The V-10's and V-12's sounded a LOT better. Went to Monaco last year which was awesome but the howl of those old engines was better.

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What the **** does 24 motor sports have to do with the consumer vehicle market?

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Had to do with everything back in the day. Endurance.

I started watching racing with my Dad and my brother. I liked it. I followed it so closely that I was the only "skirt" allowed into the betting pool on the Indy pool race for many years. Won it a few times, too.

You should start watching F1. In fact you might really appreciate Drive to Survive on Netflix. Brilliant look at F1 behind the scenes.

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The V-10's and V-12's sounded a LOT better. Went to Monaco last year which was awesome but the howl of those old engines was better.

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Definitely sounded better no doubt. But like the dynamic and strategy that the electric power units give to overtaking and strategy. Not too much a fan of the DRS, the designated hitter rule of F1.

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A Model S has four doors and isn't a POS Camaro.

Racing is about as relevant as when you switched to 18 wheelers on your "I'll never own an EV" thread

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Heavens, you don;t know much about car history, nor racing.

Bit of advice, never attend a NASCAR race nor any other car race. Until you know who Nikki Lauda and James Hunt were.

Take a look at the trailer. You might really really like it.

Read the thread before saying ignorant things, ma'am

Watch this. You might like it. If you watch all of the movie. I watched it again about a year ago but now it's a paywall film from 1966? Go figure,

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Read the thread before saying ignorant things, ma'am

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So you have proven that EV's without a change of batteries can win endurance races of 24 hours?

Sorry if I missed that. Because I haven't even seen where an EV passenger car can do that at regular speed.

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So you have proven that EV's without a change of batteries can win endurance races of 24 hours?

Sorry if I missed that. Because I haven't even seen where an EV passenger car can do that at regular speed.

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You were an attorney? Did I ever claim that? What on earth are you talking about?

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Not too much a fan of the DRS, the designated hitter rule of F1.

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Modern F1 without DRS would have little to no passing on the track. The races leading up to the DRS era started to get boring

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The V-10's and V-12's sounded a LOT better. Went to Monaco last year which was awesome but the howl of those old engines was better.

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Ralph Schumacher drove his circa 2000 BMW F1 car around the A1ring last year with slicks and the engine turned way down, and he set competitive lap times.

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The V-10's and V-12's sounded a LOT better. Went to Monaco last year which was awesome but the howl of those old engines was better.

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Ralph Schumacher drove his circa 2000 BMW F1 car around the A1ring last year with slicks and the engine turned way down, and he set competitive lap times.

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Politics have hurt the sport. Passing has improved even if somewhat contrived with DRS. Eliminating fuel stops has improved safety but drastically changed strategy. I still watch but I miss the old sound.

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So you have proven that EV's without a change of batteries can win endurance races of 24 hours?

Sorry if I missed that. Because I haven't even seen where an EV passenger car can do that at regular speed.

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You were an attorney? Did I ever claim that? What on earth are you talking about?

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When you said I was an idiot for being a woman and asking whether Tesla or any other EV manufacturer has won an endurance race?

Understand I am an Ol' Dame but I have gone around a racing block or two. I know how car companies competed against each other in race car driving and how that played into their design and ad campaigns.

I am sure you do not even have one freakin' clue who Carroll Shelby was and why he had a Ford Mustang named after him.

Don't fuss with me. Not when it comes to car racing history before you were even alive but I was alive and watched those races.

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The V-10's and V-12's sounded a LOT better. Went to Monaco last year which was awesome but the howl of those old engines was better.

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Ralph Schumacher drove his circa 2000 BMW F1 car around the A1ring last year with slicks and the engine turned way down, and he set competitive lap times.

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Politics have hurt the sport. Passing has improved even if somewhat contrived with DRS. Eliminating fuel stops has improved safety but drastically changed strategy. I still watch but I miss the old sound.

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No doubt. Plus the cars are as big as suvs now. The first race I attended was the '99 Canadian Grand Prix. I still remember the ear splitting sound like it was yesterday.

Full movie. And yes I saw it when it first came out in the theaters. Dad took me and my brother.

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So you have proven that EV's without a change of batteries can win endurance races of 24 hours?

Sorry if I missed that. Because I haven't even seen where an EV passenger car can do that at regular speed.

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You were an attorney? Did I ever claim that? What on earth are you talking about?

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When you said I was an idiot for being a woman and asking whether Tesla or any other EV manufacturer has won an endurance race?

Understand I am an Ol' Dame but I have gone around a racing block or two. I know how car companies competed against each other in race car driving and how that played into their design and ad campaigns.

I am sure you do not even have one freakin' clue who Carroll Shelby was and why he had a Ford Mustang named after him.

Don't fuss with me. Not when it comes to car racing history before you were even alive but I was alive and watched those races.

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Post the example of me saying you're an idiot because you're a woman. (Sounds kinda woke honestly)

I'm well aware of Shelby and the history of racing so you're wrong there too.

It's strange you go on these bizarre strawman arguments.

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It is bizarre that you attack me with those as well.

I honestly did not really pay attention to you as a poster until you attacked me. Your opinion is not valued highly from what I have seen from other posters you try to spar with.

Was just an odd very oblique way to come after me because EVs and what used to endurance racing are incompatible.

Get back to me when a Rivian wins the Baja 1000.

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Full movie. And yes I saw it when it first came out in the theaters. Dad took me and my brother.

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The camera setup they used in that movie was fascinating. It was basically mounted on the back of a modified 24 hour race car and the front wheels of the open wheel car were removed and it was towed by the 24 hour car

Please provide examples of me attacking you with strawman arguments, counselor.

The title of this thread is "Tesla is finished". Please support how endurance racing supports whatever argument you think you're making.

Honestly, your aversion to logic and rhetoric combined with your history with MFBarnes makes me wonder if you aren't his sock.

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Please provide examples of me attacking you with strawman arguments, counselor.

The title of this thread is "Tesla is finished". Please support how endurance racing supports whatever argument you think you're making.

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You know, she can respond to individual posts in this thread and not just the OP, right? Or do you not allow that?

I'm not the moderator

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I'm not the moderator

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Well, then you know she's allowed to respond to any post on here and it doesn't have to ONLY address the subject of the OP. She did that. Go back and read her posts...

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Please provide examples of me attacking you with strawman arguments, counselor.

The title of this thread is "Tesla is finished". Please support how endurance racing supports whatever argument you think you're making.

Honestly, your aversion to logic and rhetoric combined with your history with MFBarnes makes me wonder if you aren't his sock.

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Okay. That's enough. I am allowed to respond to your post attacking me.

I don't flag people usually but you are getting close.

No response to back up your claims.

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Groundbreaking for the day. Watching in a theater with Panoramic view for a kid? Was mind blowing.

I loved the sounds and the grit on the racers' faces. After watching a lot of races live, they always had a racoon look when they took off their goggles. Meyer Speedway vet as a kid.

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Please provide examples of me attacking you with strawman arguments, counselor.

The title of this thread is "Tesla is finished". Please support how endurance racing supports whatever argument you think you're making.

Honestly, your aversion to logic and rhetoric combined with your history with MFBarnes makes me wonder if you aren't his sock.

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Okay. That's enough. I am allowed to respond to your post attacking me.

I don't flag people usually but you are getting close.

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Ignore him. He likes to just attack people. It's his schtick.

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No response to back up your claims.

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Name one endurance race EVs have won against ICE vehicles where the playing field is level for both.

Start with LeMans.

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No response to back up your claims.

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Name one endurance race EVs have won against ICE vehicles where the playing field is level for both.

Start with LeMans.

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And for GAC06, this relates to Teslag's post about racing the Tesla and how fast it goes...

But, then...I paid attention on this thread.

Let's get back to the subject. Tesla is the best stock driving experience out there for under 55k. The best way I can describe it is like driving an agile silent fighter jet on the ground. No maintenance, no gas, 500k miles if you want to keep it that long and minimal depreciation. Bought my model 3 dual motor FSD 4 years ago for 55k and could sell it now for 47k. That's like leasing it for $150 per month over 4 years. The gas savings alone makes it nearly free.

Anyone that thinks you have to be rich to own a Tesla is just ignorant.

Go drive one. You'll then have to buy one. It's like cutting the cable cord. Once you do it, you'll wonder what took you so long. No longer tethered to gas stations or Saturday morning oil changes. I can't even imagine going back to an ICE car. I also wouldn't trust any other EV maker over the next 5-7 years. Tesla will dominate not only the world wide auto market over the next decade but also the power storage and charging infrastructure.

Tesla is like Toyota, Chevron, Apple and Boston Scientific all rolled up into one company. Everyone is looking for that next Amazon, Google or Microsoft and it's right in front of our faces in the very early stages.

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Let's get back to the subject. Tesla is the best stock driving experience out there for under 55k. The best way I can describe it is like driving an agile silent fighter jet on the ground. No maintenance, no gas, 500k miles if you want to keep it that long and minimal depreciation. Bought my model 3 dual motor FSD 4 years ago for 55k and could sell it now for 47k. That's like leasing it for $150 per month over 4 years. The gas savings alone makes it nearly free.

Anyone that thinks you have to be rich to own a Tesla is just ignorant.

Go drive one. You'll then have to buy one. It's like cutting the cable cord. Once you do it, you'll wonder what took you so long. No longer tethered to gas stations or Saturday morning oil changes. I can't even imagine going back to an ICE car. I also wouldn't trust any other EV maker over the next 5-7 years. Tesla will dominate not only the world wide auto market over the next decade but also the power storage and charging infrastructure.

Tesla is like Toyota, Chevron, Apple and Boston Scientific all rolled up into one company. Everyone is looking for that next Amazon, Google or Microsoft and it's right in front of our faces in the very early stages.

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Appreciate the post. Solid, and unemotional, did not come across as a fanboy.

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Formula 1. Red Bull Racing. And it's a V6 with electric hybrid drive.

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To be fair, it isn't made by Red Bull. It is sponsored by them. Who makes it and what engine is it based off of?

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Let's get back to the subject. Tesla is the best stock driving experience out there for under 55k. The best way I can describe it is like driving an agile silent fighter jet on the ground. No maintenance, no gas, 500k miles if you want to keep it that long and minimal depreciation. Bought my model 3 dual motor FSD 4 years ago for 55k and could sell it now for 47k. That's like leasing it for $150 per month over 4 years. The gas savings alone makes it nearly free.

Anyone that thinks you have to be rich to own a Tesla is just ignorant.

Go drive one. You'll then have to buy one. It's like cutting the cable cord. Once you do it, you'll wonder what took you so long. No longer tethered to gas stations or Saturday morning oil changes. I can't even imagine going back to an ICE car. I also wouldn't trust any other EV maker over the next 5-7 years. Tesla will dominate not only the world wide auto market over the next decade but also the power storage and charging infrastructure.

Tesla is like Toyota, Chevron, Apple and Boston Scientific all rolled up into one company. Everyone is looking for that next Amazon, Google or Microsoft and it's right in front of our faces in the very early stages.

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Most people can't afford that $55K to start with...maybe they don''t have to be rich but they've got to be better than the average auto buyer.

So now you can't be considered fast unless you have won Lemans?