They certainly share an ideology and worldview. Completely misguided.evan_aggie said:
Co2023 is probably friends with the dude who started, "Inflation is not a problem" on the Business forum.
aggievaulter07 said:
For the "Tesla is Finished" and the "Competition is Coming" crowds...Sales, 10 Yrs Ago...
— Charlie Bilello (@charliebilello) February 7, 2023
GM: $152 billion
Ford: $134 bil.
Tesla: $0.4 bil.
Sales Today...
GM: $157 billion
Ford: $158 bil.
Tesla: $81 bil.
Net Income, 10 Yrs Ago...$GM: $6.2 billion$F: $5.6 bil.$TSLA: -$0.4 bil.
Net Income Today...$GM: $10 billion$F: -$2 bil.$TSLA: $13 bil. pic.twitter.com/7ze0bmMPKl
That Net Income, tho…
(SPOILER: It's more than GM and Ford combined)
IslanderAg04 said:Medaggie said:I have owned an BMW X5, 3 series, Odessey, Buick enclave the past 10 yrs. Each had its purpose until I found something better to fit my family. Again, if any of these 4 cars gave me the convenience/personal practicality of my Tesla Y, I would still be in ICE. I can care less about the green/politics angle so don't care to debate it. I can care less if ICE goes out of business and jobs lost b/c jobs will be gained in the EV side.IslanderAg04 said:Medaggie said:
I own a tesla and not a fanboy. I like their look and much quicker than an ICE.
But if someone can create an ICE car with similar tech/quickness, less maintenance, allows me to refuel at home at 1/3 the gas station costs, then I will drop my Tesla in a heartbeat as it allows me to fill every mile.
I am happy to trade in the inconvenience of charging on the road for the convenience fo charging at home.
My purchase has nothing to do with the environment, climate change. It has only to do with what works for my driving needs which I believe it true for 80% of drivers.
Not a fan boy, but written like a fan boy. What ICE cars have you owned?
Here is my last 24 hrs with the car and why it works for me.
Drove from Austin with 175miles range to BCS with 40mile range left. We put a Tsla charger at my work. in 5 hrs, ended charging at 260miles. Drove back to Austin, with 120 miles range left. Picked up kids for basketball game, went home, drove daughter to VB practice, drove home. Came home with 40 miles left.
Total driving in 24 about 300 miles and cost me about $6 as I charged it fully at work. If I did this with an ICE, I likely would have had to pour gas and spent $30 in my BMW.
I never have range anxiety doing 99.9% of my drives b/c there are chargers everywhere on my routes.
Out the door, what did you pay for your Y, and what model?
Also I work at the summit on SW parkway, and have yet to see a day where a supercharger is available. Plus you have to pay an hourly rate just to use the spaces on top of the charging fee's.
False, except for tech start-upsIslanderAg04 said:aggievaulter07 said:
For the "Tesla is Finished" and the "Competition is Coming" crowds...Sales, 10 Yrs Ago...
— Charlie Bilello (@charliebilello) February 7, 2023
GM: $152 billion
Ford: $134 bil.
Tesla: $0.4 bil.
Sales Today...
GM: $157 billion
Ford: $158 bil.
Tesla: $81 bil.
Net Income, 10 Yrs Ago...$GM: $6.2 billion$F: $5.6 bil.$TSLA: -$0.4 bil.
Net Income Today...$GM: $10 billion$F: -$2 bil.$TSLA: $13 bil. pic.twitter.com/7ze0bmMPKl
That Net Income, tho…
(SPOILER: It's more than GM and Ford combined)
Looking at net income is a slippery slope. Why revenue is considered a better statistic.
Example Amazon operated for years in a 0 profit model, rolling all profits into expansion. They recorded a 2.7 billion dollar loss, yet 514 billion in revenue for 2022.
smitshot said:
We need to start a new Tesla news thread so everyone has access to the latest good and bad news regarding this juggernaut. So much misinformation out there. Plus the more Aggies that get rich investing in Tesla and shorting GM the more money we have for NIL.
Tanya 93 said:
It is not new conservative politics.
It is actually being a liberal that doesn't have to silence people because what they say or believe makes them piss their pants like a toddler being toilet trained.
As a liberal who has been on this board since before you could walk, don't lecture on what he is doing.
Free speech was the anthem of liberals until pansies like you took over and need to punish people for different ideas.
Bite me.
Teslag said:IslanderAg04 said:Medaggie said:I have owned an BMW X5, 3 series, Odessey, Buick enclave the past 10 yrs. Each had its purpose until I found something better to fit my family. Again, if any of these 4 cars gave me the convenience/personal practicality of my Tesla Y, I would still be in ICE. I can care less about the green/politics angle so don't care to debate it. I can care less if ICE goes out of business and jobs lost b/c jobs will be gained in the EV side.IslanderAg04 said:Medaggie said:
I own a tesla and not a fanboy. I like their look and much quicker than an ICE.
But if someone can create an ICE car with similar tech/quickness, less maintenance, allows me to refuel at home at 1/3 the gas station costs, then I will drop my Tesla in a heartbeat as it allows me to fill every mile.
I am happy to trade in the inconvenience of charging on the road for the convenience fo charging at home.
My purchase has nothing to do with the environment, climate change. It has only to do with what works for my driving needs which I believe it true for 80% of drivers.
Not a fan boy, but written like a fan boy. What ICE cars have you owned?
Here is my last 24 hrs with the car and why it works for me.
Drove from Austin with 175miles range to BCS with 40mile range left. We put a Tsla charger at my work. in 5 hrs, ended charging at 260miles. Drove back to Austin, with 120 miles range left. Picked up kids for basketball game, went home, drove daughter to VB practice, drove home. Came home with 40 miles left.
Total driving in 24 about 300 miles and cost me about $6 as I charged it fully at work. If I did this with an ICE, I likely would have had to pour gas and spent $30 in my BMW.
I never have range anxiety doing 99.9% of my drives b/c there are chargers everywhere on my routes.
Out the door, what did you pay for your Y, and what model?
Also I work at the summit on SW parkway, and have yet to see a day where a supercharger is available. Plus you have to pay an hourly rate just to use the spaces on top of the charging fee's.
The bolded part is completely false. Not sure where you heard that. I can look right now on my Tesla and every single supercharger in the Houston area has availability.
Pass the pipe bruh, and I may be able to translate what you are saying...hph6203 said:
"Oh, that was incorrect information. I learned something today!"
Try it. You might actually learn something.
What the hell are you talking about here? I made no comment on this stuff.hph6203 said:
I'm saying you take every piece of information and turn it into a negative narrative to fit your perspective rather than acknowledging that sometimes people say things that are at the very least misunderstood if not outright wrong.
You're allowing edge case scenarios to direct your perspective, which is why you think market penetration will cap at 20-25% while there are markets where EVs make up more than 30% (as high as 80%) of all new car sales.
The idle fee is $.50/minute, and is waived if the vehicle is moved within 5 minutes of full charge. You get a notification on your phone when the car is nearing full charge and again when it is at full charge. It is only charged if the station is at >50% occupancy. You can't park at a gas pump, why would you think it'd be reasonable to park at a charging station?
This thread is about Tesla being finished unless I misread the OP. Start a thread on idle fees if you want that.hph6203 said:
You understand you responded to a discussion about the idle fees, right?
I think that you'll find that the vast majority of EV owners don't give a damn about the emissions but rather the step change in technology improvement/convenience from combustion vehicles to EVs.
Premium said:
EV will take over as soon as Nuclear becomes widely accepted. Also batteries that last longer, weigh less and charge faster will come. So maybe 10-15 years for many consumer and also fleet vehicles - IF nuclear starts moving in the next 5.
Premium said:
Charging a ev takes so long you are less likely to be around. If you fill up at a gas station you have enough time to go in for a bathroom break and your car will be full without notification needed. If your ev is going to take 30 minutes to one hour you may or may not have enough time to get your grocery shopping or mall trip completed without having to run out to the car to avoid an idle fee.
Idle fee is probably the right thing to do, but it also sounds annoying af.
My hybrid truck has a range of 638 miles. I fill up every other week.Teslag said:Premium said:
Charging a ev takes so long you are less likely to be around. If you fill up at a gas station you have enough time to go in for a bathroom break and your car will be full without notification needed. If your ev is going to take 30 minutes to one hour you may or may not have enough time to get your grocery shopping or mall trip completed without having to run out to the car to avoid an idle fee.
Idle fee is probably the right thing to do, but it also sounds annoying af.
Most, if almost all, EV owners would never have to charge their vehicle away from home while running daily errands. I can drive all over the dfw area and shop/run errands without ever thinking of charging with ample battery to spare.
So...30 years from now. Because getting those nukes built will take 15-20 years due to regulatory issues. Which is bull****, but it is what situation is now...Premium said:
EV will take over as soon as Nuclear becomes widely accepted. Also batteries that last longer, weigh less and charge faster will come. So maybe 10-15 years for many consumer and also fleet vehicles - IF nuclear starts moving in the next 5.
But, he doesn't have to worry about where to fill up if it gets low.hph6203 said:
You still spend ~4x as much per mile and more time refueling your truck than the average EV driver.
