Tesla is Finished

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RafterAg223 said:

OP is clearly an economic illiterate and thinks that everything runs on feels. I'll bookmark this and come back to it in about a year after I've made a ton of money loading up on TSLA at fire sale prices.

This post also reeks of economic illiteracy that is using the feels of flexing on the OP to make a bad investment decision. I wouldn't touch Tesla right now, except as part of a well diversified portfolio. Do you know some thing about how Tesla will justify their revenue growth to support the current valuation that the rest of don't?
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AggieCo2023 said:

No but saying to prosecute Fauci, urging his followers to vote for Republicans and endorsing Ron Desantis is I would say. Nothing wrong with it, but weird choice when your customer base disagrees with it. Would be like if the Smith & Wesson CEO started making everyone list their pronouns.
Have a liberal position, keep it if you want

1) Prosecute Fauci

Why would Elon say this after taking over twitter, what new information could he have learned?

It reductionists and simplistic just to say he's gone conservative or ultra right. What could he have learned that help him form that opinion?

2) Vote for republicans

Why would a center left individual change their historic trend of voting?

3) Ron Desantis

What would Elon find appealing about Desantis as a father, entrepreneur, and covid response.




Elon largely left Ca due to political climate, taxes and Covid response.

If you go back, he was often at odds with local and state politicians in Ca
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Its not uncommon for a stock price to be depressed after a stock split for various reasons, not the least of which it easier and cheaper to short the stock (as in cheaper to borrow stock) when the price is low. You dont see stock splits in a downward trending market or when a stock is decreasing in share price, so a short term downward pressure on the stock price is common post-split. Also stock splits can signal something of a 'running out of ideas' corporate strategy.
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Here's the thing. If you are in time forced buy trends and convenience to buy an EV, are you going to buy one from a company that has showed it cares about the big picture, or one that puts left ideology first? Which do you trust more to make a good product and respond to feedback?

If the activist Left (that's nearly ALL Hollywood and Mainstream Media and thus very loud) makes this ideological, could easily see all the anti-Left when they do buy an EV giving Tesla the first crack.
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Tanya 93 said:

It is not new conservative politics.


It is actually being a liberal that doesn't have to silence people because what they say or believe makes them piss their pants like a toddler being toilet trained.


As a liberal who has been on this board since before you could walk, don't lecture on what he is doing.


Free speech was the anthem of liberals until pansies like you took over and need to punish people for different ideas.


Bite me.
This is awesome!
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GinMan said:

Tanya 93 said:

It is not new conservative politics.


It is actually being a liberal that doesn't have to silence people because what they say or believe makes them piss their pants like a toddler being toilet trained.


As a liberal who has been on this board since before you could walk, don't lecture on what he is doing.


Free speech was the anthem of liberals until pansies like you took over and need to punish people for different ideas.


Bite me.


…yet you voted for Joe Biden, and you're old enough to know better, bless your heart…
I have never voted for Joe Biden.

So you are either lying or misinformed
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WaltonAg18 said:

Frederick Palowaski said:

Thanks for finally admitting you think freedom of speech is a "right wing ideology".
"freedom of speech" to your ilk really just means "my opinions and the ones I agree with should be boosted"




Elon laid out why that account was banned. He caused a stalking charge against another person someone thought was Elon.
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AggieCo2023 said:

Whatever one may think of Elon and his new conservative politics, it is an extremely questionable move to become a public spokesperson for right wing ideology while running an electric car and solar panel company. Liberals were probably 75% of his customers (at least) and he has completed lost them. I predict Tesla stock price will continue to plummet as Elon is clearly distracted and prioritizing Twitter.
Good lord. How did liberals get so programmed that they now think free speech equals "right wing ideology"?

Elon is not even conservative. He's just standing up against government corruption and a tiny cabal of elitists controlling all narratives and standing up FOR free speech.

msm programming is making people ******ed.
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Tesla is finished bc it's a dog**** automobile, not bc Elon stood up for free speech
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WaltonAg18 said:

Frederick Palowaski said:

Thanks for finally admitting you think freedom of speech is a "right wing ideology".
"freedom of speech" to your ilk really just means "my opinions and the ones I agree with should be boosted"


You know he banned him because Sweeny started stalking a car that had his kids in it?
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You realize that conservatives don't live like you do right?

We're adult enough to realize that not everyone has the same beliefs
We're adult enough to realize that not everyone wants to live their life the same way.
We're adult enough to realize that being offended sometimes is apart of life.

As long as preaching of beliefs or cramming woke-ness down our throats isn't involved...We will buy products, listen to music, and watch movies with actors that are left-wing nut jobs. Not because we agree with their politics, but we like the product that is being produced.

You might try it. It makes the world a more enjoyable place to live for everyone.
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Quote:

"freedom of speech" to your ilk really just means "my opinions and the ones I agree with should be boosted"



pot meet kettle

And FTR, I'm against Elon banning those accounts after his free speech spiel.
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Tanya 93 said:

GinMan said:

Tanya 93 said:

It is not new conservative politics.


It is actually being a liberal that doesn't have to silence people because what they say or believe makes them piss their pants like a toddler being toilet trained.


As a liberal who has been on this board since before you could walk, don't lecture on what he is doing.


Free speech was the anthem of liberals until pansies like you took over and need to punish people for different ideas.


Bite me.


…yet you voted for Joe Biden, and you're old enough to know better, bless your heart…
I have never voted for Joe Biden.

So you are either lying or misinformed

Respect.
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Tanya 93 said:

GinMan said:

Tanya 93 said:

It is not new conservative politics.


It is actually being a liberal that doesn't have to silence people because what they say or believe makes them piss their pants like a toddler being toilet trained.


As a liberal who has been on this board since before you could walk, don't lecture on what he is doing.


Free speech was the anthem of liberals until pansies like you took over and need to punish people for different ideas.


Bite me.


…yet you voted for Joe Biden, and you're old enough to know better, bless your heart…
I have never voted for Joe Biden.

So you are either lying or misinformed
More "telling you" who you voted for!
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CDUB98 said:





And FTR, I'm against Elon banning those accounts after his free speech spiel.

The dude jumped on a car with Elons kids inside......
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AggieCo2023 said:



Whatever one may think of Elon and his new conservative politics, it is an extremely questionable move to become a public spokesperson for right wing ideology while running an electric car and solar panel company. Liberals were probably 75% of his customers (at least) and he has completed lost them. I predict Tesla stock price will continue to plummet as Elon is clearly distracted and prioritizing Twitter.
F that, every major corporation is woke left wing and had no problem hurting their employees (and their families) if they didn't get the magic Fauci juice that the braindead child sniffing and groping president commanded them to get...just months after he was trying to scare people away from it.

This just shows how stupid liberals and their priorities are. He's not even that conservative at all. But the fact that he is pushing free speech and is against suppression of the side you disagree with politically, leftists HATE him and view him basically as a nazi.

YOU AND YOUR BRETHREN ARE THE PROBLEM. IT'S PATHETIC. ULTIMATE LIARS AND HYPOCRITES.
“Elon's wife left him for a trans woman and he dove right into the alt right pipeline, can't make this stuff up”
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Tanya 93 said:

It is not new conservative politics.


It is actually being a liberal that doesn't have to silence people because what they say or believe makes them piss their pants like a toddler being toilet trained.


As a liberal who has been on this board since before you could walk, don't lecture on what he is doing.


Free speech was the anthem of liberals until pansies like you took over and need to punish people for different ideas.


Bite me.
“Elon's wife left him for a trans woman and he dove right into the alt right pipeline, can't make this stuff up”
-Old McDonald
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Admiral Adama said:

I think it has more to do with Tesla being at a 48 price to earnings ratio after the latest dip without any geewhiz new tech/product announcements that justify such a bold valuation.


I think it's a combination of things. This is just anecdotal evidence, but we were at my wife's company's Christmas party and, naturally, the subject of Elon came up (he seems to occupy so much of the public mind space these days). Several of the women present indicated that they would never buy a Tesla because they just don't like Elon, personally.

I just don't see the value proposition in any business person going public with their own private politics. You run the risk of immediately losing 50% of your potential customers. In this case it appears to be more than that since my guess is that liberals made up the large majority of Tesla buyers. Combine that with the fact that all of the legacy car manufacturers are coming on line with capable EVs and it just doesn't seem wise to me.

My wife's next car will be an EV. That's probably three years away. Two years ago it certainly would have been a Tesla. Now? Doubtful.
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AggieCo2023 said:

No but saying to prosecute Fauci, urging his followers to vote for Republicans and endorsing Ron Desantis is I would say. Nothing wrong with it, but weird choice when your customer base disagrees with it. Would be like if the Smith & Wesson CEO started making everyone list their pronouns.
People that make investment decisions based upon emotion are idiots. Now that I think about it that matches to how liberals make decisions.
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pacecar02 said:

CDUB98 said:





And FTR, I'm against Elon banning those accounts after his free speech spiel.

The dude jumped on a car with Elons kids inside......


I did not know this until now. Fair point. The nutjob does deserve a ban then.
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AggieCo2023 said:



Whatever one may think of Elon and his new conservative politics, it is an extremely questionable move to become a public spokesperson for right wing ideology while running an electric car and solar panel company. Liberals were probably 75% of his customers (at least) and he has completed lost them. I predict Tesla stock price will continue to plummet as Elon is clearly distracted and prioritizing Twitter.
Who knew?

Freedom of speech is "right wing ideology"
If you don't think liberals are America's #1 enemy, that should do it.
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45-70Ag said:

He isn't conservative, he's against stupidity which by and large means he's against woke ideology.
This is a great way of putting it...he's simply a practical and logic driven person who is against tyranny, stupidity, and lunacy...which modern progressives excel at.

I firmly believe he would vote dem every election if this were still the democrat party of 12-15 years ago.

HE IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE.
“Elon's wife left him for a trans woman and he dove right into the alt right pipeline, can't make this stuff up”
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AggieCo2023 said:



Whatever one may think of Elon and his new conservative politics, it is an extremely questionable move to become a public spokesperson for right wing ideology while running an electric car and solar panel company. Liberals were probably 75% of his customers (at least) and he has completed lost them. I predict Tesla stock price will continue to plummet as Elon is clearly distracted and prioritizing Twitter.


If I had to pick one singular post to show how leftists are power hungry ideologues, this would be the one.

"Conservative politics". Dude isn't conservative in any way form or fashion. He's a classical liberal (now typically called libertarian) that's is being railroaded for not following the company line put out by democrats.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Frederick Palowaski said:

Thanks for finally admitting you think freedom of speech is a "right wing ideology".
"freedom of speech" to your ilk really just means "my opinions and the ones I agree with should be boosted"




Another fail by Walton. Never change.
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Ive been cash ever since arse face poopy pats was inaugurated but Telsa is one ive been tempted to buy
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Aggie Apotheosis said:

Admiral Adama said:

I think it has more to do with Tesla being at a 48 price to earnings ratio after the latest dip without any geewhiz new tech/product announcements that justify such a bold valuation.


I think it's a combination of things. This is just anecdotal evidence, but we were at my wife's company's Christmas party and, naturally, the subject of Elon came up (he seems to occupy so much of the public mind space these days). Several of the women present indicated that they would never buy a Tesla because they just don't like Elon, personally.

I just don't see the value proposition in any business person going public with their own private politics. You run the risk of immediately losing 50% of your potential customers. In this case it appears to be more than that since my guess is that liberals made up the large majority of Tesla buyers. Combine that with the fact that all of the legacy car manufacturers are coming on line with capable EVs and it just doesn't seem wise to me.

My wife's next car will be an EV. That's probably three years away. Two years ago it certainly would have been a Tesla. Now? Doubtful.


I also think that with every auto company going EV, fully or partially in the next few years, that likely has as much to do with the drop as anything else.

I'm sure Tesla's will still be everywhere as time moves on, but they won't be the only one that's popular, or even the ones with the best symbol of status in that area.

That being said, Elon did lead the charge to move away from autos running of gas, to EV, and that's one hell of a legacy.
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Aggie Apotheosis said:

Admiral Adama said:

I think it has more to do with Tesla being at a 48 price to earnings ratio after the latest dip without any geewhiz new tech/product announcements that justify such a bold valuation.


I think it's a combination of things. This is just anecdotal evidence, but we were at my wife's company's Christmas party and, naturally, the subject of Elon came up (he seems to occupy so much of the public mind space these days). Several of the women present indicated that they would never buy a Tesla because they just don't like Elon, personally.

I just don't see the value proposition in any business person going public with their own private politics. You run the risk of immediately losing 50% of your potential customers. In this case it appears to be more than that since my guess is that liberals made up the large majority of Tesla buyers. Combine that with the fact that all of the legacy car manufacturers are coming on line with capable EVs and it just doesn't seem wise to me.

My wife's next car will be an EV. That's probably three years away. Two years ago it certainly would have been a Tesla. Now? Doubtful.
If you take this at face value (and actions support it) Elon Musk is not doing it for entirely selfish reasons like most of GOP-e and all the Democratic Party on the Hill. And virtually all the national media goons.






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The cars are kind of bad cars. The lack of QC and limited production capacity have been issues since the beginning, but at the beginning they were still the best EV. Not so much now. Now you can get a BMW EV for the same price, with much better quality and service. And soon that will be true of all the big manufacturers. Is Tesla in a position to compete in that market, with substandard build quality, less sales/service infrastructure, limited production capacity, a $15k price tag on the optional autopilot software that seems less than reliable at not slamming you into a highway divider, and the face of the brand seemingly determined to piss off much of his potential customer base?
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Layne Staley said:

Ive been cash ever since arse face poopy pats was inaugurated but Telsa is one ive been tempted to buy


It's getting real close to buy territory.

Keep looking at the charts, (MACD, RSI, MFI) and you can probably hit a good entry point. But you need to have your exit strategy planned as well unless you plan on long term hold.
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How many of you leftys realize that Tesla is more than just a car company?
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Admiral Adama said:

RafterAg223 said:

OP is clearly an economic illiterate and thinks that everything runs on feels. I'll bookmark this and come back to it in about a year after I've made a ton of money loading up on TSLA at fire sale prices.

This post also reeks of economic illiteracy that is using the feels of flexing on the OP to make a bad investment decision. I wouldn't touch Tesla right now, except as part of a well diversified portfolio. Do you know some thing about how Tesla will justify their revenue growth to support the current valuation that the rest of don't?
Do what you like I'm buying bit by bit. That said, you clearly don't understand TSLA is not a car manufacturer, they are an energy company focused on electrical power generation and storage with a hefty dose of software development. They are the next generation GE. They've exceled at everything they've done, and I'm willing to bet they will continue to do so.

BTW, diversification renders you the average market return, may as well do an ETF.!

That's why I'm buying...It's dawned on me that the best sector to be in for the foreseeable future is energy, both electric and hydrocarbon. I don't care what you say, we are not going to stop producing oil, it can't be replaced by biofuels for any meaningful manufacturing and fertilizer production for a long while. But you also see the emergence of electrical power permeating every sector of the economy already powered by some form of hydrocarbon. They (whoever they maybe) are driving us in this direction, may as well profit from it.

It's like when one of my clients wants to do a LEED project. I always tell them, okay, building code already demands you meet energy code, we can increase the performance simply by design and specification, but the costs are going to rise beyond the most cost-effective means, but you want me to document this for your LEED Certification, the fee will go up thirty percent just for the paperwork. First thing they say is "hmmm, let me think about it".
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VitruvianAg said:

Admiral Adama said:

RafterAg223 said:

OP is clearly an economic illiterate and thinks that everything runs on feels. I'll bookmark this and come back to it in about a year after I've made a ton of money loading up on TSLA at fire sale prices.

This post also reeks of economic illiteracy that is using the feels of flexing on the OP to make a bad investment decision. I wouldn't touch Tesla right now, except as part of a well diversified portfolio. Do you know some thing about how Tesla will justify their revenue growth to support the current valuation that the rest of don't?
Do what you like I'm buying bit by bit. That said, you clearly don't understand TSLA is not a car manufacturer, they are an energy company focused on electrical power generation and storage with a hefty dose of software development. They are the next generation GE. They've exceled at everything they've done, and I'm willing to bet they will continue to do so.

BTW, diversification renders you the average market return, may as well do an ETF.!

That's why I'm buying...It's dawned on me that the best sector to be in for the foreseeable future is energy, both electric and hydrocarbon. I don't care what you say, we are not going to stop producing oil, it can't be replaced by biofuels for any meaningful manufacturing and fertilizer production for a long while. But you also see the emergence of electrical power permeating every sector of the economy already powered by some form of hydrocarbon. They (whoever they maybe) are driving us in this direction, may as well profit from it.

It's like when one of my clients wants to do a LEED project. I always tell them, okay, building code already demands you meet energy code, we can increase the performance simply by design and specification, but the costs are going to rise beyond the most cost-effective means, but you want me to document this for your LEED Certification, the fee will go up thirty percent just for the paperwork. First thing they say is "hmmm, let me think about it".


This guy gets it.
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My Name Is Judge said:

Tesla is finished bc it's a dog**** automobile, not bc Elon stood up for free speech
Sandy Munro would like a word with you, if you don't know who he is then your post makes sense.

I wouldn't buy one only because it doesn't fit my lifestyle.

ETA, the CyberTruck.....may fit better.
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Interesting that transparency and telling the truth is now labeled "right wing ideology".
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AggieCo2023 said:



Whatever one may think of Elon and his new conservative politics, it is an extremely questionable move to become a public spokesperson for right wing ideology while running an electric car and solar panel company. Liberals were probably 75% of his customers (at least) and he has completed lost them. I predict Tesla stock price will continue to plummet as Elon is clearly distracted and prioritizing Twitter.
More proof that liberals do not live in reality and have an extremely poor understanding of current and historical events. Everything they "know" is a perversion of reality based on DNC narratives instead of facts. Elon is a free speech advocate and not a right wing spokesperson. It just so happens that free speech aligns with right wing ideology and is starkly opposed by modern progressives. Modern progressives are absolutely and unequivocally on the wrong side of history on this issue.
 
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