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Again, there is no man made climate change.

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It's amazing how many people don't understand this.

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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No, it hasn't.

and i love how the official temperatures are now in the middle of "heat islands". DFW airport is about 5 degrees warmer in the early morning than at my house.

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If I'm off base here, please tell me why.

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You are correct.

I love telling the global warming freaks to immediately:
1. Sell your car and burn your driver's license. Never use a destructive car again.
2. Stop travelling on an airplane. Walk everywhere.
3. No more plastic. That means sell your iPhone.
4. No more delivery. Too much carbon. Walk to get your supplies.

So strange.
All that passion and no takers.

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One way your argument could hold water is that concrete is replacing soil that could retain moisture which would help to keep the ground temps lower.

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Not shockingly, cutting down trees and paving over every piece of pasture land within 30-50 miles of a city center will have an effect on the recorded temperatures throughout the country.......

The world isn't really getting that much hotter, thermometers are getting more accurate/precise and we are taking temps from spots that used to be nothing but grass and trees which are now concrete/glass/steel.


If you really want to dig into climate change, start with the sun, moon and the orbit of the earth. It shouldn't be a surprise that the big yellow glowing ball in the sky has a very large impact on what happens on earth.

As of 2 hours ago the Bootleg fire in Oregon had burned 413,545 acres and is currently 53% contained. That single fire is roughly 65% of the size of the state of Rhode Island and is only one of 30 major fires burning in the West. Each one of these fires put more carbon into the atmosphere than the cars in the US.

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Champ Bailey said:

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Critics say the number one reason the earth is warming is due to heat trapped in the air due to carbon emissions, right? But wouldn't the continuing urbanization of cities be a bigger reason? What causes a bigger delta T? Heat being trapped in the air, or heat being trapped in more and more concrete, and brick and glass buildings?

If I'm off base here, please tell me why.

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Water vapor is the worst offender as a greenhouse gas. But, there isn't a "Big Water" to siphon money from like "Big Oil".

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A warmer climate means warmer air. Warmer air can hold more water. More water absorbs more heat, inducing even greater warming and perpetuating a positive feedback loop.

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And more water in the atmosphere means more clouds which reflect radiant heat back out - a negative feedback loop.

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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No, it hasn't.

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Ask CanyonAg77. He was a young man, then.

All environmentalists should volunteer to be ground into fertilizer to help grow more plant life. Less humans more green, two birds one stone

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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Some people have speculated we had vasts more CO2 in the atmosphere to support the huge amounts of vegetation that would have been necessary to feed massive herbivores that went extinct 65M years ago... A mass extinction event that happened WAY before Big Oil was a thing... and before Gov could Tax people.

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I think that would almost surely have to be the case.

About 10,000 years ago, we entered a brief (something like 1,000 years) period known as the Younger Dryas when the ice dam in Canada broke and dumped great amounts of cold, fresh water into the North Atlantic.. In just a few years, worldwide temperatures fell by something like 10 F. That's a large swing in weather right there.

In any event, I remain solidly in favor of Global Warming. The danger is Global Cooling, not Global Warming. If we can warm the planet by releasing more CO2, then let's do it.

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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No, it hasn't.

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Do you have any concept of the change the Earth has gone through during the last billion years?

You can be certain that the weather of today is much different than it was before the start of this ice age.

Here is reconstructed temperature records for the last half a billion years. Look at the swings. Do you really think that we would see that large of swings without the weather changing?

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BigRobSA said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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Critics say the number one reason the earth is warming is due to heat trapped in the air due to carbon emissions, right? But wouldn't the continuing urbanization of cities be a bigger reason? What causes a bigger delta T? Heat being trapped in the air, or heat being trapped in more and more concrete, and brick and glass buildings?

If I'm off base here, please tell me why.

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Water vapor is the worst offender as a greenhouse gas. But, there isn't a "Big Water" to siphon money from like "Big Oil".

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A warmer climate means warmer air. Warmer air can hold more water. More water absorbs more heat, inducing even greater warming and perpetuating a positive feedback loop.

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Water vapor also creates more clouds that reflect more solar radiation back into space. More water vapor leads to more precipitation which has a counter cooling effect at the surface.

So you are wrong. High dew points result in higher nighttime lows and cooler daytime highs. Now temp/humidity indexes still suck regarding human comfort.

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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No, it hasn't.

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Do you have any concept of the change the Earth has gone through during the last billion years?

You can be certain that the weather of today is much different than it was before the start of this ice age.

Here is reconstructed temperature records for the last half a billion years. Look at the swings. Do you really think that we would see that large of swings without the weather changing?

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To bad all those weather stations were destroyed by all those volcanic eruptions in the Siberian Traps 200 million years ago back in the Permian Era. Really thru off the data collected at the time.

They have little top no idea what Earths climate was. Ice cores are only so good. That crap people buy as facts.

We have hundreds of years of temperature date in places where people were to record those temperatures. Those rural agrarian locations are now urban hellscapes. I would think the heat island effect would be easy to correct for if one were interested in doing so.

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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No, it hasn't.

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Ask CanyonAg77. He was a young man, then.

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It's true. He was known as the dinosaur whisperer.

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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No, it hasn't.

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Do you have any concept of the change the Earth has gone through during the last billion years?

You can be certain that the weather of today is much different than it was before the start of this ice age.

Here is reconstructed temperature records for the last half a billion years. Look at the swings. Do you really think that we would see that large of swings without the weather changing?

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To bad all those weather stations were destroyed by all those volcanic eruptions in the Siberian Traps 200 million years ago back in the Permian Era. Really thru off the data collected at the time.

They have little top no idea what Earths climate was. Ice cores are only so good. That crap people buy as facts.

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Of course the globe has gone through changes, so as the galaxy, but the insinuation that it's something to do with climate control, man-made crap, global warming as a detriment to our survival is just a load of bunk.

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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Some people have speculated we had vasts more CO2 in the atmosphere to support the huge amounts of vegetation that would have been necessary to feed massive herbivores that went extinct 65M years ago... A mass extinction event that happened WAY before Big Oil was a thing... and before Gov could Tax people.

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The total carbon content of the planet hasn't changed much in 4 billion years. The only thing that's changed is where it is and what it's attached to. 65 million years ago a lot of the carbon was tied up not just in CO2, but in dinosaurs and the large plants they ate. The higher CO2 levels were probably a result of most of the planet's carbon being at the surface and utilized in biological processes. With the giant asteroid 65 million years ago, those huge carbon cycles got disrupted and a lot of that carbon was sequestered as hydrocarbons. Really all we're doing is returning to the status quo.

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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No, it hasn't.

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Do you have any concept of the change the Earth has gone through during the last billion years?

You can be certain that the weather of today is much different than it was before the start of this ice age.

Here is reconstructed temperature records for the last half a billion years. Look at the swings. Do you really think that we would see that large of swings without the weather changing?

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To bad all those weather stations were destroyed by all those volcanic eruptions in the Siberian Traps 200 million years ago back in the Permian Era. Really thru off the data collected at the time.

They have little top no idea what Earths climate was. Ice cores are only so good. That crap people buy as facts.

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It's not exact by any means, but it should be reasonable accurate.

Also, ice cores only go back so far. When not in ice age, any ice that forms will tend to melt fairly quickly.

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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eric76 said:

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annie88 said:

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The earth isn't warming to any significant level that would do anything to anyone.

Climate control is some of the biggest bull*****

It's called weather, it's been around since the beginning of time and has barely fluctuated in billions of years.

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While it hasn't fluctuated all that much in the last 100 years, it has certainly fluctuated a whole lot in the last billion years.

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No, it hasn't.

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Do you have any concept of the change the Earth has gone through during the last billion years?

You can be certain that the weather of today is much different than it was before the start of this ice age.

Here is reconstructed temperature records for the last half a billion years. Look at the swings. Do you really think that we would see that large of swings without the weather changing?

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To bad all those weather stations were destroyed by all those volcanic eruptions in the Siberian Traps 200 million years ago back in the Permian Era. Really thru off the data collected at the time.

They have little top no idea what Earths climate was. Ice cores are only so good. That crap people buy as facts.

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Of course the globe has gone through changes, so as the galaxy, but the insinuation that it's something to do with climate control, man-made crap, global warming as a detriment to our survival is just a load of bunk.

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Of course. That doesn't mean that the climate and weather doesn't change.

Nobody is going to convince me that the alluvial floodplain I live on was built by 22 inches of rain per year.

I'm old enough to remember when global cooling was going to kill everyone.

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I'm old enough to remember when global cooling was going to kill everyone.

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Oh please, global cooling is so 70s

DavysApprentice said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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Critics say the number one reason the earth is warming is due to heat trapped in the air due to carbon emissions, right? But wouldn't the continuing urbanization of cities be a bigger reason? What causes a bigger delta T? Heat being trapped in the air, or heat being trapped in more and more concrete, and brick and glass buildings?

If I'm off base here, please tell me why.

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Substances do not trap heat or contain heat. All substances have internal energy which is directly related to temperature. Add heat (a form of energy) to a substance and it's internal energy will increase which will raise its temperature. Certain substances take more heat for their temperature to rise. It takes a large amount of heat to raise the temp of water and a relatively small amount of heat to raise the temp of metal. A lot of people call this heat capacity but that term confuses people when thinking about what is actually going on.

One way your argument could hold water is that concrete is replacing soil that could retain moisture which would help to keep the ground temps lower.

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Things also absorb specific wavelengths and get hot. CO2 and H2O are "greenhouse gases" because they absorb and get heated by the sun's output wavelengths more easily than other molecular species in the atmosphere.

While the above is true, it is still disputed if the atmosphere content influences surface temperatures that much, as the suns energy would hit earth with our without an atmosphere.

Greenhouse gases are necessary for our existence on Earth.

Eliminate them and we would be quite unlikely to survive as the average temperatures would plunge into the single digits (F) and maybe even negative.

I'm just here to see if jmiller has picked his teeth up off the curb yet.


Guess not.

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If I'm off base here, please tell me why.

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You are correct.

I love telling the global warming freaks to immediately:
1. Sell your car and burn your driver's license. Never use a destructive car again.
2. Stop travelling on an airplane. Walk everywhere.
3. No more plastic. That means sell your iPhone.
4. No more delivery. Too much carbon. Walk to get your supplies.

So strange.
All that passion and no takers.

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But what difference can one little person make? We need government to force everyone to sacrifice all those things!

GW freaks are hypocrites without morals, so they think it's ok.

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I'm just here to see if jmiller has picked his teeth up off the curb yet.


Guess not.

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Still a hard nope lol.

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Nobody will just say it

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