Plug in hybrids are the best.

Don't need as much battery materials and get nearly the same emissions reductions.

If there were more available I would have gotten one for my last purchase, there just weren't enough. I went with an ICE vehicle. Maybe in ten years there will be more options and I'll get they hybrid.

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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An EMP would likely take out the gas stations and most ice vehicles as well.

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Wrong on the ICE vehicles. There was a report on that before the govt started forcing EVs on us. It's a myth.

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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An EMP would likely take out the gas stations and most ice vehicles as well.

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100% effective on EV vehicles

0% effective on old Volkswagens and jeeps.

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So it will affect almost all drivers in the country.

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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An EMP would likely take out the gas stations and most ice vehicles as well.

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Wrong on the ICE vehicles. There was a report on that before the govt started forcing EVs on us. It's a myth.

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If it won't fry the control board of a modern ice vehicle then it won't harm an EV. The high voltage components in an EV would be able to better dissipate the pulse, while the low voltage components aren't much different than an ICE.

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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An EMP would likely take out the gas stations and most ice vehicles as well.

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Wrong on the ICE vehicles. There was a report on that before the govt started forcing EVs on us. It's a myth.

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They have an EMP simulator at Sandia Labs. I assure you modern day ICE cars have too much computing electronics on them. EMP will zap them too. Had a federal court case involving that EMP simulator and what it did to cars in early 1980s. Only vehicle that survived in that testing was a 1966 Dodge truck.

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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An EMP would likely take out the gas stations and most ice vehicles as well.

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Wrong on the ICE vehicles. There was a report on that before the govt started forcing EVs on us. It's a myth.

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They have an EMP simulator at Sandia Labs. I assure you modern day ICE cars have too much computing electronics on them. EMP will zap them too. Had a federal court case involving that EMP simulator and what it did to cars in early 1980s. Only vehicle that survived in that testing was a 1966 Dodge truck.

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Truth. Though many pre-1990s cars would be able to be retrofitted without much work. Likely just replacing some wires and the starter. Once computers, efi, and other by wire systems take hold, its too embedded to fix the vehicle.

In One Second After, the main character gets around in Ford Edsel. I could absolutely see Ms. Hawg driving around an Edsel in post EMP Texas.

Lot of truth to that. I had an EFI outboard that lost its control board. Wouldn't even crank without that board, much less fire the plugs, fill the VST, or prime the injectors. It was worthless without it.

That's from the old Day After movie that aired in 1983. The air burst EMP from the Soviets shut down every vehicle on the highway. Even then they were fearful of an EMP.

Maybe someday we will go nuclear and solve our grid issues but I doubt it happens in my lifetime. Seems like the obvious answer for everybody.

Here's a clip talking about the coming grid issues in the RGV.

https://riograndeguardian.com/patridge-rgv-may-run-into-a-tight-power-situation/

"The Valley is using up power capacity very, very quickly with our growth. And so they (AEP) are looking at bringing more power lines into the Valley. They have 138,000 lines that they're looking at moving into the Valley. But what's important or is interesting is it is going to be 2027 because they can't get the towers and they can't get the equipment and the wire for building those power lines."

Patridge continued: "So, between now and 2027 we really may run into a tight power situation. So, those are things that are being brought up by the supply chain that you read about or you hear about on the news all the time. Well, that's real because they're having to bring their wire in from India and the towers in from India. And right now they said that the supplier of the towers has a four-year backlog."

Patridge said the shortage of towers and wire is not only going to impact South Texas. "It is going to impact the whole state and probably the whole country," he warned.

All those newe migrants will probably get a grant from Biden to buy an EV and get a free FEMA house with a Tesla charger.

Feds will walk away and tell you to have power to the area by sundown or its racist. Fed will use this as way to take over grid in Texas.

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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An EMP would likely take out the gas stations and most ice vehicles as well.

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Wrong on the ICE vehicles. There was a report on that before the govt started forcing EVs on us. It's a myth.

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If it won't fry the control board of a modern ice vehicle then it won't harm an EV. The high voltage components in an EV would be able to better dissipate the pulse, while the low voltage components aren't much different than an ICE.

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True. I was merely responding to your statement. The entire EMP "worry" is overstated.

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Here's a clip talking about the coming grid issues in the RGV.

https://riograndeguardian.com/patridge-rgv-may-run-into-a-tight-power-situation/

"The Valley is using up power capacity very, very quickly with our growth. And so they (AEP) are looking at bringing more power lines into the Valley. They have 138,000 lines that they're looking at moving into the Valley. But what's important or is interesting is it is going to be 2027 because they can't get the towers and they can't get the equipment and the wire for building those power lines."

Patridge continued: "So, between now and 2027 we really may run into a tight power situation. So, those are things that are being brought up by the supply chain that you read about or you hear about on the news all the time. Well, that's real because they're having to bring their wire in from India and the towers in from India. And right now they said that the supplier of the towers has a four-year backlog."

Patridge said the shortage of towers and wire is not only going to impact South Texas. "It is going to impact the whole state and probably the whole country," he warned.

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Those who are paying attention are saying the grid transmission capacity is what will be the biggest challenge to the grid, not power supply.

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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Bruh, we aren't talking about emergency rations here. We're talking about infrastructure and convenience. There's nothing more convenient than charging every night at my house, and there's no ICE equivalent to that convenience.

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Doesn't matter where you stand on the argument, Texas infrastructure could not support a high amount of EV as a percentage of use. I'm taking about power delivery as well as nuclear power production. To fill a fleet of EV on a yard it takes a build out of power delivery. To not crash the grid, for consumers, it will take nuclear.

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Elon is basically BEGGING governments to get back to investing in nuclear power.

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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An EMP would likely take out the gas stations and most ice vehicles as well.

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100% effective on EV vehicles

0% effective on old Volkswagens and jeeps.

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LOL. And how many EMP proof ICE vehicles are on the road today? A fraction of one percent?

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Maybe someday we will go nuclear and solve our grid issues but I doubt it happens in my lifetime. Seems like the obvious answer for everybody.

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Definitely agree with this.

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All those newe migrants will probably get a grant from Biden to buy an EV and get a free FEMA house with a Tesla charger.

Feds will walk away and tell you to have power to the area by sundown or its racist. Fed will use this as way to take over grid in Texas.

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I'm honestly surprised it took this many pages for the word "migrant" to appear. But I'm not surprised who ended up throwing it out there.

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All those newe migrants will probably get a grant from Biden to buy an EV and get a free FEMA house with a Tesla charger.

Feds will walk away and tell you to have power to the area by sundown or its racist. Fed will use this as way to take over grid in Texas.

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I'm honestly surprised it took this many pages for the word "migrant" to appear. But I'm not surprised who ended up throwing it out there.

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You want to explain what you are implying?

Is it not a fact that Texas has born the brunt of the migrant inflow? Is it not a fact that these new folks are taxing resources beyond border patrol, hospitals, water, sewer, schools, and even the electric grid.

Thats why it was brought up. Not at all to your direct ad hom implication of racism or migrant discrimination.

I'm more concerned about negative population growth than I am about migrants taxing our electricity grid.

FWIW, nobody in this thread has tried to make the argument that ALL ICE will be replaced by electric vehicles. There are plenty of use-cases where ICE will be necessary for quite a while.

But, many of us do think the vast majority of consumer commuter vehicles will be electric in the not-too-distant future. Technology will improve, infrastructure will improve, costs will come down. All of these things seem more inevitable with each passing year.

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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An EMP would likely take out the gas stations and most ice vehicles as well.

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Wrong on the ICE vehicles. There was a report on that before the govt started forcing EVs on us. It's a myth.

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If it won't fry the control board of a modern ice vehicle then it won't harm an EV. The high voltage components in an EV would be able to better dissipate the pulse, while the low voltage components aren't much different than an ICE.

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True. I was merely responding to your statement. The entire EMP "worry" is overstated.

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EMP...no, but another X10 Carrington level event will do the same. https://www.spaceweatherlive.com/en/reports/noaa-swpc-alerts-watches-and-warnings.html

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All those newe migrants will probably get a grant from Biden to buy an EV and get a free FEMA house with a Tesla charger.

Feds will walk away and tell you to have power to the area by sundown or its racist. Fed will use this as way to take over grid in Texas.

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I'm honestly surprised it took this many pages for the word "migrant" to appear. But I'm not surprised who ended up throwing it out there.

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You want to explain what you are implying?

Is it not a fact that Texas has born the brunt of the migrant inflow? Is it not a fact that these new folks are taxing resources beyond border patrol, hospitals, water, sewer, schools, and even the electric grid.

Thats why it was brought up. Not at all to your direct ad hom implication of racism or migrant discrimination.

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I'm implying that migrants are irrelevant to a Tesla thread, but some people just can't help themselves.

Teslas suck because in the event of nuclear armageddon they will be disabled like every other modern vehicle.

That might be my favorite f16 anti-EV argument yet

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There's nothing more convenient than your vehicle being fully "fueled up" and ready to go every single morning.

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I could keep 3 five-gallon gas cans in my office for under $75 and achieve the same thing with the same effort.

Going to be awesome to have nothing but EVs if China or other thugs pop an EMP.

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Bruh, we aren't talking about emergency rations here. We're talking about infrastructure and convenience. There's nothing more convenient than charging every night at my house, and there's no ICE equivalent to that convenience.

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What about the millions that live in apartments? Or the millions that don't park in their garage?

I know that about 90% of the people on my street now park in their driveways. When I lived in Weatherford for 19 years, we parked in our driveway which was about 50 feet from our house.

Or the idiots who will forget to charge their EV every night? People forget to charge their phones all the time (my GF always has it at some stupid low level). They forget to get gas when they KNOW they need to.

Until the infrastructure is there to deal with these contingencies, EVs will have issues with the general public.

Most people are not like the EV operators here on TA. Assuming that everyone is responsible like you is incorrect. They aren't.

I don't have a problem with EVs as a concept. I'm and engineer and I love cool tech *****

I don't like government intervention pushing them and giving them subsidies, though. Or even worse...mandating them.

How does the government think people who buy $2000 cars from a Tote The Note place are going to be able to afford an EV where the cheapest Tesla is $45K?

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Lol, they all have their place.

Just don't want government subsidizing any of it... GM pensions or EV rebates.

Let the market develop the technology and consumers choose based on what best fits their needs and price point.

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Elon agrees with you and has been on record recommending to the government to eliminate subsidies for EV's in the trillion dollar infrastructure bill. Tesla really doesn't need them. But Brandon had to figure a way to funnel money to GM (government motors). Unfortunately that is back firing because even if enough people actually wanted to buy a GM EV, they haven't figured out a way to manufacture them profitably. And that has very little to do with battery prices. Meanwhile Elon called Biden's bluff when Biden dropped the tax rebate for EV's to only ones under 55k. Tesla dropped their prices around 5-10k to get most of their configurations under 55k and it about broke the website with demand. Margins at that price for Tesla is still over double the average for the OEM ICE car profitability. Competitors will get their lunch handed to them if they try to drop prices anymore. Tesla is playing chess while other auto makers are playing checkers.

Tesla is on pace to manufacture and sell 2 million EV's this year.

The automobile industry is being revolutionized right before our eyes and most can't see it.

It's like when Nokia, Motorola and Blackberries dominated cell phones. The people that were saying "I'll never use one of them damn "smart" phones, I need my buttons … and what happens if the screen stops working? Hell you have to replace the whole damn phone". It was the same nonsense back then. There were issues but they were overcome as the technology grew.

Tesla is the Apple in the early stages to the auto industry. The bigger question is who will be the Samsung like competitor 5-10 years down the road. I sincerely hope it's an American company but I wouldn't bet on it. Tesla and SpaceX success is extremely important when competing with the Chinese going forward. We should be celebrating these tremendous American companies not trying to break them down.

No one on this thread is suggesting that EV's are good choice for 100% of the population. For many, they are.

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No one on this thread is suggesting that EV's are good choice for 100% of the population. For many, they are.

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And that's fine.

But, in some places they're being mandated. So, those people won't get the choice of ICE.

That is a HUGE mistake.

Everyone that wants one should get the opportunity to buy one - without my tax dollars giving them a tax exemption/credit.

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fka ftc said:

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All those newe migrants will probably get a grant from Biden to buy an EV and get a free FEMA house with a Tesla charger.

Feds will walk away and tell you to have power to the area by sundown or its racist. Fed will use this as way to take over grid in Texas.

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I'm honestly surprised it took this many pages for the word "migrant" to appear. But I'm not surprised who ended up throwing it out there.

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You want to explain what you are implying?

Is it not a fact that Texas has born the brunt of the migrant inflow? Is it not a fact that these new folks are taxing resources beyond border patrol, hospitals, water, sewer, schools, and even the electric grid.

Thats why it was brought up. Not at all to your direct ad hom implication of racism or migrant discrimination.

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I'm implying that migrants are irrelevant to a Tesla thread, but some people just can't help themselves.

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So migrants don't use electricity, got it. What else are immigrants incapable of?

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No one on this thread is suggesting that EV's are good choice for 100% of the population. For many, they are.

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And that's fine.

But, in some places they're being mandated. So, those people won't get the choice of ICE.

That is a HUGE mistake.

Everyone that wants one should get the opportunity to buy one - without my tax dollars giving them a tax exemption/credit.

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That's not completely true. There's nuance here that you absolutists refuse to acknowledge.

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fka ftc said:

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All those newe migrants will probably get a grant from Biden to buy an EV and get a free FEMA house with a Tesla charger.

Feds will walk away and tell you to have power to the area by sundown or its racist. Fed will use this as way to take over grid in Texas.

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I'm honestly surprised it took this many pages for the word "migrant" to appear. But I'm not surprised who ended up throwing it out there.

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You want to explain what you are implying?

Is it not a fact that Texas has born the brunt of the migrant inflow? Is it not a fact that these new folks are taxing resources beyond border patrol, hospitals, water, sewer, schools, and even the electric grid.

Thats why it was brought up. Not at all to your direct ad hom implication of racism or migrant discrimination.

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I'm implying that migrants are irrelevant to a Tesla thread, but some people just can't help themselves.

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So migrants don't use electricity, got it. What else are immigrants incapable of?

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lol. This guy thinks the total electricity usage of all migrants is more than a rounding error for the overall usage for the US, and thinks it's relevant to this discussion.

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All those newe migrants will probably get a grant from Biden to buy an EV and get a free FEMA house with a Tesla charger.

Feds will walk away and tell you to have power to the area by sundown or its racist. Fed will use this as way to take over grid in Texas.

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I'm honestly surprised it took this many pages for the word "migrant" to appear. But I'm not surprised who ended up throwing it out there.

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You want to explain what you are implying?

Is it not a fact that Texas has born the brunt of the migrant inflow? Is it not a fact that these new folks are taxing resources beyond border patrol, hospitals, water, sewer, schools, and even the electric grid.

Thats why it was brought up. Not at all to your direct ad hom implication of racism or migrant discrimination.

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I'm implying that migrants are irrelevant to a Tesla thread, but some people just can't help themselves.

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So migrants don't use electricity, got it. What else are immigrants incapable of?

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lol. This guy thinks the total electricity usage of all migrants is more than a rounding error for the overall usage for the US, and thinks it's relevant to this discussion.

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The migrant thing was a response to an issue posted about the RGV, where they're more than a rounding error.

Musk laughing at the OP from the Super Bowl

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fka ftc said:

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All those newe migrants will probably get a grant from Biden to buy an EV and get a free FEMA house with a Tesla charger.

Feds will walk away and tell you to have power to the area by sundown or its racist. Fed will use this as way to take over grid in Texas.

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I'm honestly surprised it took this many pages for the word "migrant" to appear. But I'm not surprised who ended up throwing it out there.

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You want to explain what you are implying?

Is it not a fact that Texas has born the brunt of the migrant inflow? Is it not a fact that these new folks are taxing resources beyond border patrol, hospitals, water, sewer, schools, and even the electric grid.

Thats why it was brought up. Not at all to your direct ad hom implication of racism or migrant discrimination.

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I'm implying that migrants are irrelevant to a Tesla thread, but some people just can't help themselves.

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So migrants don't use electricity, got it. What else are immigrants incapable of?

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lol. This guy thinks the total electricity usage of all migrants is more than a rounding error for the overall usage for the US, and thinks it's relevant to this discussion.

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The migrant thing was a response to an issue posted about the RGV, where they're more than a rounding error.

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Are we moving the goalposts to edge cases? The RGV itself is also a rounding error. Zoom out.

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Musk laughing at the OP from the Super Bowl

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To be fair. We're all laughing at the OP.