"Unskilled labor shortages" are mass strikes.

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In august, nearly 5mil essential work-.. I mean, unskilled laborers quit their jobs. There are strikes ongoing across the country at various factories, restaurants, and stores. Workers are refusing to work for the wages being offered.

Is this not just the economy working as intended? The workers have a capital, their labor. They are willing to sell their labor to an employer, of which there are many, for a specific range of money. A range of money they will not accept anything outside of. They are openly vocal about displeasure with regards to working conditions.

However, long gone are the days of yore in which you ran around downtown slinging your resume to anyone who made eye contact with you. Now, the workers hold the leverage. These businesses, these braggarts who loved to go back and forth within the media cycle about their brave workers, readily attempt to undercut and undermine those holding up our economy on their backs.

There is no unskilled labor. There is no labor shortage. There are entitled owners who think they deserve the time of the workers, that they are owed that time regardless of the compensation that they offer.

We are seeing a real-time shift and revolution in the jobs system. How will your business respond?
No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:24p, 10/18/21
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Not with the communism you crave, that's for damn sure
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3:25p, 10/18/21
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There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
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3:26p, 10/18/21
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Your second paragraph is flawed.

Think through it some more.
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In reply to Maroon Dawn • 3:26p, 10/18/21
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As of yet, not a single person has shown evidence of me claiming to be a socialist or a Communist, and that's not what the thread is about. Although I guess you could argue about the "means of production being turned over to the workers" angle of it, but even that isn't the topic of this thread.

The topic is the current battle between employers and workers.
No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.
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3:26p, 10/18/21
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Ah, If we would have just listened to Bernie.

(What you are seeing in America today is due to stupid policies from the Biden administration. Bernie would have made it even worse.)
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3:26p, 10/18/21
This thread will not go as the OP intended.

Perhaps he should stick to looking for that pangolin.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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3:27p, 10/18/21
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There is no shift. Other than the minimum wage requirement that produces a pricing aberration at the low end, wages have always been dictated by supply and demand. There is nothing different or unusual about this now other than the occasional disruption caused by non-wage concerns like covid vaccination requirements.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
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In reply to redcrayon • 3:27p, 10/18/21
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redcrayon said:
There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
No one should have to work to survive, as living is a basic human right.
No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.
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In reply to javajaws • 3:28p, 10/18/21
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javajaws said:
There is no shift. Other than the minimum wage requirement that produces a pricing aberration at the low end, wages have always been dictated by supply and demand. There is nothing different or unusual about this now other than the occasional disruption caused by non-wage concerns like covid vaccination requirements.
If wages have always been dictated by supply and demand, why has the federal minimum wage remained flat?
No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.
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3:28p, 10/18/21
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all fine and good....just don't complain about the cost of goods and how the fact that those jobs will never be "liveable" wage jobs, nor were they meant to be.
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In reply to Aggie95 • 3:28p, 10/18/21
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Aggie95 said:
all fine and good....just don't complain about the cost of goods and how the fact that those jobs will never be "liveable" wage jobs, nor were they meant to be.
What was the intention of the establishment of the federal minimum wage?
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3:28p, 10/18/21
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Again, if those workers were receiving no govt benefits, your point would be valid.

But they are. And it isn't.

Even Biden, when questioned about the payments and effect on employment quipped "that's (the govt payment) their bargaining chip. You want them to work, pay them more."
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3:29p, 10/18/21
Everything is cyclical
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:29p, 10/18/21
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WaltonAg18 said:
In august, nearly 5mil essential work-.. I mean, unskilled laborers quit their jobs. There are strikes ongoing across the country at various factories, restaurants, and stores. Workers are refusing to work for the wages being offered.

Is this not just the economy working as intended? The workers have a capital, their labor. They are willing to sell their labor to an employer, of which there is a massive surplus of, for a specific range of money. A range of money they not accept anything outside of, one in which they are openly vocal about displeasure.

However, long gone are the days of yore in which you ran around downtown slinging your resume to anyone who made eye contact with you. Now, the workers hold the leverage. These businesses, these braggarts who loved to go back and forth within the media cycle about their brave workers, readily attempt to undercut and undermine those holding up our economy on their backs.

There is no unskilled labor. There is no labor shortage. There are entitled owners who think they deserve the time of the workers, that they are owed that time regardless of the compensation that they offer.

We are seeing a real-time shift and revolution in the jobs system. How will your business respond?
What you ignore is the government interference in the markets allowing people to "strike". Extended and increased unemployment, increased food stamps, prebates on tax cuts...

I hope they are all replaced by kiosks and suffer consequences for their laziness and greed. Small business owners have come up on their wages, but it still isn't good enough. The previous $15/hr is easy to find now, but the goal-posts have shifted even further.
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!

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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:29p, 10/18/21
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WaltonAg18 said:
redcrayon said:
There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
No one should have to work to survive, as living is a basic human right.
dumbest statement on the internet today....just think about how profound that is.
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3:29p, 10/18/21
Free child care, massive child credits, food stamp increases, extended UE, relaxed welfare work requirements, etc...

They are predicting another 2 million will leave the work force and sit at home to be supported by the taxpayers once Joe makes the child credit permanent, which the Dems will do next year.

Enjoy your new country, OP.
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:29p, 10/18/21
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WaltonAg18 said:
As of yet, not a single person has shown evidence of me claiming to be a socialist or a Communist, and that's not what the thread is about. Although I guess you could argue about the "means of production being turned over to the workers" angle of it, but even that isn't the topic of this thread.

The topic is the current battle between employers and workers.
OK, listen kid. "Workers" hold leverage because the federal government is paying folks pretty damn good since COVID started. You take that away and people will go back to work for a fair wage. Right now they don't have to work. This isn't some magical "workers revolt". This is a result of failed federal policy by idiots that think that there is a money tree. They don't understand crap about how the real world works.
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WaltonAg18 said:
Aggie95 said:
all fine and good....just don't complain about the cost of goods and how the fact that those jobs will never be "liveable" wage jobs, nor were they meant to be.
What was the intention of the establishment of the federal minimum wage?

To induce votes. The minimum wage was NEVER, intended to be "liveable". And, like all such laws, actually causes job losses,
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In reply to jefe95 • 3:30p, 10/18/21
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jefe95 said:
Your second paragraph is flawed.

Think through it some more.
Tried to clean it up a bit, appreciate that.
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:30p, 10/18/21
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WaltonAg18 said:
javajaws said:
There is no shift. Other than the minimum wage requirement that produces a pricing aberration at the low end, wages have always been dictated by supply and demand. There is nothing different or unusual about this now other than the occasional disruption caused by non-wage concerns like covid vaccination requirements.
If wages have always been dictated by supply and demand, why has the federal minimum wage remained flat?
The minimum wage is an artificial price point set by the government. It does not follow the rules of supply and demand for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with a high school education.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:30p, 10/18/21
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redcrayon said:
There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
No one should have to work to survive, as living is a basic human right.


Are you going to support those that don't work to survive, comrade?
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WaltonAg18 said:
redcrayon said:
There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
No one should have to work to survive, as living is a basic human right.

Wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong. The OPPORTUNITY to live is a basic human right.

No one should be forced to pay for the survival of another human.
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:31p, 10/18/21
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WaltonAg18 said:
redcrayon said:
There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
No one should have to work to survive, as living is a basic human right.
Well, I think we've found proof of at least socialism if not straight-up communism.

Why should some lazy butt get transfer payments from working tax payers?
A & M, GIVE US ROOM!

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In reply to javajaws • 3:32p, 10/18/21
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javajaws said:
WaltonAg18 said:
javajaws said:
There is no shift. Other than the minimum wage requirement that produces a pricing aberration at the low end, wages have always been dictated by supply and demand. There is nothing different or unusual about this now other than the occasional disruption caused by non-wage concerns like covid vaccination requirements.
If wages have always been dictated by supply and demand, why has the federal minimum wage remained flat?
The minimum wage is an artificial price point set by the government. It does not follow the rules of supply and demand for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with a high school education.
You're so close to understanding. What was the original price point, and how did it relate to the overall economy?
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3:32p, 10/18/21
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Ahh the noble and admirable workers, sticking it to the man.

Fools with their government checks, too fat and happy with the comforts of capitalism to realize they're being played as pawns. They have no power, they've sold it away for a stimulus check and an EBT card.
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cecil77 said:
WaltonAg18 said:
redcrayon said:
There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
No one should have to work to survive, as living is a basic human right.

Wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong. The OPPORTUNITY to live is a basic human right.

No one should be forced to pay for the survival of another human.
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
No one should have to work to survive. Your right to life should not depend solely on your ability to produce capital.
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3:33p, 10/18/21
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Socialism has been increasingly killing this country for decades.
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:34p, 10/18/21
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WaltonAg18 said:
javajaws said:
WaltonAg18 said:
javajaws said:
There is no shift. Other than the minimum wage requirement that produces a pricing aberration at the low end, wages have always been dictated by supply and demand. There is nothing different or unusual about this now other than the occasional disruption caused by non-wage concerns like covid vaccination requirements.
If wages have always been dictated by supply and demand, why has the federal minimum wage remained flat?
The minimum wage is an artificial price point set by the government. It does not follow the rules of supply and demand for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with a high school education.
You're so close to understanding. What was the original price point, and how did it relate to the overall economy?
You're so far from understanding...it's not even funny. I'm out, you're a waste of time.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:35p, 10/18/21
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WaltonAg18 said:
cecil77 said:
WaltonAg18 said:
redcrayon said:
There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
No one should have to work to survive, as living is a basic human right.

Wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong. The OPPORTUNITY to live is a basic human right.

No one should be forced to pay for the survival of another human.
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
you pursue happiness through working and achieving life goals, otherwise it would say life, liberty, and happiness
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In reply to WaltonAg18 • 3:35p, 10/18/21
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. . …. …..

The topic is the current battle between employers and workers.

No, the battle is between government freebies to unemployed versus small business trying to stay afloat.

Higher wage minimums has destroyed business in several cities for example Seattle.

Not sure how you can be so wrong.
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WaltonAg18 said:
cecil77 said:
WaltonAg18 said:
redcrayon said:
There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
No one should have to work to survive, as living is a basic human right.

Wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong. The OPPORTUNITY to live is a basic human right.

No one should be forced to pay for the survival of another human.
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.


If another person has to labor to give you something, it's not a right.
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Kenneth_2003 said:
Ahh the noble and admirable workers, sticking it to the man.

Fools with their government checks, too fat and happy with the comforts of capitalism to realize they're being played as pawns. They have no power, they've sold it away for a stimulus check and an EBT card.
The beautiful comforts of capitalism, like mountains of medical debt, a system that ensures impoverished stay impoverished, and the glorification of working yourself to death. What a dream!
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3:37p, 10/18/21
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Interesting note, I believe Jefferson's original draft was "pursuit of property". He changed it but meant it to pretty much be the same thing.
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WaltonAg18 said:
redcrayon said:
There is a government printing money and sending it out to these people so they don't have to work to survive.

Why did you leave that part out?
No one should have to work to survive, as living is a basic human right.

No,
Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.
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