combat wombat said:

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As a CPA, I will say some of the most messed up returns I have ever seen are those that are self-prepared by people who don't know any better. They tend to be low income.

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What makes things so complicated?

Ignorance of the rules mainly.

They need to vote harder for the handouts otherwise they might get punished by their plantation masters like this.

/s

Hopefully they learn that D's do not have their best interests at heart and adjust their view of gov accordingly, unless being dependent on gov is their interest.....

They should go to VITA. They do taxes for low income earners for free and will go to bat for them in court if there is an audit.

combat wombat said:

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As a CPA, I will say some of the most messed up returns I have ever seen are those that are self-prepared by people who don't know any better. They tend to be low income.

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Why do i read that is systemic racism? Why fix bridges when buses aren't used like they were when Joe started his political career int he shadow of Robert Byrd. Fix what the lasting issue is for all races - dumb ass IRS rules.

TexasAggiesWin said:

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What did they think an additional 87,000 IRS agents would be doing?

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This has been repealed according to McCarthy.

UTExan said:

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If you caught the NPR morning show, this was a featured story. The nexus? Earned Income Tax Credit and claiming dependents. This is a mistake made by many black tax filers according to the story and the IRS is going to go after high probability win audits as opposed to targeting higher income earners with more complex finances.
Seems like the fairest thing we can do is enact a flat tax with partial refunds for low income earners because the IRS being involved in low income folks' lives is just another stress point.

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There is no way the Biden admin era woke irs is going after a protected class.

NPR is either making this up or is grotesquely exaggerating one single situation.

This isn't a race issue, in my experience.

TexasAggiesWin said:

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What did they think an additional 87,000 IRS agents would be doing?

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Goin' after whitey, Bill Gates, George Soros and Mark Cuban, duh. That's what the DNC told them.

Good luck auditing Ray Ray and shanequiA

Having worked closely with numerous immigrants over my career, many of whom like to talk too much, I'd say that it's amazing the amount of fraud that exists in the Earned Income Credit program. And many of those folks' 'tax preparers' aid and abet this stuff.

Some buy, sell, and trade SS#s for dependents, even those belonging to non-residents. Some get a 'second' residential address and even though they're married, claim head-of-household for both man and wife, and bank damn good money because of it, even though they both have good-paying jobs.

What surprises me is that team Biden wouldn't just look the other way. That surprises me a lot.

Too be fair -- Some of the PPP stuff I hear about makes me sick as well. And a lot of those folks are on the other end of the economic ladder.

BTW, did California ever recover all those COVID-era unemployment benefits they paid out fraudulently, much of it to foreigners? I'm sure they're on it with their best people.

UTExan said:

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If you caught the NPR morning show, this was a featured story. The nexus? Earned Income Tax Credit and claiming dependents. This is a mistake made by many black tax filers according to the story and the IRS is going to go after high probability win audits as opposed to targeting higher income earners with more complex finances.
Seems like the fairest thing we can do is enact a flat tax with partial refunds for low income earners because the IRS being involved in low income folks' lives is just another stress point.

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They make $$$$$$$ in the cash economy, under report their income, take the credit, but then get caught.

So 14 trillion for reparations, but a 6 figure per year irs agent is taking some poor family to task for a grand or so on tax returns???


Great job to all the cornpop voters that couldn't overcome their tds

UTExan said:

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If you caught the NPR morning show, this was a featured story. The nexus? Earned Income Tax Credit and claiming dependents. This is a mistake made by many black tax filers according to the story and the IRS is going to go after high probability win audits as opposed to targeting higher income earners with more complex finances.
Seems like the fairest thing we can do is enact a flat tax with partial refunds for low income earners because the IRS being involved in low income folks' lives is just another stress point.

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turbo tax and hr block would unleash an army of lobbyists upon dc to prevent this

No doubt there.
The AICPA army too.

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go[ing] after high probability win audits

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This is typical NPR woke, race baiting BS.

"High probability win" translates to "obvious tax laws were broken", and remember that these tax credits often result in refund checks being cut directly to the filers.

So yeah, the IRS should absolutely go hard after these thieves, without regard to the color of anyone's skin. If they are disproportionately one color or another, I don't really give one s**t.

I worked, seasonally, for H&R Block after I retired for six years. I worked in a working class suburb and the fraud was appalling. People would come in and bring a list of SSNs for kids and ask me to prepare a return using a few of them and then add or subtract to see which got the greatest EITC. We were trained to turn those people away, and I did, but many didn't because they got paid partially on the number of returns and the complexity of them.

Another prevalent scam was self employed who got paid in cash. It was a running joke that some people's income was printed on the ceiling. When asked how much they made, they would look skyward and say "oh, about $$$". There again, if the EITC wasn't high enough, they would start remembering other small jobs they did for cash. I turned those away also.

A lot won't report cash earnings. It's frequently obvious when people are doing that. I don't even open the 1009s I get because I report every penny of income. Some people, surprisingly, only have income that was reported on 1099s.

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UTExan said:

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If you caught the NPR morning show, this was a featured story. The nexus? Earned Income Tax Credit and claiming dependents. This is a mistake made by many black tax filers according to the story and the IRS is going to go after high probability win audits as opposed to targeting higher income earners with more complex finances.
Seems like the fairest thing we can do is enact a flat tax with partial refunds for low income earners because the IRS being involved in low income folks' lives is just another stress point.

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There is no way the Biden admin era woke irs is going after a protected class.

NPR is either making this up or is grotesquely exaggerating one single situation.

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Actually makes total sense. There is more fraud at the lower income levels because:

• Those people don't know know how to complete a tax return accurately.
• The EITC is a known, widely abused feature.
• Middle class and upper class folks are smarter so more accurate if doing their own return or you are using a CPA who is obviously going to follow the rules.

Thus, there are far more abusers at the lower levels than the upper levels. And it just so happens for NPR's propaganda that blacks have a large proportion of folks in lower income brackets who are living in bullet 1 or 2.

Pookers said:

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They voted for this *****

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Most did without knowing or contemplating this would be a policy that was used against them.

Just because they voted for the people enacting this, doesn't mean that I don't care when they are treated unjustly as well. I only hope it sways their political ignorance in the future.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Pookers said:

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They voted for this *****

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Most did without knowing or contemplating this would be a policy that was used against them.

Just because they voted for the people enacting this, doesn't mean that I don't care when they are treated unjustly as well. I only hope it sways their political ignorance in the future.

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It won't. And I hope the IRS bends them over if they are cheating on taxes.

YouBet said:

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fixer said:

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UTExan said:

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If you caught the NPR morning show, this was a featured story. The nexus? Earned Income Tax Credit and claiming dependents. This is a mistake made by many black tax filers according to the story and the IRS is going to go after high probability win audits as opposed to targeting higher income earners with more complex finances.
Seems like the fairest thing we can do is enact a flat tax with partial refunds for low income earners because the IRS being involved in low income folks' lives is just another stress point.

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There is no way the Biden admin era woke irs is going after a protected class.

NPR is either making this up or is grotesquely exaggerating one single situation.

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Actually makes total sense. There is more fraud at the lower income levels because:

• Those people don't know know how to complete a tax return accurately.
• The EITC is a known, widely abused feature.
• Middle class and upper class folks are smarter so more accurate if doing their own return or you are using a CPA who is obviously going to follow the rules.

Thus, there are far more abusers at the lower levels than the upper levels. And it just so happens for NPR's propaganda that blacks have a large proportion of folks in lower income brackets who are living in bullet 1 or 2.

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I am no dummy..... but try figuring out paying state income taxes for part of the year in MN and part of the year in AL. And finding an accountant to help with this complex mess.....

IMO, this may actually be true, and done purposely as a pretense to going after the higher value targets.

'Hey, look, we already went after the minority and low income guys. Now it's YOUR Turn!'

The "87,000 New Agents" thing was always just

1) That many more Democrat patronage jobs and,
2) Helps bolster the lie that the rich aren't paying their fair share and the Donks Are! Doing! Something! About! This! Injustice!

combat wombat said:

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the rules mainly.

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fify