the National Puerto Rican Agenda, said the nonpartisan group will be releasing a letter, shared exclusively with POLITICO, condemning the comments and urging Pennsylvania Puerto Ricans not to vote for Trump. Lugo, who was born in Puerto Rico and now lives in Philadelphia, said Pennsylvania Puerto Ricans are "really disturbed" over the comments.
"I'm not a Republican, I'm not a Democrat, I'm independent," Lugo said. "But at this point, it's not about political, partisan issues. It is about the respect and honor our Puerto Ricans and Latinos deserved as citizens and legal residents of this country, that's the issue."
"We held Trump and his campaign responsible for this disgraceful act," he added.
State Rep. Danilo Burgos, co-chair of the "Latinos con Harris" group in Pennsylvania, said residents have spread the comments on social media and within Philadelphia's Puerto Rican community.
"I saw two ladies in particular saying they were considering voting for Trump, but they're not now," he said, "because of the comments."
He also said that Puerto Rican megastar Bad Bunny's endorsement of Harris could be a game changer in Pennsylvania, arguing that a third-party candidate in Puerto Rico's governor's election surged from a double-digit deficit because the superstar got involved. Bad Bunny has not endorsed a candidate in that race, but has paid for billboards opposing Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon's New Progressive Party.
"She was running away with the election," he said. "Now that election is a statistical tie."
Notably, Donald Trump Jr., Trump's son, made a stop in Allentown on Monday, ahead of a planned event in Coplay, Pennsylvania, a Lehigh Valley borough outside Allentown.
Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro on Monday also noted Trump made the choice not to distance himself from the comments.
"If Donald Trump really wanted to disassociate himself with that, the first thing he would have said when he came onto the stage at Madison Square Garden was, 'hey, listen, I heard that person's attempt at humor. It was not funny. I stand with the Puerto Rican community,'" Shapiro told a local talk news radio station in northeast Pennsylvania. "He didn't do that."
Republicans have been eager to peel away Puerto Rican and Latino voters from Democrats in Pennsylvania and other swing states. Trump actually made gains among voters in North Philadelphia's Puerto Rican-dominated neighborhoods in 2020. Harris sought to shore up her support in the neighborhood during a Sunday visit to Freddy and Tony's, a local Puerto Rican restaurant, where she was speaking about her plans for the island around the same time that Trump's rally featured the disparaging comments.
Kenny Perez, an employee at Freddy and Tony's, said in an interview at the restaurant on Monday that he's often turned off by politics and normally doesn't vote. But he condemned the Trump rally comments and said while he's still deciding, this year, he thinks he'll vote for Harris and "definitely not for Trump."
"I think he gave Kamala a boost," Perez added.
Other Puerto Ricans want an apology from Trump himself.
"They should think before they put a person in front of millions of people to talk like that and joke like that," said Ivonne Concepion, who also lives in North Philadelphia. "He's gotta say 'perdon,' not just sorry, but from here," she said pointing to her chest.Wow - the President of the Puerto Rican Republican Party is threatening to un-endorse and not for Trump unless he apologizes for the comments made at the MSG rally. Really is a political earthquake in Puerto Rican politics right now https://t.co/khd5QYmImz
— Blake Allen (@Blake_Allen13) October 29, 2024
agjacent is a leftie.aginlakeway said:
So the reason you are posting so much about this is that you're angry about it? Happy about it? And you think that this joke told by a comedian (and not Trump) may cost him Pennsylvania?
Trying to understand why you're so interested in a topic that IMO won't change anything.
FTAG 2000 said:agjacent is a leftie.aginlakeway said:
So the reason you are posting so much about this is that you're angry about it? Happy about it? And you think that this joke told by a comedian (and not Trump) may cost him Pennsylvania?
Trying to understand why you're so interested in a topic that IMO won't change anything.
If you actually read the article that the tweet references, you can see that the sources used for the article also said many jokes were ad-libbed and were thus not 'implicitly approved by the campaign' as you claim. (By the way, this is a huge issue in society today. There are people that believe everything they see in 140/280 characters of a tweet without even looking at the source material.)agjacent said:
Back on topic:🚨🚨 The shock comic who opened for Trump at MSG was planning to call Harris a "c*nt" in his set. It got flagged by the campaign. @MarcACaputo scoops. https://t.co/48HXjm07XN
— Sam Stein (@samstein) October 28, 2024
This means that all his other comments didn't get flagged, and thus had implicit approval from the campaign. So much for those "jokes" "not reflect[ing] the views of President Trump or the campaign." Gonna be tough to sell that one when the campaign thought calling Harris a **** was going to far, but calling Puerto Rico a floating pile of trash wasn't.
BuddysBud said:hph6203 said:
Jon Stewart thinks this is dishonest offense acting. Liberal king saying unclench. The reason Trump has a shot at winning despite an unending media blitz against him is people are genuinely tired of uptight.Jon Stewart is spot on here. Even he thinks the outrage over MSG is BS. pic.twitter.com/IGnURSV7qp
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) October 29, 2024
This might change some peoples minds, but not the wave the Dems hope for. A person that listened to a decade of Trump is racist, very fine people white supremacist claims and came out the other side saying "I'll vote for that guy." Isn't going to suddenly think "you know what, I know that guys a comedian, but I just can't stand the joke."
Jon Stewart is funny:
"Having that guy go to a rally and not do roast jokes is like having Beyonc at a rally and not …. Oh well."
TexasAggiesWin said:If you actually read the article that the tweet references, you can see that the sources used for the article also said many jokes were ad-libbed and were thus not 'implicitly approved by the campaign' as you claim. (By the way, this is a huge issue in society today. There are people that believe everything they see in 140/280 characters of a tweet without even looking at the source material.)agjacent said:
Back on topic:🚨🚨 The shock comic who opened for Trump at MSG was planning to call Harris a "c*nt" in his set. It got flagged by the campaign. @MarcACaputo scoops. https://t.co/48HXjm07XN
— Sam Stein (@samstein) October 28, 2024
This means that all his other comments didn't get flagged, and thus had implicit approval from the campaign. So much for those "jokes" "not reflect[ing] the views of President Trump or the campaign." Gonna be tough to sell that one when the campaign thought calling Harris a **** was going to far, but calling Puerto Rico a floating pile of trash wasn't.
"Those sources insisted that they did not spot the other objectionable lines in Hinchcliffe's speech prior to him delivering it because they were ad-libbed. Hinchcliffe couldn't be reached for comment."
Dan Scott said:BuddysBud said:hph6203 said:
Jon Stewart thinks this is dishonest offense acting. Liberal king saying unclench. The reason Trump has a shot at winning despite an unending media blitz against him is people are genuinely tired of uptight.Jon Stewart is spot on here. Even he thinks the outrage over MSG is BS. pic.twitter.com/IGnURSV7qp
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) October 29, 2024
This might change some peoples minds, but not the wave the Dems hope for. A person that listened to a decade of Trump is racist, very fine people white supremacist claims and came out the other side saying "I'll vote for that guy." Isn't going to suddenly think "you know what, I know that guys a comedian, but I just can't stand the joke."
Jon Stewart is funny:
"Having that guy go to a rally and not do roast jokes is like having Beyonc at a rally and not …. Oh well."
That was only the beginning of his segment. After this he torches Trump
might want to direct that ajance he thinks a single large bet moved the line so to speak I know what it is, no offense just educating youDanielDay said:No offense but from your posts you don't understand how the election prediction websites works. There are no lines set by the house. You're buying shares from other bettors. There isn't a house taking unlimited bets.Tswizsle said:.agjacent said:Yeah, you know what, you're totally right. A bunch of foreigners making multimillion dollar crypto bets are the best predictor of how Americans will vote. Brilliant!Tswizsle said:
Yea you know nothing about gambling
Did i say that im just pointing you dont understand what moves lines
It's more equivalent to the stock market and not a sports book. I'm not putting you down. Just educating you.i
of course they dont' jack squat about betting or Poly market.backintexas2013 said:
He is completely wrong in what he said. I corrected him. Doubt he returns.
BlueTaze said:
I bet there are anywhere between 7 and 12 Puerto Ricans that are voting for Kamala bc of Tony. Total disaster.
what proof do you have of that, thats your opinion.aginlakeway said:BlueTaze said:
I bet there are anywhere between 7 and 12 Puerto Ricans that are voting for Kamala bc of Tony. Total disaster.
If that.
Tswizsle said:what proof do you have of that, thats your opinion.aginlakeway said:BlueTaze said:
I bet there are anywhere between 7 and 12 Puerto Ricans that are voting for Kamala bc of Tony. Total disaster.
If that.
Tswizsle said:what proof do you have of that, thats your opinion.aginlakeway said:BlueTaze said:
I bet there are anywhere between 7 and 12 Puerto Ricans that are voting for Kamala bc of Tony. Total disaster.
If that.
Waffledynamics said:
I know a lot of people here are confident that this won't move the needle, but I'm not so sure. Dems are milking this in the media big time. It will drive out some voters, and only a little bit is needed to win in these very tightly contested swing states. It doesn't have to be Puerto Ricans. It can be the do-gooder schoolmarm white women.
If Trump loses, I think we can point to this rally and that comedian as the reason.
This is an excellent troll. Everyone should take note.Waffledynamics said:
I know a lot of people here are confident that this won't move the needle, but I'm not so sure. Dems are milking this in the media big time. It will drive out some voters, and only a little bit is needed to win in these very tightly contested swing states. It doesn't have to be Puerto Ricans. It can be the do-gooder schoolmarm white women.
If Trump loses, I think we can point to this rally and that comedian as the reason.
yep weird how the groupthink on here refuses to see what happens in reality,Waffledynamics said:
I know a lot of people here are confident that this won't move the needle, but I'm not so sure. Dems are milking this in the media big time. It will drive out some voters, and only a little bit is needed to win in these very tightly contested swing states. It doesn't have to be Puerto Ricans. It can be the do-gooder schoolmarm white women.
If Trump loses, I think we can point to this rally and that comedian as the reason.
agree with you but, your signature reads that of 16 year old girl terribleAtticusMatlock said:
Many people on this board don't exist outside of the ultra conservative bubble. They don't realize one of the reasons Trump is winning the early vote is that urban and minority voters who typically vote Democrat when they vote have been staying home, similar to what we saw in 2016.
They don't realize that the Democrats are very good at getting out low information racial grievance voters. Some voters are that dumb. For some people who view the election as unimportant or a choice between the lesser of two evils who may have decided to stay home, you don't want to give them any sort of reason to vote against you. With a lot of these people it's either vote for Harris or stay home. We need them to stay home.
ermahgerd troll, ermahgerd cheating, ermaGERD someone on F16 has a different opinion, ermaguard they must be a lib. Ermahgerd I don't have a logical response so I'm just going to make a joke or name call.
Jon Stewart is spot on here. Even he thinks the outrage over MSG is BS. pic.twitter.com/IGnURSV7qp
— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) October 29, 2024
aginlakeway said:
People think voters will now decide to vote for Harris rather than Trump because of what this comedian said?
If they do, they were never voting for Trump anyway.
The "easily offended" are already voting for Harris.Divining Rod said:aginlakeway said:
People think voters will now decide to vote for Harris rather than Trump because of what this comedian said?
If they do, they were never voting for Trump anyway.
I think you WAAAAY overestimate the conviction and intelligence of the average easiy-offended American!
he doesn't get it part of the group think mentality around here.Divining Rod said:aginlakeway said:
People think voters will now decide to vote for Harris rather than Trump because of what this comedian said?
If they do, they were never voting for Trump anyway.
I think you WAAAAY overestimate the conviction and intelligence of the average easiy-offended American!
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I really think it is a bad idea to include this at a bonafide political rally. Just an avoidable penalty, like lining up in the neutral zone.
"Group think" is what gets tossed out by leftist trolls when referring to F16.Tswizsle said:he doesn't get it part of the group think mentality around here.Divining Rod said:aginlakeway said:
People think voters will now decide to vote for Harris rather than Trump because of what this comedian said?
If they do, they were never voting for Trump anyway.
I think you WAAAAY overestimate the conviction and intelligence of the average easiy-offended American!
