OSHA Emergency Temporary Standard about to drop

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FriscoKid said:

pagerman @ work said:

I do love the bridge jumping, but when it gets to SCOTUS it is unlikely that the OSHA order stands.

The question is not whether masks or vaccines work or don't work. The issue is whether OSHA has the authority to require medical procedures as some kind of safety issue that they have jurisdiction over. I think it likely is a 5-4 vote against, with Roberts siding with the lefties.

The WH knows this is DOA with SCOTUS.
It will be too late. Companies will have already forced it on employees and they will have gotten the shot or gotten fired. The obama administration did the same thing. They tied things up in court for years and lost in the end, but it was too late.
1. It is never too late for any branch of government to be slapped down and have their power checked.

2. I'm betting there will be a stay of the order while the lawsuits work their way through the system.

3. Companies may continue to mandate their employees get vaccinated, but they won't be able to claim that it is because of this order if it is stayed. I would also imagine the appeals get expedited given the short time horizon on this issue.
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PaulC_80 said:

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The political appointees want it released even though they know it might not hold up. It's not about that - it's about cover for large companies to mandate vaccines.
I find it amazing that our economy is teetering on the verge of collapse and our politicians are doing everything they possibly can to make the situation worse for the country and it's citizens.

Sadly almost half the country fully support this happening.
It's not amazing at all. It's SOP - never let a crisis go to waste, after all.

We are steadily on the march away from liberty and towards slavery. Problem is, most people are too stupid to see it.
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Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.
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3. Companies may continue to mandate their employees get vaccinated, but they won't be able to claim that it is because of this order if it is stayed. I would also imagine the appeals get expedited given the short time horizon on this issue.
This is probably the best case for us in Texas. If the federal "law" gets stayed and there is a TX law on the books prohibiting it then maybe we can avoid the mandate.
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New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
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Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.


HOW DARE YOU!! YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A SMALL, LESS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT IN WHICH YOU HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER!!!111
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Pookers said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.


HOW DARE YOU!! YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A SMALL, LESS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT IN WHICH YOU HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER!!!111



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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation….

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness… it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
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Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical
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New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical
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New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical


Got news for you. Millions of people are likely going to die when the USA empire collapses. I think most people's preference would be peaceful separation but that doesn't seem likely to occur. Better start getting ready because its probably happening sooner than later.
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New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical

I'd prefer a peaceful divorce, but the Marxists will never allow it. They'd kill anyone and everyone who tried to leave. And I have a really strong feeling you'd be in favor of the bloodshed.
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Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical

I'd prefer a peaceful divorce, but the Marxists will never allow it. They'd kill anyone and everyone who tried to leave. And I have a really strong feeling you'd be in favor of the bloodshed.
Jan 6th was a test run for them and you see the result.
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DC, California, Seattle, any of these place can go to hell and take the people with em. Would not shed a tear if Russia ended them.
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Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical

I'd prefer a peaceful divorce, but the Marxists will never allow it. They'd kill anyone and everyone who tried to leave. And I have a really strong feeling you'd be in favor of the bloodshed.
Absolutely not. It's a moot argument anyway, TEXIT isn't happening.
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New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical

I'd prefer a peaceful divorce, but the Marxists will never allow it. They'd kill anyone and everyone who tried to leave. And I have a really strong feeling you'd be in favor of the bloodshed.
Absolutely not. It's a moot argument anyway, TEXIT isn't happening.


Its going to happen at some point. The empire is dead, we are simply picking at the corpse.
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New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical

I'd prefer a peaceful divorce, but the Marxists will never allow it. They'd kill anyone and everyone who tried to leave. And I have a really strong feeling you'd be in favor of the bloodshed.
Absolutely not. It's a moot argument anyway, TEXIT isn't happening.
Lets put it to a vote, let the people have a say.
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New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.
Yes, yes I do
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The U.S. Labor Department advanced an emergency regulation for final White House review that will force many private-sector companies to require employee vaccinations or virus testing.

DOL's Occupational Safety and Health Administration sent the rule to the White House's regulatory office Tuesday, the agency announced. Although the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs can sometimes take months to conclude its analysis, President Joe Biden called for an expedited process, which could mean the office will give its OK in as little as a day.

OSHA would then be able to publish the emergency temporary standard, and it would take effect immediately. Historically, the agency has provided businesses with a short period before they'd be required to comply.
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Why is the wording being checked by the WH if they don't intend to also issue some type of EO on this and then bootstrap an EO for vaccinations for kids?
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aggiehawg said:

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The U.S. Labor Department advanced an emergency regulation for final White House review that will force many private-sector companies to require employee vaccinations or virus testing.

DOL's Occupational Safety and Health Administration sent the rule to the White House's regulatory office Tuesday, the agency announced. Although the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs can sometimes take months to conclude its analysis, President Joe Biden called for an expedited process, which could mean the office will give its OK in as little as a day.

OSHA would then be able to publish the emergency temporary standard, and it would take effect immediately. Historically, the agency has provided businesses with a short period before they'd be required to comply.
Link

Why is the wording being checked by the WH if they don't intend to also issue some type of EO on this and then bootstrap an EO for vaccinations for kids?
They are just shrinking down what normally takes around 30 months for OSHA rules to they can get it out the door quick with no public comments, which ironically will make it easier to fight in court.
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New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical

I'd prefer a peaceful divorce, but the Marxists will never allow it. They'd kill anyone and everyone who tried to leave. And I have a really strong feeling you'd be in favor of the bloodshed.
Absolutely not. It's a moot argument anyway, TEXIT isn't happening.


"The colonists will never leave the crown"
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Pookers said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical

I'd prefer a peaceful divorce, but the Marxists will never allow it. They'd kill anyone and everyone who tried to leave. And I have a really strong feeling you'd be in favor of the bloodshed.
Absolutely not. It's a moot argument anyway, TEXIT isn't happening.


Its going to happen at some point. The empire is dead, we are simply picking at the corpse.

You'll never see it. Nor will your children.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
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pagerman @ work said:

Pookers said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

New World Ag said:

Cassius said:

Maybe Russia will nuke DC.
Tell me you don't actually wish for that.

I wish for the dissolution of the Union and Federal government and an independent Texas. I would welcome it by any means whatsoever.
The deaths of millions of people plus a counterattack leading to a likely full scale nuclear exchange? Very logical

I'd prefer a peaceful divorce, but the Marxists will never allow it. They'd kill anyone and everyone who tried to leave. And I have a really strong feeling you'd be in favor of the bloodshed.
Absolutely not. It's a moot argument anyway, TEXIT isn't happening.


Its going to happen at some point. The empire is dead, we are simply picking at the corpse.

You'll never see it. Nor will your children.
We shall see. We are running on fumes.
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sleepybeagle said:

oldarmyjess66 said:

Supreme Court = Bunch of Cowards
The refuse to take up any cases that are controversial.
I believe they might be afraid. Afraid that the left will pack the court and of course they don't want their importance diminished by sharing the bench.
They should "invent" a rule that makes that illegal, the way Roberts invented redefining ACA after the fact, or even way back to the privacy decision in '73.
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Why does this admin have such a hardon abouts fake vaccs?
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BTKAG97 said:

Why does this admin have such a hardon abouts fake vaccs?
Thats the question to ask isn't it?
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pagerman @ work said:

Pookers said:

New World Ag said:



Absolutely not. It's a moot argument anyway, TEXIT isn't happening.


Its going to happen at some point. The empire is dead, we are simply picking at the corpse.

You'll never see it. Nor will your children.
His kids won't see it either? Are you including rebellion in that rather than Texit?

That's pretty brazen. For a government that has destroyed any sense of loyalty, it is not going to be good for the long run.

Will say the opposite --- if the Leftward trend of erasing what built the nation is not reversed, it may even happen before my time is over.

History shows that an empire begins to die, and fast, when its people no longer believe in it. Well the Left is seeking to even abolish belief in it, actively suppressing the positives. Even the Soviets didn't banish their nationalism entirely.
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titan said:

pagerman @ work said:

Pookers said:

New World Ag said:



Absolutely not. It's a moot argument anyway, TEXIT isn't happening.


Its going to happen at some point. The empire is dead, we are simply picking at the corpse.

You'll never see it. Nor will your children.
His kids won't see it either? Are you including rebellion in that rather than Texit?

That's pretty brazen. For a government that has destroyed any sense of loyalty, it is not going to be good for the long run.

Will say the opposite --- if the Leftward trend of erasing what built the nation is not reversed, it may even happen before my time is over.

History shows that an empire begins to die, and fast, when its people no longer believe in it. Well the Left is seeking to even abolish belief in it, actively suppressing the positives. Even the Soviets didn't banish their nationalism entirely.

I think his statement is quite bold. Our nation is way worse off then most people believe it to be.
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Fully agree. People have no idea how fragile any national cohesion is. And how short people's memories. And how quick the transition to serving whoever will take care of immediate needs follows next.
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titan said:


Fully agree. People have no idea how fragile any national cohesion is. And how short people's memories. And how quick the transition to serving whoever will take care of immediate needs follows next.
In addition, we are ruled by people who don't believe in nations or borders who are intentionally trying to destroy this place. I think its likely they will succeed in ruining the USA as it currently is; the question to ask is will they succeed in enslaving us with the rebuild or will we remove them from our land and restore the republic in some form?
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Pookers said:

titan said:


Fully agree. People have no idea how fragile any national cohesion is. And how short people's memories. And how quick the transition to serving whoever will take care of immediate needs follows next.
In addition, we are ruled by people who don't believe in nations or borders who are intentionally trying to destroy this place. I think its likely they will succeed in ruining the USA as it currently is; the question to ask is will they succeed in enslaving us with the rebuild or will we remove them from our land and restore the republic in some form?
Stipulating for a moment your belief that they "will succeed in ruining the USA as it currently is"

Given their arrogance and tendency to not have been opposed (that is why couldn't handle Trump calmly and wait him out) in their arrogance what I think will happen is if the do ruin it, enough will want to see them go down as well that another claimant or claimants vying for power in turn will actually take the place. Maybe more than one. Factions will arise, somewhat like Clovis in Gaul, and in more than one instance. International players will play off against each other rather than unite, because that is not what works best for them and they know it. That's what rivals do. Former enemies may become friends, friends may become enemies. It will be an unraveling mess. Most of all because the ideologies on each side are more than enough to drive the ferment to not go along. What too few realize is where only local and tribal loyalties hold up, there won't be anything preventing the centrifugal force involved. Especially when allowing lawlessness and crime--- people will side with an anti-elite willing to get rid of that if it comes to it.
 
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