I think we are agreeing. I'm saying compared to other "residential solar" they are not only top 4, they are also, and in addition to, a top battery storage company.
Tesla is Finished
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I haven't checked this thread in at least 10 minutes. Is Tesla still finished?
Tesla overtakes Ford in U.S. brand loyalty award for first time
Tesla overtakes Ford in U.S. brand loyalty award for first time
aggievaulter07 said:
I haven't checked this thread in at least 10 minutes. Is Tesla still finished?
Tesla overtakes Ford in U.S. brand loyalty award for first time
Tesla is the new Apple and will soon (within the next 2 years) surpass Apple in market cap. They are so not finished. At Wednesday's investor day if they announce a new M2 priced at 25k as a smaller more affordable version of the M3 with 20-25% margins then it's game over. If they announce an M2 as a robo taxi with no steering wheel and all passengers facing the middle of the car with a card table in the middle then Elon is getting ahead of himself betting too much on FSD too early. I love his forward thinking and I believe FSD level 4 and 5 will happen but probably more like 3-5 years away.
Although my opinion and anyone else on here matters very little. I will tell you I have conviction with a large 6 figure stake in Tsla and if it goes down will add more to my position.
I love coming back to this thread often for the hilariously bad premise and takes on Tesla. It's very entertaining.
It is almost entirely a technological problem, not a liability or regulatory problem. A functional autonomous system will operate far better than a human driver and that system can readily demonstrate its safety in a matter of hours to any regulator once it achieves usability.fka ftc said:
Regarding self-driving tech... that is not limited whatsoever by technology at this point. Well, not directly.
Its limited by lawyers and liability laws. Either the tech / sw has to get to the point where they are happy, or laws are passed where automakers can release the product with a comfortable pucker of the exit valve.
Same things that limit robots, drone deliveries, etc.
You're dealing with outrageously large datasets when it comes to autonomous driving. In a day the fleet would drive more than a person would in 30 lifetimes. In a month you're talking about more than a billion miles driven. The lost revenue over a corporation's lawyers trying to avoid liability would cost more than any settlement payments.
Right there with you.Medaggie said:
Although my opinion and anyone else on here matters very little. I will tell you I have conviction with a large 6 figure stake in Tsla and if it goes down will add more to my position.
I thought BMW made the M2 and M3.
gggmann said:
I thought BMW made the M2 and M3.
Tesla salesman speak for Model 2 or 3
Update, Elon back in the 'richest man in the world' slot, as Tesla stock rallies 100 percent in a month.
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Musk's wealth has been boosted as shares in Tesla, his electric car company, have nearly doubled since the start of 2023. The company was one of many tech stocks to suffer badly last year but it's currently trading at $207.63-a-share - compared with $108.10 on January 2.
The 51-year-old's place atop the Bloomberg Billionaires Index had previously been surpassed by Arnault on December 13.
Musk's return to the number one spot was sealed on Monday when Tesla shares rose 5.5% through the day. It means Musk's net worth on Tuesday afternoon was around $50 billion more than at the turn of the year.
Damn.
Is OP not concerned by inflation either?
Is OP not concerned by inflation either?
I keep forgetting to buy stock in tesla and this article just makes me kick myself in the ass even harder.
I made my IRA contributions for my wife and I, specifically to buy at $120/share when the price was at like $122. I figured it would dip down, and I'd snag it. It didn't. Kept waiting, and finally pulled the trigger at $200. Still glad I got more, but holy crap what a huge timing error.Sea Speed said:
I keep forgetting to buy stock in tesla and this article just makes me kick myself in the ass even harder.
Teslag said:
Tesla was 4th last year in the solar install market
And yet they still didnt break a billion in revenue. Top 10 all cleared 2 billion.
Spend some time on the B&I board. You error was timing the stock purchase. ...and a limited understanding of overall markets and the complexity of Tesla and its place in the market.aggievaulter07 said:I made my IRA contributions for my wife and I, specifically to buy at $120/share when the price was at like $122. I figured it would dip down, and I'd snag it. It didn't. Kept waiting, and finally pulled the trigger at $200. Still glad I got more, but holy crap what a huge timing error.Sea Speed said:
I keep forgetting to buy stock in tesla and this article just makes me kick myself in the ass even harder.
Glad you got what you wanted, but hopefully one learns from their errors.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
So we are just waiting on faster computers, then magically all vehicles become autonomous self-driving?hph6203 said:It is almost entirely a technological problem, not a liability or regulatory problem. A functional autonomous system will operate far better than a human driver and that system can readily demonstrate its safety in a matter of hours to any regulator once it achieves usability.fka ftc said:
Regarding self-driving tech... that is not limited whatsoever by technology at this point. Well, not directly.
Its limited by lawyers and liability laws. Either the tech / sw has to get to the point where they are happy, or laws are passed where automakers can release the product with a comfortable pucker of the exit valve.
Same things that limit robots, drone deliveries, etc.
You're dealing with outrageously large datasets when it comes to autonomous driving. In a day the fleet would drive more than a person would in 30 lifetimes. In a month you're talking about more than a billion miles driven. The lost revenue over a corporation's lawyers trying to avoid liability would cost more than any settlement payments.
I've been on projects dealing with data sets orders of magnitude higher than what what a vehicle would need, plus much of the calculus invariably has to be done locally within the vehicle itself.
Regardless of technology, that has no impact on my statements regarding legal hurdles. Autonomous self-driving cars will NOT be in the wild until those hurdles are overcome.
And that's fact, not opinion.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
I'm definitely very mediocre at timing buys. I'm awful at timing sells.fka ftc said:Spend some time on the B&I board. You error was timing the stock purchase. ...and a limited understanding of overall markets and the complexity of Tesla and its place in the market.aggievaulter07 said:I made my IRA contributions for my wife and I, specifically to buy at $120/share when the price was at like $122. I figured it would dip down, and I'd snag it. It didn't. Kept waiting, and finally pulled the trigger at $200. Still glad I got more, but holy crap what a huge timing error.Sea Speed said:
I keep forgetting to buy stock in tesla and this article just makes me kick myself in the ass even harder.
Glad you got what you wanted, but hopefully one learns from their errors.
IIRC, when it was at $122, there was some FUD that came out which caused me to expect it to dip below $120. It seemed like the smart thing to wait at the time, but it obviously didn't work out that way.
IslanderAg04 said:Teslag said:
Tesla was 4th last year in the solar install market
And yet they still didnt break a billion in revenue. Top 10 all cleared 2 billion.
Tesla energy cleared $4 billion in revenue for FY2022
I see you've never worked with regulators.hph6203 said:It is almost entirely a technological problem, not a liability or regulatory problem. A functional autonomous system will operate far better than a human driver and that system can readily demonstrate its safety in a matter of hours to any regulator once it achieves usability.fka ftc said:
Regarding self-driving tech... that is not limited whatsoever by technology at this point. Well, not directly.
Its limited by lawyers and liability laws. Either the tech / sw has to get to the point where they are happy, or laws are passed where automakers can release the product with a comfortable pucker of the exit valve.
Same things that limit robots, drone deliveries, etc.
You're dealing with outrageously large datasets when it comes to autonomous driving. In a day the fleet would drive more than a person would in 30 lifetimes. In a month you're talking about more than a billion miles driven. The lost revenue over a corporation's lawyers trying to avoid liability would cost more than any settlement payments.
I deal with the FAA all the time and JFC you can show it over and over again that something is safe and they STILL balk at it. It's infuriating at times.
BTW...my prime objective in work right now is to achieve Level 5 full autonomy for UAS, so it's not like I'm against the concept or wary of the technology (although that is a big part of it).
I'm not saying that there won't be roadblocks to its approval. They're going to have to demonstrate substantially safer systems, but that in comparison to actually achieving an autonomous vehicle that operates as well or better than a human driver in all situations is nothing by comparison. You're talking about decades worth of effort compared to maybe a couple of months to a year once they create the software.
Technology is the mountain, the regulations are the molehill, and the liability is not even a speed bump.
Technology is the mountain, the regulations are the molehill, and the liability is not even a speed bump.
Awesome take. How much experience do you have dealing with regulators? Same for lawyers working in consumer products? Experience in transportation networks? Experience in writing rules, laws and regulations?
Passenger airlines can takeoff fly and land all by themselves. Most pilots still like to grab the yoke but that's based on preference of the pilot,
Yet the FAA still requires not one but two pilots on these flights? Seems like airlines would want to cut that budget if they could.
Maybe you should talk to their government affairs team about your insight on molehills and speed bumps.
Passenger airlines can takeoff fly and land all by themselves. Most pilots still like to grab the yoke but that's based on preference of the pilot,
Yet the FAA still requires not one but two pilots on these flights? Seems like airlines would want to cut that budget if they could.
Maybe you should talk to their government affairs team about your insight on molehills and speed bumps.
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Passenger airlines can takeoff fly and land all by themselves. Most pilots still like to grab the yoke but that's based on preference of the pilot
Lol
Sea Speed said:
I keep forgetting to buy stock in tesla and this article just makes me kick myself in the ass even harder.
Don't buy. Tesla is finished.
Source: OP
Prove me wrong Chuckles.GAC06 said:Quote:
Passenger airlines can takeoff fly and land all by themselves. Most pilots still like to grab the yoke but that's based on preference of the pilot
Lol
fka ftc said:Prove me wrong Chuckles.GAC06 said:Quote:
Passenger airlines can takeoff fly and land all by themselves. Most pilots still like to grab the yoke but that's based on preference of the pilot
Lol
You're asking a professional pilot to prove you wrong?
Cute.
Is he flying a biplane for them?Teslag said:fka ftc said:Prove me wrong Chuckles.GAC06 said:Quote:
Passenger airlines can takeoff fly and land all by themselves. Most pilots still like to grab the yoke but that's based on preference of the pilot
Lol
You're asking a professional pilot to prove you wrong?
Cute.
Why don't you back up your claim and show me a single airliner in use that can take off or land without pilot input. Oh yeah, you can't. It's especially humorous considering the bulk of your post was telling another poster not to opine on subjects he isn't familiar with. Lol.
I am not saying what you are allowed to do, I am saying what the capability is.GAC06 said:
Why don't you back up your claim and show me a single airliner in use that can take off or land without pilot input. Oh yeah, you can't. It's especially humorous considering the bulk of your post was telling another poster not to opine on subjects he isn't familiar with. Lol.
Is there something about takeoff that could not be preprogrammed? No.
And autoland and autopilot have been around for some time.
So why don't you two yokels put the peyote down and think before responding.
What you said:
You're wrong. Period. Maybe try to stick to subjects you know, whatever that may be.
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Passenger airlines can takeoff fly and land all by themselves.
You're wrong. Period. Maybe try to stick to subjects you know, whatever that may be.
Seems I left out an r. The planes can but the airlines cannot. Got it.GAC06 said:
What you said:Quote:
Passenger airliners can takeoff fly and land all by themselves.
You're wrong. Period. Maybe try to stick to subjects you know, whatever that may be.
Guess that totally changes the context of my post.
One extra social credit to you for pointing it out.
No, you're still wrong.
There is technology available for aircraft to take off and land autonomously. However, airliners are not equipped with that.
And the aircraft that air, I saw a study a while back that 1/3 of all the military preds built had crashed.
I trust my autopilot, but as a passenger, no way.
WHEN your automation fails, the only thing keeping those passengers alive is a pilot.
So, should we cut the crew to one pilot? I knew a passenger who refused to ever fly on a plane with a single pilot because he was in the back of a plane taxiing gif takeoff when the pilot died if a sudden heart attack, 30 seconds before takeoff. One minute later and he would have died as well.
Do you want you and your family on the plane with only one or even zero pilots?
And the aircraft that air, I saw a study a while back that 1/3 of all the military preds built had crashed.
I trust my autopilot, but as a passenger, no way.
WHEN your automation fails, the only thing keeping those passengers alive is a pilot.
So, should we cut the crew to one pilot? I knew a passenger who refused to ever fly on a plane with a single pilot because he was in the back of a plane taxiing gif takeoff when the pilot died if a sudden heart attack, 30 seconds before takeoff. One minute later and he would have died as well.
Do you want you and your family on the plane with only one or even zero pilots?
"A is A”
My understanding that at properly equipped airports that landing was mostly automated, Is there a technical challenge to automate the rest? Those steps are pretty prescriptive which lends itself programming automation.91Challenger said:
There is technology available for aircraft to take off and land autonomously. However, airliners are not equipped with that.
And the aircraft that air, I saw a study a while back that 1/3 of all the military preds built had crashed.
I trust my autopilot, but as a passenger, no way.
WHEN your automation fails, the only thing keeping those passengers alive is a pilot.
So, should we cut the crew to one pilot? I knew a passenger who refused to ever fly on a plane with a single pilot because he was in the back of a plane taxiing gif takeoff when the pilot died if a sudden heart attack, 30 seconds before takeoff. One minute later and he would have died as well.
Do you want you and your family on the plane with only one or even zero pilots?
Airbuses are fly by wire, no? So no impediment there.
All that said, I prefer a professionally trained human pilot, with a high preference for more than 1 person so qualified.
And I know its fun for others to laugh and think I just make things up, but I really do not. Outside of conversations with pilot friends and whilst considering investing in a company in the industry, I come across information.
For GAC06 and TeslAg:
https://crewlounge.aero/blog/commercial-aviation-without-pilots-in-the-cockpit/
For GAC06 and TeslAg:
https://crewlounge.aero/blog/commercial-aviation-without-pilots-in-the-cockpit/
For the haters on the liability issue:Quote:
In both space travel and military aviation, we already see a large number of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) that can fly completely autonomously. From a technical point of view, it is already possible today to build a commercial airliner that can fly without pilots. But there are also differences.
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Liability
Technology can largely reduce the number of accidents caused by pilot error, but can never bring it down to 0%. Even with fully autonomous aircraft, there will always be a number of incidents and accidents. Who is liable? Self-driving cars raise the same question about responsibility and accountability. Who pays for the damage to your private Cirrus Vision jet when your Tesla car runs away? (video)
In SPO, the pilot in the cockpit acts as captain of the flight and bears ultimate responsibility. When an operator controls the aircraft from the ground, the responsibility also shifts to the ground. But the liability still remains with the airline company.
If commercial airplanes were ever to fly fully autonomously, that responsibility would fall to the manufacturer. Or with ATC, in the event of wrong instructions.
The regulatory transition towards SPO in commercial aviation will probably take more time than the technological transition. In 2022, EASA published the world's first rules [ ] for operation of (unmanned) air taxis in cities. These rules complement existing EU regulatory material for operations of Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS). Other aviation authorities are also working on new regulations.
And I found that article about 15 minutes ago after read 91Challenger's post.
Some of you guys have assumptions and blinders that keep you from considering others may be knowledgeable on something,
I enjoy being wrong on things and learning for why I had come to a conclusion that is not correct.
I get frustrated cause I am just not wrong that much and denied that enjoyment.
Enjoy your EVs and 25% market share of the passenger vehicle market.
Some of you guys have assumptions and blinders that keep you from considering others may be knowledgeable on something,
I enjoy being wrong on things and learning for why I had come to a conclusion that is not correct.
I get frustrated cause I am just not wrong that much and denied that enjoyment.
Enjoy your EVs and 25% market share of the passenger vehicle market.
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