Comparing something to the holocaust just doesn't cut it anymore. Everyone knows the new strategy is to compare things to Pearl Harbor or 9/11.
what was anti-semitic?Salute The Marines said:Philip J Fry said:
Never apologize. Not sure why republicans do that.
I think apologizing for blatant antisemetism is warranted.
i thought it was borderline? Please clarifySalute The Marines said:Philip J Fry said:
Never apologize. Not sure why republicans do that.
I think apologizing for blatant antisemetism is warranted.
C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
Honest question:Salute The Marines said:C@LAg said:bull crap. and keep your libelous anti-Semitic comments to yourself.Salute The Marines said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
This is completely false and borders on antisemitism FYI.
a large part of any ethnicity for any group is shared cultural and self-identified components that distinguish them from other groups.
They are not always or even have to be innate, universal or inherent.
and that does apply to many people who consider themselves Jewish
False. Someone is a Jew through matrilineal birth. That's it. The end. You don't get to tell Jews how they determine who is who.
Salute The Marines said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
This is completely false and borders on antisemitism FYI.
Womackster said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
I'm as tired of the STM schtick as the next guy, but trying to argue that Jew is not an ethnicity is pretty baffling.
Point ceded.BigRobSA said:Womackster said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
I'm as tired of the STM schtick as the next guy, but trying to argue that Jew is not an ethnicity is pretty baffling.
I don't think anyone is arguing that. But, to pull out "my grandmother's grandmother was a Jew so I'm a Jew, too" as some form of supposed cudgel against pointing out obvious historical similarities is, at best, weak. At worst, IT is the affront to the aforementioned ethnicity. Very Warren-ish.
Christianity and Judeo / Christian values brought about the utopia we live in now. People forget that.Salute The Marines said:
I didn't brag, I simply referenced it since it related to my feelings on the topic. How many posts here regarding social conservatism start with "as a Christian…" or reference personal Christian beliefs when supporting certain policies? Are they bragging or simply supply a point of reference for the reader?
BigRobSA said:Womackster said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
I'm as tired of the STM schtick as the next guy, but trying to argue that Jew is not an ethnicity is pretty baffling.
I don't think anyone is arguing that. But, to pull out "my grandmother's grandmother was a Jew so I'm a Jew, too" as some form of supposed cudgel against pointing out obvious historical similarities is, at best, weak. At worst, IT is the affront to the aforementioned ethnicity. Very Warren-ish.
Very strange if true, considering he was perma-banned and later skirted that decision by taking over someone else's account.Spotted Ag said:
Oh great. Now if we point out STM's moronic posts and positions staff will get told that we are an anti-Semite. Bc, as we've been told, apparently STM and staff are on a first name basis based on all the conversations they've had that we've been told about.
nm.Salute The Marines said:BusterAg said:Honest question:Salute The Marines said:C@LAg said:bull crap. and keep your libelous anti-Semitic comments to yourself.Salute The Marines said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
This is completely false and borders on antisemitism FYI.
a large part of any ethnicity for any group is shared cultural and self-identified components that distinguish them from other groups.
They are not always or even have to be innate, universal or inherent.
and that does apply to many people who consider themselves Jewish
False. Someone is a Jew through matrilineal birth. That's it. The end. You don't get to tell Jews how they determine who is who.
Are you Jewish? Was your mom a Jew?
Great grandmother on mother's side was Jewish, both ethnically and religiously. She married my great grandfather who was catholic. They moved to the US. They had my grandmother. She had my mother. I am Jewish. My kids are not.
Spotted Ag said:
Oh great. Now if we point out STM's moronic posts and positions staff will get told that we are an anti-Semite. Bc, as we've been told, apparently STM and staff are on a first name basis based on all the conversations they've had that we've been told about.
Salute The Marines said:BigRobSA said:Womackster said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
I'm as tired of the STM schtick as the next guy, but trying to argue that Jew is not an ethnicity is pretty baffling.
I don't think anyone is arguing that. But, to pull out "my grandmother's grandmother was a Jew so I'm a Jew, too" as some form of supposed cudgel against pointing out obvious historical similarities is, at best, weak. At worst, IT is the affront to the aforementioned ethnicity. Very Warren-ish.
Except that's exactly how being a Jew is defined. Someone's great great great great great grandmother could be a Jew and as long as the matrilineal line is intact that person is a Jew while someone who goes to temple, practices every tradition, and their father is a jew but mother is not is not considered a Jew unless they convert. This was how it was explained to me by a rabbi.
Womackster said:Salute The Marines said:BigRobSA said:Womackster said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
I'm as tired of the STM schtick as the next guy, but trying to argue that Jew is not an ethnicity is pretty baffling.
I don't think anyone is arguing that. But, to pull out "my grandmother's grandmother was a Jew so I'm a Jew, too" as some form of supposed cudgel against pointing out obvious historical similarities is, at best, weak. At worst, IT is the affront to the aforementioned ethnicity. Very Warren-ish.
Except that's exactly how being a Jew is defined. Someone's great great great great great grandmother could be a Jew and as long as the matrilineal line is intact that person is a Jew while someone who goes to temple, practices every tradition, and their father is a jew but mother is not is not considered a Jew unless they convert. This was how it was explained to me by a rabbi.
Then almost everyone in the West is likely a Jew as it just takes someone at some time marrying a Jew girl.
I'm into genealogy and I've traced that Charlemagne is like my 40th-great-grandfather. So I must have royal claim to The Holy Roman Empire right? Not so fast. At 30 generations back I should have 2^40 or just over a TRILLION ancestors. But that's impossible you say? Exactly. So we have this phenomenon called pedigree collapse. Basically you share the same people in your lineage many times over. The further back you go, the greater chance the same person is in your lineage on multiple paths. In fact, Charlemagne is most likely my ancestor thousands of times over. And not just me. It's estimated that the entire West is descended from Charlemagne in some way.
In short, I guess we're all Jews, so quit trying to force vaccinate us anti-Semite!
Womackster said:Salute The Marines said:BigRobSA said:Womackster said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
I'm as tired of the STM schtick as the next guy, but trying to argue that Jew is not an ethnicity is pretty baffling.
I don't think anyone is arguing that. But, to pull out "my grandmother's grandmother was a Jew so I'm a Jew, too" as some form of supposed cudgel against pointing out obvious historical similarities is, at best, weak. At worst, IT is the affront to the aforementioned ethnicity. Very Warren-ish.
Except that's exactly how being a Jew is defined. Someone's great great great great great grandmother could be a Jew and as long as the matrilineal line is intact that person is a Jew while someone who goes to temple, practices every tradition, and their father is a jew but mother is not is not considered a Jew unless they convert. This was how it was explained to me by a rabbi.
Then almost everyone in the West is likely a Jew as it just takes someone at some time marrying a Jew girl.
I'm into genealogy and I've traced that Charlemagne is like my 40th-great-grandfather. So I must have royal claim to The Holy Roman Empire right? Not so fast. At 30 generations back I should have 2^40 or just over a TRILLION ancestors. But that's impossible you say? Exactly. So we have this phenomenon called pedigree collapse. Basically you share the same people in your lineage many times over. The further back you go, the greater chance the same person is in your lineage on multiple paths. In fact, Charlemagne is most likely my ancestor thousands of times over. And not just me. It's estimated that the entire West is descended from Charlemagne in some way.
In short, I guess we're all Jews, so quit trying to force vaccinate us anti-Semite!
Salute The Marines said:Womackster said:Salute The Marines said:BigRobSA said:Womackster said:C@LAg said:it is mostly a self-identifying ethnicity with some geographical component if you want to tr to make it fit, but cannot definitively prove for most.DrEvazanPhD said:
So what is an ethnic Jew?
I'm as tired of the STM schtick as the next guy, but trying to argue that Jew is not an ethnicity is pretty baffling.
I don't think anyone is arguing that. But, to pull out "my grandmother's grandmother was a Jew so I'm a Jew, too" as some form of supposed cudgel against pointing out obvious historical similarities is, at best, weak. At worst, IT is the affront to the aforementioned ethnicity. Very Warren-ish.
Except that's exactly how being a Jew is defined. Someone's great great great great great grandmother could be a Jew and as long as the matrilineal line is intact that person is a Jew while someone who goes to temple, practices every tradition, and their father is a jew but mother is not is not considered a Jew unless they convert. This was how it was explained to me by a rabbi.
Then almost everyone in the West is likely a Jew as it just takes someone at some time marrying a Jew girl.
I'm into genealogy and I've traced that Charlemagne is like my 40th-great-grandfather. So I must have royal claim to The Holy Roman Empire right? Not so fast. At 30 generations back I should have 2^40 or just over a TRILLION ancestors. But that's impossible you say? Exactly. So we have this phenomenon called pedigree collapse. Basically you share the same people in your lineage many times over. The further back you go, the greater chance the same person is in your lineage on multiple paths. In fact, Charlemagne is most likely my ancestor thousands of times over. And not just me. It's estimated that the entire West is descended from Charlemagne in some way.
In short, I guess we're all Jews, so quit trying to force vaccinate us anti-Semite!
Not exactly, maintaining the connection purely through the mother isn't easy. Remember, if at any time one of the daughters has only boys her Jewish line will end.
zoneag said:
I'll make a suggestion that everyone simply ignore STM. The back and forth with the insufferable troll is killing discussion on every thread. Now that his vaccine narrative is getting caved in he's resorted to some bizarre victimhood game based on distant heritage like a democrat senator from Massachusetts.
Please just ignore.
Salute The Marines said:
Calling someone's grandparent a liar squarely falls within the realm of personal attack. It has no place in respectful discussion.
Spotted Ag said:
Oh great. Now if we point out STM's moronic posts and positions staff will get told that we are an anti-Semite. Bc, as we've been told, apparently STM and staff are on a first name basis based on all the conversations they've had that we've been told about.
Salute The Marines said:
No, she didn't. But personal attack flagged anyway.