"Women's work" soon officially measured in government data

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infinity ag
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This is the new feminist outrage. All the feminists on Linkedin are delirious with this news. They claim "women do 80% of house work" so they will demand to be paid for that.

kaching!

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/22/womens-work-household-data
"Women's work" could soon be officially measured in government data
Emily Peck, author of Axios Markets


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The Labor Department might soon start tracking an often overlooked part of the economy: "women's work."
Why it matters: Unpaid household labor like child care, laundry or home repairs is critical to the economy but isn't officially measured.
State of play: Economists at Bard College released a report this week detailing how the government could measure this activity, which they call "household production."
  • The Labor Department commissioned the report in 2021, part of a major initiative aimed at coming up with a new component for one of its biggest reports, on consumer expenditures.
  • That survey examines how much Americans spend on everything from food to furniture to restaurant meals.
It doesn't capture activities that don't cost money but do cost time.
Stunning stat: Women performed 78% of the total value of unpaid household production in 2019, the researchers found.
  • That number reflects "the patriarchal allocation of household production responsibilities in our society," per the report.
The big picture: It's important to track this kind of data to understand so many things like Americans' true cost of living, explanations for the pay gap, and women's lower labor participation rates.
  • The measure could be particularly crucial in refining measures of poverty.
Flashback: When day cares and schools shut down during the height of the pandemic, Americans got a crash course in how critical unpaid labor is for keeping society humming. That experience nudged the Labor Department into action.
Between the lines: This is a win for feminist economists. For years, their mainstream peers, mostly men, argued unpaid work wasn't an economic issue because it's a woman's moral duty borne out of love.
Zoom in: To measure household production, the Bard economists looked at data from the census and other places, mainly from 2019, on how Americans spend their time. They paired this with Labor Department numbers on how much certain work costs.

  • For example, they looked at hours spent doing child care and at wages for child care workers and pre-K teachers.
  • In a novel twist, the economists measured different kinds of child care active work, like reading to a child, and supervisory work, keeping an eye on the kids while you're doing laundry or something else. They also looked at unpaid work done by non-household members, like grandparents or aunts.
  • The aim is to convert the hours spent on tasks into a measurable value.
What's next: The Labor Department will evaluate the methodology used in this report with a goal of adding a household production measure to its expenditure data in 2025.


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BigRobSA
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Good news for the burgeoning biologist market.
swampstander
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AG
Wonder how many sammiches I earned when I unloaded the dishwasher this morning...
ktownag08
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It's not child care when you're with your own kids reading to them, making a meal, being there with them watching TV, etc. It's called parenting.
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Enzomatic
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Can that pay be taken out of refusing to have sex because you're tired? Or will sex be counted towards owed compensation too…?
Enzomatic
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On another note, who do I bill for having to do my own laundry and make my own food? Single guys gotta get in on this opportunity too, amiright?
Ags20-10_'75
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infinity ag
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Enzomatic said:

Can that pay be taken out of refusing to have sex because you're tired? Or will sex be counted towards owed compensation too…?

It's gonna cost you, buddy.

taxpreparer
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Enzomatic said:

On another note, who do I bill for having to do my own laundry and make my own food? Single guys gotta get in on this opportunity too, amiright?


Yes, and what about those two dad households? WAIT! How do they define women's work when they cannot define what a woman is?
UAS Ag
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C@LAg said:

the level of work will be measured in a new metric unit: the sammich.
I measure the usefulness of this new information with a unit call the Couric.
pdc093
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STILL one of the best 'ownage' bits on SM.....
MGS
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So just another way to pump up the dismal GDP numbers.
ABATTBQ11
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Read the methodology. It doesn't account for all of the one off stuff that (real) men. In the last 12 months alone I replaced our back patio door, replumbed for a taller water heater and installed it, built a playground (including a 450 play area with 15 yards of mulch), replaced a dishwasher, built an 8' wife book shelf, and a bunch of other projects.

Is any of this going to get capped captured in a 24 hour time diary like dishes or laundry? No, but that doesn't mean I didn't do a **** ton of unrecognized work and the house.
aggierogue
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pdc093 said:

STILL one of the best 'ownage' bits on SM.....



What a stupid woman.
BigRobSA
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aggierogue said:

pdc093 said:

STILL one of the best 'ownage' bits on SM.....



What a stupid woman.


Did you just assume zher gender!?!?!?
American Hardwood
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When the human reductionists finally destroy the male-female relationship and all humans are valued based solely on their labor commodity, women are going to be in for a big surprise.
Urban Ag
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American Hardwood said:

When the human reductionists finally destroy the male-female relationship and all humans are valued based solely on their labor commodity, women are going to be in for a big surprise.
AKA: the societal Apocalypse Draft.

I'm predicting a lot of big hair, aprons, great food on the table, and lots of sex


doubledog
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First "homemakers" are the hardest working individuals ever. I do not see how this would benefit feminists, so why would they support it?
MouthBQ98
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This work doesn't produce any product or output. It consumes, which is measured by other metrics. It is labor, but is sort of like a hobby: it is voluntary unpaid because it is done on ones' own behalf.

Not sure what households don't have a pretty even overall labor split these days, operationally. In a single income household, the working spouse brings in the income for much of their time si the other should be doing household operation and maintenance work in proportion to that effort, and it is a combined effort. In a dual income situation, the home labor divide is probably much more even. In my house, we are dual income. I do nearly all of the outside work and heavy labor, vehicle work, etc. wife gets most of the routine inside stuff and pet chores, but I do my share. It gets divided along practical lines.

I am not sure why it is important to track nonproductive uncompensated labor.

Also, Bill Burr has a pretty epic not PC take on this…
JW
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Yep. Pretty much have to manufacture, farm, mine, fish etc. to produce.
deddog
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MGS said:

So just another way to pump up the dismal GDP numbers.


Ding. Ding. Ding.

**** real industries , make up **** economic numbers (remember "saved jobs"?) and democrats will complement Biden on the turd sandwich
zephyr88
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I make 4x what she makes, the least she can do is keep the house nice and clean.
infinity ag
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Read the methodology. It doesn't account for all of the one off stuff that (real) men. In the last 12 months alone I replaced our back patio door, replumbed for a taller water heater and installed it, built a playground (including a 450 play area with 15 yards of mulch), replaced a dishwasher, built an 8' wife book shelf, and a bunch of other projects.

Is any of this going to get capped captured in a 24 hour time diary like dishes or laundry? No, but that doesn't mean I didn't do a **** ton of unrecognized work and the house.

Sorry man. That is not what Harvard says in their study.
Your wife cooked, cleaned and took care of the kids.

You....? Nuthin'.
infinity ag
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Urban Ag said:

American Hardwood said:

When the human reductionists finally destroy the male-female relationship and all humans are valued based solely on their labor commodity, women are going to be in for a big surprise.
AKA: the societal Apocalypse Draft.

I'm predicting a lot of big hair, aprons, great food on the table, and lots of sex




Lots of sex?
You will be at war when WWIII starts. The 17 year old who was too young to go to war or the old fart down the street will be getting all the sex.
pdc093
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BigRobSA said:

aggierogue said:

pdc093 said:

STILL one of the best 'ownage' bits on SM.....



What a stupid woman.


Did you just assume zher gender!?!?!?


infinity ag
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doubledog said:

First "homemakers" are the hardest working individuals ever. I do not see how this would benefit feminists, so why would they support it?

Now you are going too far.

Yes, it is hard to be a homemaker.
But it is also hard to clean filthy sewage pipes and do steel work 100 floors above the ground.

If I had to pick, I would pick the homemaker tasks.
infinity ag
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zephyr88 said:

I make 4x what she makes, the least she can do is keep the house nice and clean.


And make daddy a sammich. Amirite?

agwrestler
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C@LAg said:

the level of work will be measured in a new metric unit: the sammich.


Doesn't make sense with all the bread shortages in metric countries...
agwrestler
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Read the methodology. It doesn't account for all of the one off stuff that (real) men. In the last 12 months alone I replaced our back patio door, replumbed for a taller water heater and installed it, built a playground (including a 450 play area with 15 yards of mulch), replaced a dishwasher, built an 8' wife book shelf, and a bunch of other projects.

Is any of this going to get capped captured in a 24 hour time diary like dishes or laundry? No, but that doesn't mean I didn't do a **** ton of unrecognized work and the house.


Pics of 8' wife?
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