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Pretty sure this is what's called a 'non sequitur'.Quote:
That is a kill rate 10 times that of COVID (see, I can do math too).
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Tesla may not be finished but EV batteries made from Lithium ion batteries are a problem. 200+ incidents last year (through Nov 22) resulting in nearly 20 deaths.
Well these stats beg to differ...Quote:
EVs are a clear and present danger, a national health emergency, and no face coverings will prevent children of color from being lexecuted in higher numbers due to poor investment in inner city super chargers.
Looks like EVs are LESS of a "clear and present" danger than the ICE vehicles that dominate the roads today...Quote:
AutoInsuranceEZ studied the frequency of fires from all causes, including collisions in automobiles in 2021. It found that hybrid vehicles, which have an internal combustion engine and an electric motor, had the most fires per 100,000 vehicles (3475), while vehicles with just an internal combustion engine placed second (1530 per 100,000).
Fully electric vehicles had the fewest: 25 per 100,000. These findings were based on data from the National Transportation Safety Board and the Bureau of Transportation Statistics.
Source: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40163966/cars-catching-fire-new-york-times-real-statistics/
Also.... just.... LOLWUTQuote:
and no face coverings will prevent children of color from being lexecuted in higher numbers due to poor investment in inner city super chargers.
aggievaulter07 said:Quote:
Tesla may not be finished but EV batteries made from Lithium ion batteries are a problem. 200+ incidents last year (through Nov 22) resulting in nearly 20 deaths.Well these stats beg to differ...Quote:
EVs are a clear and present danger, a national health emergency, and no face coverings will prevent children of color from being lexecuted in higher numbers due to poor investment in inner city super chargers.Looks like EVs are LESS of a "clear and present" danger than the ICE vehicles that dominate the roads today...Quote:
AutoInsuranceEZ studied the frequency of fires from all causes, including collisions in automobiles in 2021. It found that hybrid vehicles, which have an internal combustion engine and an electric motor, had the most fires per 100,000 vehicles (3475), while vehicles with just an internal combustion engine placed second (1530 per 100,000).
Fully electric vehicles had the fewest: 25 per 100,000. These findings were based on data from the National Transportation Safety Board and the Bureau of Transportation Statistics.
Source: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40163966/cars-catching-fire-new-york-times-real-statistics/
That amount of fire doesn't seem real
Won't somebody think of the children!?
Lithium ion batteries require a ABC dry chemical extinguisher since putting water on the fire is a no-no.
When they catch on fire they release the gases inside of them as a safety feature so they don't explode so they create some nice flames. Plus they burn at 900F+ which is a tad warm. It is rare but sometimes a cell can have a thermal runaway where one cell cannot keep its temperature and will keep getting up to 750F+. At that point there is really nothing you can do and it is often difficult to shoot the batteries with the extinguisher since they are on the bottom.
We may have had our first thermal runaway on a piece of oilfield equipment (we think it was negligence but have not seen the data logs yet) but these packs are designed with fireshields in them where the cells did pop but it kept the fire in. You would think EV cars would have some kind of fire shield on them.
We have been testing lithium titanate packs for another application and the user is putting a ridiculous amount of fire suppression on their units since they will be right next to a half dozen to a dozen others.
When they catch on fire they release the gases inside of them as a safety feature so they don't explode so they create some nice flames. Plus they burn at 900F+ which is a tad warm. It is rare but sometimes a cell can have a thermal runaway where one cell cannot keep its temperature and will keep getting up to 750F+. At that point there is really nothing you can do and it is often difficult to shoot the batteries with the extinguisher since they are on the bottom.
We may have had our first thermal runaway on a piece of oilfield equipment (we think it was negligence but have not seen the data logs yet) but these packs are designed with fireshields in them where the cells did pop but it kept the fire in. You would think EV cars would have some kind of fire shield on them.
We have been testing lithium titanate packs for another application and the user is putting a ridiculous amount of fire suppression on their units since they will be right next to a half dozen to a dozen others.
Data apparently comes directly from the National Transportation Safety Board, and the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. Dunno what else to say. Keep in mind, these stats include fires that result from a collision, too.Agthatbuilds said:aggievaulter07 said:Quote:
Tesla may not be finished but EV batteries made from Lithium ion batteries are a problem. 200+ incidents last year (through Nov 22) resulting in nearly 20 deaths.Well these stats beg to differ...Quote:
EVs are a clear and present danger, a national health emergency, and no face coverings will prevent children of color from being lexecuted in higher numbers due to poor investment in inner city super chargers.Looks like EVs are LESS of a "clear and present" danger than the ICE vehicles that dominate the roads today...Quote:
AutoInsuranceEZ studied the frequency of fires from all causes, including collisions in automobiles in 2021. It found that hybrid vehicles, which have an internal combustion engine and an electric motor, had the most fires per 100,000 vehicles (3475), while vehicles with just an internal combustion engine placed second (1530 per 100,000).
Fully electric vehicles had the fewest: 25 per 100,000. These findings were based on data from the National Transportation Safety Board and the Bureau of Transportation Statistics.
Source: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40163966/cars-catching-fire-new-york-times-real-statistics/
That amount of fire doesn't seem real
That translates to 3.4% of Hybrids, 1.5% of ICE, and 0.025% of BEVs.
Interesting. Thanks for providing some first-hand context.
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Worse than gas trucks with no power outlets, etc?
(Slightly snarky, but mostly serious & curious question)
I can camp without electricity most times and if I do need electricity I can book a site with electric.
But to answer your question, no, I wouldn't trade having a big portable battery for a HUGE reduction in cruising range. Plus the inconvenience of finding a charging station and long waiting times waiting while it charged would blow.
Fair enough.sam callahan said:Quote:
Worse than gas trucks with no power outlets, etc?
(Slightly snarky, but mostly serious & curious question)
I can camp without electricity most times and if I do need electricity I can book a site with electric.
But to answer your question, no, I wouldn't trade having a big portable battery for a HUGE reduction in cruising range. Plus the inconvenience of finding a charging station and long waiting times waiting while it charged would blow.
Sir, this is the TexAgs Politics board.aggievaulter07 said:Also.... just.... LOLWUTQuote:
and no face coverings will prevent children of color from being lexecuted in higher numbers due to poor investment in inner city super chargers.
PJYoung said:Sir, this is the TexAgs Politics board.aggievaulter07 said:Also.... just.... LOLWUTQuote:
and no face coverings will prevent children of color from being lexecuted in higher numbers due to poor investment in inner city super chargers.
Oops. I forgot.
ravingfans said:sam callahan said:
For campers it sucks balls.
Just put a good capacity generator in the bed and bring plenty of Jerry-Cans to cover your range requirements...
Just saw this on the funny political memes thread:
This guy is charging his EV with gas power generator.
— I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸 (@ImMeme0) February 16, 2023
You just can’t make this shit up.🤣pic.twitter.com/ROKQnbjk8t
You crack me up. Did you think I just made it up?
Also, its really not about the long debate. I have mine, you have yours.
What makes many have issue is mandates that "this is the way" and a bit of "you too can have salvation, but only if you denounce your whiteness, drive an EV, say 10,000 apologies, recognize your inherent white supremacy, and pay $19.95 to the Mo Fo Jo Two Oh Foe Hoe or your ain't Black" campaign.
Tired of that ***** Congrats on loving EVs, but when you become cultish about you need to start asking why…
Also, its really not about the long debate. I have mine, you have yours.
What makes many have issue is mandates that "this is the way" and a bit of "you too can have salvation, but only if you denounce your whiteness, drive an EV, say 10,000 apologies, recognize your inherent white supremacy, and pay $19.95 to the Mo Fo Jo Two Oh Foe Hoe or your ain't Black" campaign.
Tired of that ***** Congrats on loving EVs, but when you become cultish about you need to start asking why…
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
It's not that you were lying, it's that your comments were totally void of context, and the context is that EVs catch on fire way less than combustion vehicles. Dodge just issued a recall for their diesel trucks, because they might catch on fire. When I was a kid one of my good friend's house caught on fire because his parents Ford Expedition's cruise control system caught on fire. As of 2010 Ford had recalled 17.5 million vehicles over the issue. 200 fires in a year is nothing.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/163-news101022-ford-cruise-control-switch-recall/
Mandates aren't causing EV sales, EV sales are causing mandates. Politicians are reading the way the wind is blowing and then pretending like they commanded it to blow that way and you're pissed they have a wind vane and you don't.
EVs are being adopted because they are dramatically more efficient at converting stored energy into propulsion. An EV operating off a coal power plant is more efficient than a gas vehicle, and one operating off of a natural gas power plant is far more efficient.
The price of EVs relative to ICE vehicles is falling. The cost of operating an EV is far lower than an ICE vehicle. There is no reasonably expectable price level of gasoline that would cause that not to be reality. An EV gets 3-4 miles per kWh. At 12 cents a kWh that's 3-4 cents a mile. A 40 mpg vehicle would have to be buying gas for $1.20 in 2023. That ain't ever happening.
EVs presently are limited by range and their battery's energy density overall. That means long road trips and towing is not nearly as good with EVs. However, 75% of truck owners say they tow something 1 time or less per year and less than 35% say they tow something multiple times per year. In other words, towing is not a common practice among American drivers. Even less so internationally.
The average summer road trip in the U.S. is just 289 miles, meaning there are many models of EVs that can make the average road trip in a single stretch without stopping and the average range of EVs is increasing fairly rapidly. When faced with the choice of spending an extra $1000/yr on fuel and maintenance I think the average consumer is going to say "I can manage a 30 minute stop after 4-5 hours of driving once or twice a year." If they happen to be on the high side of average road trip length.
It's why even the Saudis are trying to hedge, by first trying to invest heavily in Tesla and then later investing in Lucid when the deal with Tesla fell through.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/163-news101022-ford-cruise-control-switch-recall/
Mandates aren't causing EV sales, EV sales are causing mandates. Politicians are reading the way the wind is blowing and then pretending like they commanded it to blow that way and you're pissed they have a wind vane and you don't.
EVs are being adopted because they are dramatically more efficient at converting stored energy into propulsion. An EV operating off a coal power plant is more efficient than a gas vehicle, and one operating off of a natural gas power plant is far more efficient.
The price of EVs relative to ICE vehicles is falling. The cost of operating an EV is far lower than an ICE vehicle. There is no reasonably expectable price level of gasoline that would cause that not to be reality. An EV gets 3-4 miles per kWh. At 12 cents a kWh that's 3-4 cents a mile. A 40 mpg vehicle would have to be buying gas for $1.20 in 2023. That ain't ever happening.
EVs presently are limited by range and their battery's energy density overall. That means long road trips and towing is not nearly as good with EVs. However, 75% of truck owners say they tow something 1 time or less per year and less than 35% say they tow something multiple times per year. In other words, towing is not a common practice among American drivers. Even less so internationally.
The average summer road trip in the U.S. is just 289 miles, meaning there are many models of EVs that can make the average road trip in a single stretch without stopping and the average range of EVs is increasing fairly rapidly. When faced with the choice of spending an extra $1000/yr on fuel and maintenance I think the average consumer is going to say "I can manage a 30 minute stop after 4-5 hours of driving once or twice a year." If they happen to be on the high side of average road trip length.
It's why even the Saudis are trying to hedge, by first trying to invest heavily in Tesla and then later investing in Lucid when the deal with Tesla fell through.
fka ftc said:
You crack me up. Did you think I just made it up?
Also, its really not about the long debate. I have mine, you have yours.
What makes many have issue is mandates that "this is the way" and a bit of "you too can have salvation, but only if you denounce your whiteness, drive an EV, say 10,000 apologies, recognize your inherent white supremacy, and pay $19.95 to the Mo Fo Jo Two Oh Foe Hoe or your ain't Black" campaign.
Tired of that ***** Congrats on loving EVs, but when you become cultish about you need to start asking why…
Is there a reason why you get defensive and start using ad hominem when you're simply asked where you get your numbers/statistics? I don't automatically think you just made it up, but as an anonymous poster on a message board, I also have zero reason to just take you at your word. Just like you have zero reason to take me at mine, WHICH IS WHY I CITE MY SOURCES, especially when I mention a number or a statistic that isn't an opinion.
Also, why in the world are you the only person bringing race into a discussion that has absolutely zero to do with race? Like seriously… Wtf, dude?
fka ftc said:
…"this is the way" and a bit of "you too can have salvation, but only if you denounce your whiteness, drive an EV, say 10,000 apologies, recognize your inherent white supremacy, and pay $19.95 to the Mo Fo Jo Two Oh Foe Hoe or your ain't Black" campaign.
I say again…
LOLWUT
aggievaulter07 said:fka ftc said:
…"this is the way" and a bit of "you too can have salvation, but only if you denounce your whiteness, drive an EV, say 10,000 apologies, recognize your inherent white supremacy, and pay $19.95 to the Mo Fo Jo Two Oh Foe Hoe or your ain't Black" campaign.
I say again…
LOLWUT
Don't even waste your time with this guy. He lives in an alternate world led by trolls. Alert him that you can actually buy things online now and don't have to go to the bank and pay your bills.
Lol at going to the bank to pay bills. You think that's how "old timers" paid bills because you use online bill pay through your bank. That's funny.
Sometimes people would pay certain bills at the place of that business or maybe at a grocery store or payment center.
Shows truly how uninformed you are in life. Educate yourself or choose ignorance of the world around t
Sometimes people would pay certain bills at the place of that business or maybe at a grocery store or payment center.
Shows truly how uninformed you are in life. Educate yourself or choose ignorance of the world around t
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
Looks we found the guy still writing checks at the grocery store
What? You never had an identity theft problem? I have because of online banking. Cost 30 grand that time.Quote:
Don't even waste your time with this guy. He lives in an alternate world led by trolls. Alert him that you can actually buy things online now and don't have to go to the bank and pay your bills.
YIKES!!!!aggiehawg said:What? You never had an identity theft problem? I have because of online banking. Cost 30 grand that time.Quote:
Don't even waste your time with this guy. He lives in an alternate world led by trolls. Alert him that you can actually buy things online now and don't have to go to the bank and pay your bills.
fka ftc said:
Lol at going to the bank to pay bills. You think that's how "old timers" paid bills because you use online bill pay through your bank. That's funny.
Sometimes people would pay certain bills at the place of that business or maybe at a grocery store or payment center.
Shows truly how uninformed you are in life. Educate yourself or choose ignorance of the world around t
Just put this guy on your ignore list. Anyone who says "Trust me, I didn't make this up, but I'm gonna get defensive if you ask where I got it", and posts some of the absolute non-intelligible gibberish that he does is not a serious person.
Not only do I have no reason to trust you directly, FKA, but based on your posting history, I have no reason to trust your ability to vet sources. You can't possibly be having fun in this thread. Maybe just ignore it.
Anyone that says "Tesla is valued at the same price as the next x auto manufacturers combined." Should watch this video.
Tesla is making fewer vehicles, making more money, has no debt, and is growing sales at ~50% per year. When you buy a stock in a company you're paying for what it will do, not what it has previously done, and the expectation is that Tesla is going to continue to grow much more rapidly and do it wildly more profitably.
Ford's CEO says that they are incapable of matching Tesla on cost, because they can't. They're not capable of the vertical integration that Tesla has. None of the legacy auto is capable of it.
Tesla is making fewer vehicles, making more money, has no debt, and is growing sales at ~50% per year. When you buy a stock in a company you're paying for what it will do, not what it has previously done, and the expectation is that Tesla is going to continue to grow much more rapidly and do it wildly more profitably.
Ford's CEO says that they are incapable of matching Tesla on cost, because they can't. They're not capable of the vertical integration that Tesla has. None of the legacy auto is capable of it.
aggievaulter07 said:fka ftc said:
Lol at going to the bank to pay bills. You think that's how "old timers" paid bills because you use online bill pay through your bank. That's funny.
Sometimes people would pay certain bills at the place of that business or maybe at a grocery store or payment center.
Shows truly how uninformed you are in life. Educate yourself or choose ignorance of the world around t
Just put this guy on your ignore list. Anyone who says "Trust me, I didn't make this up, but I'm gonna get defensive if you ask where I got it", and posts some of the absolute non-intelligible gibberish that he does is not a serious person.
Not only do I have no reason to trust you directly, FKA, but based on your posting history, I have no reason to trust your ability to vet sources. You can't possibly be having fun in this thread. Maybe just ignore it.
Boy, seems like somebody must have pissed in your Tesla gas tank this morning to make you ask for anyone to ignore me.
Your way into the ad hom category and not sure how your reply is related to this thread.
I have no issues with your ownership or love for EVs. I am obvious against mandates, don't see their value as you do, and most certainly do not share in the fantasies of an all EV future.
That doesn't make me dumb, ignorant, poorly informed, argumentative, or a member of the boomer class.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
fka ftc said:aggievaulter07 said:fka ftc said:
Lol at going to the bank to pay bills. You think that's how "old timers" paid bills because you use online bill pay through your bank. That's funny.
Sometimes people would pay certain bills at the place of that business or maybe at a grocery store or payment center.
Shows truly how uninformed you are in life. Educate yourself or choose ignorance of the world around t
Just put this guy on your ignore list. Anyone who says "Trust me, I didn't make this up, but I'm gonna get defensive if you ask where I got it", and posts some of the absolute non-intelligible gibberish that he does is not a serious person.
Not only do I have no reason to trust you directly, FKA, but based on your posting history, I have no reason to trust your ability to vet sources. You can't possibly be having fun in this thread. Maybe just ignore it.
Boy, seems like somebody must have pissed in your Tesla gas tank this morning to make you ask for anyone to ignore me.
Your way into the ad hom category and not sure how your reply is related to this thread.
I have no issues with your ownership or love for EVs. I am obvious against mandates, don't see their value as you do, and most certainly do not share in the fantasies of an all EV future.
That doesn't make me dumb, ignorant, poorly informed, argumentative, or a member of the boomer class.
Lots of straw manning from this one.
PS: I don't have you on my ignore list. I find our interactions to be entertaining. I don't actually have a problem with your opinions, although I do think they seem to be poorly informed. You shouldn't take offense to that statement. You can't expect much else when you cite no sources and your data/information seems to be at odds with cited data from THE reputable sources. ie: the government entities whose job it is to track public safety statistics and make regulations and policy based on those statistics.
I guess if you've got an extra $24K to spend it's great.hph6203 said:
For contractors, the F-150 Lightning is pretty badass. For a farm truck, it is not. For people that do not do either and enjoy driving a truck it is likewise pretty good.
Why would there be ANY need for ANY kind of mandate if everyone wanted EVs? That would just occur organically?hph6203 said:
It's not that you were lying, it's that your comments were totally void of context, and the context is that EVs catch on fire way less than combustion vehicles. Dodge just issued a recall for their diesel trucks, because they might catch on fire. When I was a kid one of my good friend's house caught on fire because his parents Ford Expedition's cruise control system caught on fire. As of 2010 Ford had recalled 17.5 million vehicles over the issue. 200 fires in a year is nothing.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/163-news101022-ford-cruise-control-switch-recall/
Mandates aren't causing EV sales, EV sales are causing mandates. Politicians are reading the way the wind is blowing and then pretending like they commanded it to blow that way and you're pissed they have a wind vane and you don't.
EVs are being adopted because they are dramatically more efficient at converting stored energy into propulsion. An EV operating off a coal power plant is more efficient than a gas vehicle, and one operating off of a natural gas power plant is far more efficient.
The price of EVs relative to ICE vehicles is falling. The cost of operating an EV is far lower than an ICE vehicle. There is no reasonably expectable price level of gasoline that would cause that not to be reality. An EV gets 3-4 miles per kWh. At 12 cents a kWh that's 3-4 cents a mile. A 40 mpg vehicle would have to be buying gas for $1.20 in 2023. That ain't ever happening.
EVs presently are limited by range and their battery's energy density overall. That means long road trips and towing is not nearly as good with EVs. However, 75% of truck owners say they tow something 1 time or less per year and less than 35% say they tow something multiple times per year. In other words, towing is not a common practice among American drivers. Even less so internationally.
The average summer road trip in the U.S. is just 289 miles, meaning there are many models of EVs that can make the average road trip in a single stretch without stopping and the average range of EVs is increasing fairly rapidly. When faced with the choice of spending an extra $1000/yr on fuel and maintenance I think the average consumer is going to say "I can manage a 30 minute stop after 4-5 hours of driving once or twice a year." If they happen to be on the high side of average road trip length.
It's why even the Saudis are trying to hedge, by first trying to invest heavily in Tesla and then later investing in Lucid when the deal with Tesla fell through.
Why would there be a need to force people to purchase them if they want them already?
Ag with kids said:Why would there be ANY need for ANY kind of mandate if everyone wanted EVs? That would just occur organically?hph6203 said:
It's not that you were lying, it's that your comments were totally void of context, and the context is that EVs catch on fire way less than combustion vehicles. Dodge just issued a recall for their diesel trucks, because they might catch on fire. When I was a kid one of my good friend's house caught on fire because his parents Ford Expedition's cruise control system caught on fire. As of 2010 Ford had recalled 17.5 million vehicles over the issue. 200 fires in a year is nothing.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/163-news101022-ford-cruise-control-switch-recall/
Mandates aren't causing EV sales, EV sales are causing mandates. Politicians are reading the way the wind is blowing and then pretending like they commanded it to blow that way and you're pissed they have a wind vane and you don't.
EVs are being adopted because they are dramatically more efficient at converting stored energy into propulsion. An EV operating off a coal power plant is more efficient than a gas vehicle, and one operating off of a natural gas power plant is far more efficient.
The price of EVs relative to ICE vehicles is falling. The cost of operating an EV is far lower than an ICE vehicle. There is no reasonably expectable price level of gasoline that would cause that not to be reality. An EV gets 3-4 miles per kWh. At 12 cents a kWh that's 3-4 cents a mile. A 40 mpg vehicle would have to be buying gas for $1.20 in 2023. That ain't ever happening.
EVs presently are limited by range and their battery's energy density overall. That means long road trips and towing is not nearly as good with EVs. However, 75% of truck owners say they tow something 1 time or less per year and less than 35% say they tow something multiple times per year. In other words, towing is not a common practice among American drivers. Even less so internationally.
The average summer road trip in the U.S. is just 289 miles, meaning there are many models of EVs that can make the average road trip in a single stretch without stopping and the average range of EVs is increasing fairly rapidly. When faced with the choice of spending an extra $1000/yr on fuel and maintenance I think the average consumer is going to say "I can manage a 30 minute stop after 4-5 hours of driving once or twice a year." If they happen to be on the high side of average road trip length.
It's why even the Saudis are trying to hedge, by first trying to invest heavily in Tesla and then later investing in Lucid when the deal with Tesla fell through.
Why would there be a need to force people to purchase them if they want them already?
I'll say it again… whether you (or I) personally believe it or not, climate change is a factor in the decision for what our government wants to incentivize. Capitalism and the desires and budgets of consumers are not always aligned with what is best for society.
Capitalism is great, and it's a big reason why the US rose to the top of the World pecking order, but it can't lead to the right result 100% of the time.
So, there are mandates and tax incentives to get us to the "better" result faster than unadulterated capitalism would have.
Whether any of us agree with that or not, THAT is the "why".
This is where you go naive and wrong on so many things.
Capitalism will always sort out for the greater good of society.
A well intentioned government program could help short circuit this process to get to the positive result (cleaner air programs, green spaces, nutritional facts labels, iodine in the salt, fluoride in the water, etc.
But big government and its grifting class just cannot help themselves.
Climate change is a fancy term for weather. Yes its real, its called weather and in a broader sense, the climate. It has been changing for billions of years, but we are to believe the ICE is the root of all these evils and must be destroyed. Whilst completely ignoring the total cost to humanity of switching to EVs and killing off ICE.
Capitalism will always sort out for the greater good of society.
A well intentioned government program could help short circuit this process to get to the positive result (cleaner air programs, green spaces, nutritional facts labels, iodine in the salt, fluoride in the water, etc.
But big government and its grifting class just cannot help themselves.
Climate change is a fancy term for weather. Yes its real, its called weather and in a broader sense, the climate. It has been changing for billions of years, but we are to believe the ICE is the root of all these evils and must be destroyed. Whilst completely ignoring the total cost to humanity of switching to EVs and killing off ICE.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
Where is all this magic stuff you call electricity, and the charge station infrastructure, going to come from?hph6203 said:
It's not that you were lying, it's that your comments were totally void of context, and the context is that EVs catch on fire way less than combustion vehicles. Dodge just issued a recall for their diesel trucks, because they might catch on fire. When I was a kid one of my good friend's house caught on fire because his parents Ford Expedition's cruise control system caught on fire. As of 2010 Ford had recalled 17.5 million vehicles over the issue. 200 fires in a year is nothing.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/163-news101022-ford-cruise-control-switch-recall/
Mandates aren't causing EV sales, EV sales are causing mandates. Politicians are reading the way the wind is blowing and then pretending like they commanded it to blow that way and you're pissed they have a wind vane and you don't.
EVs are being adopted because they are dramatically more efficient at converting stored energy into propulsion. An EV operating off a coal power plant is more efficient than a gas vehicle, and one operating off of a natural gas power plant is far more efficient.
The price of EVs relative to ICE vehicles is falling. The cost of operating an EV is far lower than an ICE vehicle. There is no reasonably expectable price level of gasoline that would cause that not to be reality. An EV gets 3-4 miles per kWh. At 12 cents a kWh that's 3-4 cents a mile. A 40 mpg vehicle would have to be buying gas for $1.20 in 2023. That ain't ever happening.
EVs presently are limited by range and their battery's energy density overall. That means long road trips and towing is not nearly as good with EVs. However, 75% of truck owners say they tow something 1 time or less per year and less than 35% say they tow something multiple times per year. In other words, towing is not a common practice among American drivers. Even less so internationally.
The average summer road trip in the U.S. is just 289 miles, meaning there are many models of EVs that can make the average road trip in a single stretch without stopping and the average range of EVs is increasing fairly rapidly. When faced with the choice of spending an extra $1000/yr on fuel and maintenance I think the average consumer is going to say "I can manage a 30 minute stop after 4-5 hours of driving once or twice a year." If they happen to be on the high side of average road trip length.
It's why even the Saudis are trying to hedge, by first trying to invest heavily in Tesla and then later investing in Lucid when the deal with Tesla fell through.
Last summer CA told electric automobile drivers not to charge during the daytime bc of rolling brown outs. You want that nation wide, because mandating electric vehicles is how you get that nationwide.
EVs are also worse for the environment (in total from minerals and materials out of the ground o build to wheel on the road) for the first 80-100k miles where they start to catch up with gas vehicles. Let's not forget the slave labor used to mine the elements used for batteries.
The mandates are stupid bc they don't make economic sense at all.
fka ftc said:
This is where you go naive and wrong on so many things.
Capitalism will always sort out for the greater good of society.
A well intentioned government program could help short circuit this process to get to the positive result (cleaner air programs, green spaces, nutritional facts labels, iodine in the salt, fluoride in the water, etc.
But big government and its grifting class just cannot help themselves.
Climate change is a fancy term for weather. Yes its real, its called weather and in a broader sense, the climate. It has been changing for billions of years, but we are to believe the ICE is the root of all these evils and must be destroyed. Whilst completely ignoring the total cost to humanity of switching to EVs and killing off ICE.
You are all over the map. You tell me I'm naive and wrong, then you basically say the same thing I already said re: capitalism and government, then you go off on a climate change denier rant.
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