FL_Ag1998 said:

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Tibbers said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Tibbers said:

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Mike Hancho said:

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Trump and Biden are both bad for the country. I won't choose cancer instead of dementia. I simply won't choose …

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What Trump policy is bad for the country?

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See most of 2020's policies.

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Be specific. This is a message board. Let's discuss.

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Ok, for starters 90% of how Trump handled COVID.

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I'm always up for a Monday morning quarterback's explanation as to what should have been done.

This.

Waffledynamics said:

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Tibbers said:

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Mike Hancho said:

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Trump and Biden are both bad for the country. I won't choose cancer instead of dementia. I simply won't choose …

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What Trump policy is bad for the country?

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See most of 2020's policies.

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Trump was an idiot during Covid, and I don't think you will find many people arguing otherwise, once you lay out your specifics like requested.

There also is the camp that says "it was all new so we have to forgive our dear overlords for going tyrannical and suspending the Constitution, but at least they reversed course before the blue states". Those people are idiots.

With that said, a lot of 2020 falls onto the GOPe and media for enabling said situation. Trump was battling the left and media as usual both domestic and foreign, but also had to battle a significant majority of the GOP that wanted to expand government power and make Trump look bad. Trump was in a no-win situation unless he put his foot down and essentially gave up on running for re-election in 2020.

MemphisAg1 said:

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That is just an awful sales pitch. "I know you don't really like the guy, but vote for him anyway because he's not as bad as the other guy."

We are so hosed.

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Actually that's a great argument. If our choice is a complete toad who is not a Marxist vs said marxists then I vote for the toad 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

FL_Ag1998 said:

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Tibbers said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Tibbers said:

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Mike Hancho said:

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Trump and Biden are both bad for the country. I won't choose cancer instead of dementia. I simply won't choose …

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What Trump policy is bad for the country?

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See most of 2020's policies.

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Be specific. This is a message board. Let's discuss.

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Ok, for starters 90% of how Trump handled COVID.

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In hindsight, I would agree. But this was a disease no-one had seen before and knew nothing about. I don't fault Trump in the early days of the pandemic as much as I blame the democrats after we started to get more information about covid that didn't seem to change their lockdown/mask-up/welfare giveaway attitudes.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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All these people crying about Trump are the same frauds that turn their back on conservatism in action. You want small government but don't support anyone that tries to actually do it.

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Small government? Trump? Seriously?

It's this kind of delusion that makes nobody even remotely conservative like Trump. Y'all don't now who you're voting for. You wishcast things onto him because he has the celebrity status. You're not one bit better than Obama fanatics. In fact, you are the equal and opposite reaction.

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Learn to read. I did not take a position that Trump is "small government ". My position is that you guys don't even recognize when conservatism is practiced. It's always attack, attack, attack unless it's YOUR guy. Is the country more important than the politician? Act like it.

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Trump will tear apart anyone that's not for him, regardless of party or platform. It's exhausting when MAGA says stuff like this because the hypocrisy is off the charts.. Just more straight up denial.

It's also denial to suggest is even the best representative of conservative principles in the GOP.

Dear OP

Its not us Trump has to convince. We'll hold our nose and vote for the non-Dem.

It's all the independents who have heard nothing but the medias poison and lies about him 24/7 for the last 7 years

And I know you think that will be super easy and a non-issue but unfortunately for all of us you're wrong

Tibbers said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Old Sarge said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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That is just an awful sales pitch. "I know you don't really like the guy, but vote for him anyway because he's not as bad as the other guy."

We are so hosed.

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How long have you been voting? That is politics.

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40+ years. I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, proudly.

Not this time. Only possibility of voting for him is if it looks like he could lose Texas. Then I'd hold my nose and vote for him. But if it's that close in Texas we're hosed anyway.

You forced an awful candidate on us. Don't be surprised by the lack of enthusiasm. Candidate quality matters and R's keep picking bad ones. He can't keep doing and saying stupid **** and expect us to roll with it. No sir.

Might need to go ahead and let this version of the party burn down and rise anew from the ashes.

Never thought I'd say that, but I never thought we'd be here either.

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And this is why the America First movement had to take over the Republican Party.

You had a host of weak fellas like this guy who regardless of the Marxist opposition in front of them, have to play nice to defeat them.

You guys don't seem to understand the gravity of the situation, the peril that may befall your lineage. It's time to wake up and see what is before you.

[w]Policy trumps personality. [/q]Vote for the policy. When you portion that out, are you really saying you have to hold your nose to put America first?

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Except he's all personality! If his "policy" objectively worse, populist policy is what you really want, go off and do it in some corner instead of trying to hijacker's conservatives and the GOP.

LandyOH said:

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So you love how Bidenomics is helping the cost of living and how safe our boarder is today?

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Bidenomics wouldn't exist if not for trump, between him being largely unelectable and his debt bomb at the end of his presidency. Take away either of those things and the likelihood of Bidenomics ever existing drops like a stone.

Dark_Knight said:

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You either vote Trump or for the continued downward trend of the nation. It's pretty simple and clear cut.

Voting based on feelings or knee jerk reactions to who says what is some low IQ *****

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Wow you should be out making posters and tv ads instead of wasting your time here! That's a really winning message.

No Spin Ag said:

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Is there a TLDLR for OPs? Cliff Notes maybe?

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In the words of Don Henley, "He may be Satan, but he's our Satan."

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Trump will tear apart anyone that's not for him.

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Trump needs to tear apart Obama and his ilk, the media, and everyone who shilled for this puppet state and fraud of a regime. Public expose, trial, and hangings would be preferable.

MemphisAg1 said:

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That is just an awful sales pitch. "I know you don't really like the guy, but vote for him anyway because he's not as bad as the other guy."

We are so hosed.

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It's not a choice between"guys".

It's a choice between the rate of transition to Marxist tyranny or freedom. It literally is.

I personally don't care if you anti Trumpers vote for Trump or not. The nation is lost, Trump is simply a small speed bump in the path if he gets elected.

So stay home or vote for Biden. When you get smacked in the head, look in the mirror. Hth

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Dark_Knight said:

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You either vote Trump or for the continued downward trend of the nation. It's pretty simple and clear cut.

Voting based on feelings or knee jerk reactions to who says what is some low IQ *****

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Wow you should be out making posters and tv ads instead of wasting your time here! That's a really winning message.

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Your message is even worse.

GAC06 said:

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Not voting for Trump. After an epic ass kicking Trumpians will cry that they were cheated and prepare for Trump 2028. Trump is an unmitigated disaster.

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Who can objectively and forensically observe the 2020 election irregularities and late night flips and conclude that there wasn't democrat rigging happening? Wake up!

353 counties across 29 states had vote counts that were higher than the number of folks registered to vote. None of that has been fixed. It will likely be done on a much larger scale this year. Legitimate votes are being diluted with illegitimate votes and no one is doing anything to fix it. Good luck cause voting IS rigged.

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Jeeper79 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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All these people crying about Trump are the same frauds that turn their back on conservatism in action. You want small government but don't support anyone that tries to actually do it. Trump wants out of NATO? Nope, won't support that. Gaetz gets McCarthy out and you turn your back on him. But please, tell us more about what your guy is going to do.

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You actually think trump cares about the size of government? Or fiscal responsibility? Getting out of NATO is a populist view, not a conservative one.

And it was confirmed this week that Gaetz went after McCarthy because of the investigation.

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I cant help but laugh at you joining this thread. You are anything but a conservative.

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Ask Haley if I'm a conservative. I donated to her campaign, and I'd vote for her, too.

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Old Sarge said:

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...to the fact that for whatever reason, Trump is going to be the nominee for the Republicans. The level of OMG look at THIS about Trump is getting old and tired at an ever increasing rate. Most of our first choice either in 2016, or now, was not Trump, but he's gonna be the guy. Haley is only there as a GOPe last stand in case something happens to keep him from being the nominee and walah, we get what the establishment wants.

Not my first choice by any means in 2016, and was really hoping DeSantis had not self destructed this time around (another topic, but it happened).

So, here we are. Trump. I did like his inauguration speech that caused the establishment to squirm like they had ants eating their privates, and he had some great policies, but was thwarted at every turn b/c not establishment. This tells us they don't have or want, what the voter does.

This leaves us on the Right with a defining moment. Are people going to sack up, hold their nose and vote against Marxism/Socialism/Real Racism, and throw in their vote for Trump, or just say "I'll not vote because I have higher standards, etc." and essentially hand over the wheels for eternity in this country to those that will do things like allow American Citizens to become collateral damage to save an open border, with all the crap that brings? Or the Woke driven assault on societal norms that have allowed our country to flourish as a shining light that has saved the world more than once?

The man is a jackass, but the world's history is ridden with leaders that have been a jackass and held evil at bay, at least for the time being for someone with a better temperament to ascend to take their place. A stop gap measure if you may.

Time for folks to sack up, hold their nose, and vote AGAINST the evil that resides within our border, not necessarily because they like Trump, but the alternative is demise on a short term scale of our country.

Trump. It's not WEF/Soros/Obama Socialism. It's the best option we are going to have.

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Choosing not to vote is the worst possible cop out for an American citizen.

Only voting for someone, who you see as the perfect candidate in every way, is foolhardy and unattainable. I do not subscribe to the party system and always vote for the least of the evils running.

That always turns out to be the most conservative candidate in my view and one I perceive to be non establishment. The bureaucracy has become one of Americans greatest enemies

MemphisAg1 said:

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Old Sarge said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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That is just an awful sales pitch. "I know you don't really like the guy, but vote for him anyway because he's not as bad as the other guy."

We are so hosed.

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How long have you been voting? That is politics.

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40+ years. I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, proudly.

Not this time. Only possibility of voting for him is if it looks like he could lose Texas. Then I'd hold my nose and vote for him. But if it's that close in Texas we're hosed anyway.

You forced an awful candidate on us. Don't be surprised by the lack of enthusiasm. Candidate quality matters and R's keep picking bad ones. He can't keep doing and saying stupid **** and expect us to roll with it. No sir.

Might need to go ahead and let this version of the party burn down and rise anew from the ashes.

Never thought I'd say that, but I never thought we'd be here either.

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So let me get this right. You voted for him in both elections but somehow now are fed up with him. You do realize he wasn't the president for the last 4 years. So you are basically saying you will vote for any other candidate for other parties that is thrown out just to not vote for him even if their names are hitler or Mussolini. Amazing you ever voted for him once, let alone twice. This type of thinking baffles me.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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Trump will tear apart anyone that's not for him.

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Trump needs to tear apart Obama and his ilk, the media, and everyone who shilled for this puppet state and fraud of a regime. Public expose, trial, and hangings would be preferable.

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And the whole rest of the GOP?

Waffledynamics said:

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Y'all bullied the **** out of everyone and are now crying at the disunity. Cry harder.

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Oh please. The DeSantis stans were way worse in this department.

Anyone in on the scam is an enemy of freedom and our republic. So, yes.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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Anyone in on the scam is an enemy of freedom and our republic. So, yes.

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wow… it really is a cult…

One Louder said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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Tibbers said:

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Tibbers said:

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Mike Hancho said:

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Trump and Biden are both bad for the country. I won't choose cancer instead of dementia. I simply won't choose …

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What Trump policy is bad for the country?

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See most of 2020's policies.

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Be specific. This is a message board. Let's discuss.

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Ok, for starters 90% of how Trump handled COVID.

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In hindsight, I would agree. But this was a disease no-one had seen before and knew nothing about. I don't fault Trump in the early days of the pandemic as much as I blame the democrats after we started to get more information about covid that didn't seem to change their lockdown/mask-up/welfare giveaway attitudes.

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I think he's referring less to Covid itself and more to the resulting garbage economy.

Jeeper79 said:

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One Louder said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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Tibbers said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Tibbers said:

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Mike Hancho said:

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Trump and Biden are both bad for the country. I won't choose cancer instead of dementia. I simply won't choose …

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What Trump policy is bad for the country?

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See most of 2020's policies.

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Be specific. This is a message board. Let's discuss.

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Ok, for starters 90% of how Trump handled COVID.

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In hindsight, I would agree. But this was a disease no-one had seen before and knew nothing about. I don't fault Trump in the early days of the pandemic as much as I blame the democrats after we started to get more information about covid that didn't seem to change their lockdown/mask-up/welfare giveaway attitudes.

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I think he's referring less to Covid itself and more to the resulting garbage economy.

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Speaking of COVID and Biden, this is what you will get with your Marxist in the WH:


"The Biden White House furiously pressured Facebook to censor content that raised questions about or criticized the COVID-19 vaccine and Facebook...did so.

Rob Flaherty, then-director of digital strategy at the Biden White House, said to Facebook, "If you were to change the algorithm so that people were more likely to see [New York Times], [Wall Street Journal], any authoritative news source over Daily Wire, Tomi Lahren, polarizing people. You wouldn't have a mechanism to check the material impact?"



This is what you and those like you support. Censorship! Propaganda!

Enjoy your future!

MAGA is the Republican Party.

You are either for or against.

Chose wisely as elections have consequences

Trump 2024

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Anyone in on the scam is an enemy of freedom and our republic. So, yes.

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wow… it really is a cult…

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And it's better than the cult of election fraud, puppet presidencies, created pandemics, less food production to help climate change, higher taxes, rule of law, and neo-Marxist totalitarianism. Or how two sitting Members of Congress suggested that children of Trump voters be removed from their parents to be re-educated. A cult indeed you are part of.

But you be you and keep calling us a cult.

One Louder said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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Tibbers said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Tibbers said:

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Mike Hancho said:

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Trump and Biden are both bad for the country. I won't choose cancer instead of dementia. I simply won't choose …

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What Trump policy is bad for the country?

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See most of 2020's policies.

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Be specific. This is a message board. Let's discuss.

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Ok, for starters 90% of how Trump handled COVID.

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In hindsight, I would agree. But this was a disease no-one had seen before and knew nothing about. I don't fault Trump in the early days of the pandemic as much as I blame the democrats after we started to get more information about covid that didn't seem to change their lockdown/mask-up/welfare giveaway attitudes.

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Yes everyone gets a pass for the first month or so. What happened to Trump after that? Oh, he gave Fauci a medal and criticized actual conservatives for opening up too soon. And he still won't say he'll do anything differently, which means the next time we get a virus that "escapes" from a Chinese lab it'll be up to the actual conservative governors to make sure we don't have lockdowns again.

PA24 said:

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MAGA is the Republican Party.

You are either for or against.

Chose wisely as elections have consequences

Trump 2024

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Im not sure you're wrong yet, but I'd say the odds are against you and I'm here for it. And I'll do everything I can to ensure that's not true.

The Chicken Ranch said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Anyone in on the scam is an enemy of freedom and our republic. So, yes.

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wow… it really is a cult…

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And it's better than the cult of election fraud, puppet presidencies, created pandemics, less food production to help climate change, higher taxes, rule of law, and neo-Marxist totalitarianism. Or how two sitting Members of Congress suggested that children of Trump voters be removed from their parents to be re-educated. A cult indeed you are part of.

But you be you and keep calling us a cult.

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cult of election fraud…

You never did answer last night. Will you enjoy your vote for Biden?

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PA24 said:

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MAGA is the Republican Party.

You are either for or against.

Chose wisely as elections have consequences

Trump 2024

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Im not sure you're wrong yet, but I'd say the odds are against you and I'm here for it. And I'll do everything I can to ensure that's not true.

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Clarify please.

You think Trump will not be the nominee?

Rockdoc said:

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You never did answer last night. Will you enjoy your vote for Biden?

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Ive answered that same question in how many threads now? I'm not voting for him. I don't know why you think this is such a great dig that you keep doubling down on it.

Maybe try thinking of a lame nickname for me. That's your dear leader's go-to move and it sure works on people like you.

PA24 said:

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MAGA is the Republican Party.

You are either for or against.

Chose wisely as elections have consequences

Trump 2024

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MAGA is about 50% to 60% of the party based on polls when there were several candidates in the primary.

Good luck recruiting the rest -- and independents -- with Trump's ongoing slash and burn approach. Telling people he doesn't need their votes should work out really well for him. Blacklisting supporters of his primary opponents is also a winning strategy, lol.

He is an awful candidate. I know that's hard for some to accept but it's the truth. He won a close race against Hillary in 2016 -- thank God. Since then he or his hand picked candidates have lost in 2018, 2020, and 2022. "But the fourth time is the charm!" Yeah, right. 62D chess, lol.

If it looks like he'll really beat Biden, the Dems will swap Newsome for Biden at the convention and he'll wipe the floor with Trump. The stage is already being set for that with the Dems bringing out the sharp knives for Biden after the AG report. We are being outplayed.

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Jeeper79 said:

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PA24 said:

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MAGA is the Republican Party.

You are either for or against.

Chose wisely as elections have consequences

Trump 2024

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Im not sure you're wrong yet, but I'd say the odds are against you and I'm here for it. And I'll do everything I can to ensure that's not true.

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Clarify please.

You think Trump will not be the nominee?

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Yeah he'll be the nominee, but his grip is loosening on non-MAMA republicans.