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Murder or no?

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Funky Winkerbean
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No..he was threatened as soon as the guy jumped over the counter.
MouthBQ98
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As much as I utterly dispose property crimes like theft, did they have arms, make a threat of force, or initiate an attack on his person, or were they just trying a grab and run?

I'd agree if they came at him into reach and he was outnumbered he definitely had a right to defend a perceived threat. The question is if he can pursue to continue the defense?
black_ice
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Very nice kill. I approve. Legal.
Detmersdislocatedshoulder
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is the thread title murder or no? what a joke.

how about merchant defending property to death.


Rex Racer
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The perpetrator was white. Not murder.
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MouthBQ98 said:

As much as I utterly dispose property crimes like theft, did they have arms, make a threat of force, or initiate an attack on his person, or were they just trying a grab and run?
Well, at least 1 won't do that again.
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"I feared for my safety or safety of others"
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MouthBQ98 said:

As much as I utterly dispose property crimes like theft, did they have arms, make a threat of force, or initiate an attack on his person, or were they just trying a grab and run?

I'd agree if they came at him into reach and he was outnumbered he definitely had a right to defend a perceived threat. The question is if he can pursue to continue the defense?


The thief did have two arms. Hope that helps.
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Dude behind the counter looked like he knew wtf he was doing with that knife.
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I feel sorry for the clerk. I would imagine he didn't know the robbers and surely thought his life was in danger when the guy jumped over the counter.
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I'm just so sick of criminals killing, hurting, and stealing from innocent people -- and getting a pass from leftist politicians in charge -- that I no longer care about people fighting back with a disproportionate response.

It's going to get worse if the libs don't crack down on crime.
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I'm not stabbing some fool over $50 because a lawyer costs WAY more than that
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Borderline either way. Really going to depend on how the state's law is written. (Personally, I'm not losing any sleep over the guy being killed.)

Biggest question is if the perp displayed a weapon which I didn't see. Also, the perp did not advance on the clerk or even really pay attention to him. He looked to just be trying to grab the smokes.

I think the owner is probably going to be in trouble.
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MemphisAg1 said:

I'm just so sick of criminals killing, hurting, and stealing from innocent people -- and getting a pass from leftist politicians in charge -- that I no longer care about people fighting back with a disproportionate response.

It's going to get worse if the libs don't crack down on crime.

I'd probably cause the hung jury on this one. Hope more people are coming around to agree.
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Funky Winkerbean said:

No..he was threatened as soon as the guy jumped over the counter.

True, plus the fact the little white ****stick didn't die.

Not murder
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
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That was awesome
Gordon Bombay
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Defending his castle
Sea Speed
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That thief knew he was done for. If only his premonition came just 30 seconds sooner.
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No!
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MemphisAg1 said:

I'm just so sick of criminals killing, hurting, and stealing from innocent people -- and getting a pass from leftist politicians in charge -- that I no longer care about people fighting back with a disproportionate response.

It's going to get worse if the libs don't crack down on crime.

I feel the same way. Three years ago I would have seen this as a clear case of manslaughter, but with cops and DAs letting the criminals run wild I feel like you should be able to defend your business or personal property with deadly force.
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Couldn't care less about thieves lives
tysker
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Guy needs one those 'But did you die?' t shirts
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Criminal rights ………..

When you put a mask on and jump over a counter to steal - you knowingly put your life in danger.
Que Te Gusta Mas
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MouthBQ98 said:

As much as I utterly dispose property crimes like theft, did they have arms, make a threat of force, or initiate an attack on his person, or were they just trying a grab and run?

I'd agree if they came at him into reach and he was outnumbered he definitely had a right to defend a perceived threat. The question is if he can pursue to continue the defense?


I'd say: (1) a masked man (2) with back up (3) hopping over a barrier into your working space (4) with bad intentions; is a threat worth neutralizing.
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Good stabbing
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Rapier108 said:

Borderline either way. Really going to depend on how the state's law is written. (Personally, I'm not losing any sleep over the guy being killed.)

Biggest question is if the perp displayed a weapon which I didn't see. Also, the perp did not advance on the clerk or even really pay attention to him. He looked to just be trying to grab the smokes.

I think the owner is probably going to be in trouble.


Someone attacks and I have to wait around to see what kind of weapon if any they possess before I defend myself?

**** that!
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What's ****ty here is he'll be charged and it'll cost him the better part of a million bucks to put up a competent defense and be found not guilty.

Should be calling Branca right now.
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Funky Winkerbean said:

No..he was threatened as soon as the guy jumped over the counter.

Nope. Masked man went for the merch. He didn't even look at the store employee.
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MouthBQ98 said:

I'm not stabbing some fool over $50 because a lawyer costs WAY more than that


This is dumb. Idiots come to rob you store. Do you just wait until they pull a gun on you before you decide to defend yourself. Because of that point your life is their hands and you're now at the mercy of some piece of **** criminal.

Kid deserves a medal.
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I'd say this was a threatening interaction.

OnlyForNow
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He did after he got rushed, then stabbed in the next.


BOOOM!
GAC06
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Satellite of Love said:

Funky Winkerbean said:

No..he was threatened as soon as the guy jumped over the counter.

Nope. Masked man went for the merch. He didn't even look at the store employee.


Thieves deserve death. I would absolutely never side against this dude if I were on the jury.
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Not murder. Pretty sure Nevada allows you to defend your property. Plus, I don't think he killed the kid.
Tom Doniphon
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Murder? Hell no.

Self defense and 100% legal. As soon as he jumps that counter, he's made a move that is life threatening IMHO.
 
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