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CDC data shows that 74% of people who tested positive for the virus in Massachusetts outbreak were fully vaccinated

A federal investigation into a COVID-19 outbreak earlier this month in a part of Massachusetts that is home to Cape Cod and Provincetown found that 74% of the 469 infections were among vaccinated people, a finding that raises questions about the prevalence of breakthrough infections.

The research, published Friday afternoon by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is the latest indicator that people who are fully vaccinated may need to return to mask wearing, social distancing, and other mitigation measures as the more infectious delta variant tears through the U.S.

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Rapier108 said:

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This is the incident they're using to push masks and lock downs.

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BigRobSA said:

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Sounds like the only true "immunity" is from actually having the weakass virus infect you.

The vaccines seem to have issues, big and small, whereas natural immunity conveys a stronger immunity as would be expected.

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Earlier this week, the CDC director, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, also said that new data had revealed that people who are vaccinated and test positive for the virus can carry the same viral load as people who are unvaccinated and test positive for the virus. This research found that cycle threshold (Ct) values in samples from 127 fully vaccinated people and 84 unvaccinated people were similar.

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samurai_texan said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Sounds like the only true "immunity" is from actually having the weakass virus infect you.

The vaccines seem to have issues, big and small, whereas natural immunity conveys a stronger immunity as would be expected.

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This is completely false.

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Wrong, UK and Israel show the vaccines are worse against Delta, and this:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762


Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

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Mondemonium said:

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Earlier this week, the CDC director, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, also said that new data had revealed that people who are vaccinated and test positive for the virus can carry the same viral load as people who are unvaccinated and test positive for the virus. This research found that cycle threshold (Ct) values in samples from 127 fully vaccinated people and 84 unvaccinated people were similar.

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Crap. This isn't going away, is it?

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beerad12man said:

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469 infections. 7 hospitalizations, 0 deaths.

So again, among the vaccinated, it's a common cold or flu. Give 469 people the flu and you'd get basically the same hospital numbers. Maybe even a death or 2. Yet, this is what they used. Or at least, are saying they used.

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BigRobSA said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Sounds like the only true "immunity" is from actually having the weakass virus infect you.

The vaccines seem to have issues, big and small, whereas natural immunity conveys a stronger immunity as would be expected.

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This is completely false.

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no, it's not.

The immunity from the vaccines are cubic zirconia to natural immunity's diamonds.

We keep hearing about vaxxed populations getting infected, when the original claims were it was 95% protective. Now, the mantra is it's not truly protective, but will diminish infection symptoms (for the few that actually have them). That right there is suspect...especially without vast populations of the naturally immune getting reinfected.

I'd imagine vaxxed previously infecteds are like ****ing Wolverine for this weak *****

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beerad12man said:

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Mondemonium said:

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Earlier this week, the CDC director, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, also said that new data had revealed that people who are vaccinated and test positive for the virus can carry the same viral load as people who are unvaccinated and test positive for the virus. This research found that cycle threshold (Ct) values in samples from 127 fully vaccinated people and 84 unvaccinated people were similar.

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Crap. This isn't going away, is it?

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I stil think so, but not holding my breath. I think this is it's last hurrah. One more wave. Take credit for last minute resctrions/recommendation to get numbers down, declare victory, etc.

There will be more seasonal/endemic waves, but none this big.

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beerad12man said:

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This is an argument FOR the vaccines for critical thinkers. Get 469 people covid, and based on all data it would be 2.8 deaths(0.6% is the CDCs best current guess), and 14+ hospitalizations(Roughly 3% guess). Instead, it's 0 and 7.

Okay, this might not seem like a big reduction. Now lets extrapolate this data over 469,000 people. 0 deaths versus 2814,, and 7,000 hospitalizations versus 14,070. Yes, I know this is a bit simplistic thinking, as it's a small sample size, but it's a starting point.

You know, it's okay You can admit covid is fairly weak for most. You can be tough, trust your immune system, hate masks, lockdowns, think this was all overblown, and yet still admit vaccines are helping.

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beerad12man said:

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469 infections. 7 hospitalizations, 0 deaths.

So again, among the vaccinated, it's a common cold or flu. Give 469 people the flu and you'd get basically the same hospital numbers. Maybe even a death or 2. Yet, this is what they used. Or at least, are saying they used.

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Available data suggests the Delta variant is much less virulent & does not appear to wreak havoc, even in the absence of a vaccine. If it were the terror it is portrayed to be, we'd see much different outcomes than we are.

— Don Wolt (@tlowdon) July 30, 2021

FriscoKid said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Sounds like the only true "immunity" is from actually having the weakass virus infect you.

The vaccines seem to have issues, big and small, whereas natural immunity conveys a stronger immunity as would be expected.

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This is completely false.

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no, it's not.

The immunity from the vaccines are cubic zirconia to natural immunity's diamonds.

We keep hearing about vaxxed populations getting infected, when the original claims were it was 95% protective. Now, the mantra is it's not truly protective, but will diminish infection symptoms (for the few that actually have them). That right there is suspect...especially without vast populations of the naturally immune getting reinfected.

I'd imagine vaxxed previously infecteds are like ****ing Wolverine for this weak *****

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It's false because you don't seem to know the difference between covid and infection with the virus. Or that the efficacy studies were based on preventing covid, not infection.

I agree that prior immunity means you don't need the vaccine. And it may very well be stronger than the vaccine. But to claim the vaccine doesn't work against covid when you confuse it with infection is just pure ignorance.

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I don't get your point that you have continued to try and make over the past week on this subject.

People that got the vaccine have gotten sick and can spread it to others. Stop acting like the vaccine is some kind of savior. Maybe it lessens the symptoms. I hope it does, but this is not how it was sold.

And yes, this is moving the goalposts. It moved from immunity to "not as sick".

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FriscoKid said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Sounds like the only true "immunity" is from actually having the weakass virus infect you.

The vaccines seem to have issues, big and small, whereas natural immunity conveys a stronger immunity as would be expected.

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This is completely false.

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no, it's not.

The immunity from the vaccines are cubic zirconia to natural immunity's diamonds.

We keep hearing about vaxxed populations getting infected, when the original claims were it was 95% protective. Now, the mantra is it's not truly protective, but will diminish infection symptoms (for the few that actually have them). That right there is suspect...especially without vast populations of the naturally immune getting reinfected.

I'd imagine vaxxed previously infecteds are like ****ing Wolverine for this weak *****

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It's false because you don't seem to know the difference between covid and infection with the virus. Or that the efficacy studies were based on preventing covid, not infection.

I agree that prior immunity means you don't need the vaccine. And it may very well be stronger than the vaccine. But to claim the vaccine doesn't work against covid when you confuse it with infection is just pure ignorance.

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I don't get your point that you have continued to try and make over the past week on this subject.

People that got the vaccine have gotten sick and can spread it to others. Stop acting like the vaccine is some kind of savior. Maybe it lessens the symptoms. I hope it does, but this is not how it was sold.

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FriscoKid said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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FriscoKid said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Sounds like the only true "immunity" is from actually having the weakass virus infect you.

The vaccines seem to have issues, big and small, whereas natural immunity conveys a stronger immunity as would be expected.

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This is completely false.

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no, it's not.

The immunity from the vaccines are cubic zirconia to natural immunity's diamonds.

We keep hearing about vaxxed populations getting infected, when the original claims were it was 95% protective. Now, the mantra is it's not truly protective, but will diminish infection symptoms (for the few that actually have them). That right there is suspect...especially without vast populations of the naturally immune getting reinfected.

I'd imagine vaxxed previously infecteds are like ****ing Wolverine for this weak *****

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It's false because you don't seem to know the difference between covid and infection with the virus. Or that the efficacy studies were based on preventing covid, not infection.

I agree that prior immunity means you don't need the vaccine. And it may very well be stronger than the vaccine. But to claim the vaccine doesn't work against covid when you confuse it with infection is just pure ignorance.

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I don't get your point that you have continued to try and make over the past week on this subject.

People that got the vaccine have gotten sick and can spread it to others. Stop acting like the vaccine is some kind of savior. Maybe it lessens the symptoms. I hope it does, but this is not how it was sold.

And yes, this is moving the goalposts. It moved from immunity to "not as sick".

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Except if you actually read the efficacy studies thats exactly how it was sold

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beerad12man said:

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469 infections. 7 hospitalizations, 0 deaths.

So again, among the vaccinated, it's a common cold or flu. Give 469 people the flu and you'd get basically the same hospital numbers. Maybe even a death or 2. Yet, this is what they used. Or at least, are saying they used.

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mportantly, the initial COVID-19 vaccines will prevent symptoms in those who become infected with the coronavirus rather than kill the virus itself, Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during the Yahoo Finance All Markets Summit on Monday.

"The primary thing you want to do is that if people get infected, prevent them from getting sick, and if you prevent them from getting sick, you will ultimately prevent them from getting seriously ill," he said.

Preventing symptoms is a "primary endpoint" in the vaccine development process, Fauci said. Getting rid of the virus altogether is considered a "secondary endpoint."

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