Two counter points:

• When you went mattered this year. Colorado had a below average winter up to the middle of March when they made up the entire deficit in a matter of two days. This year a disproportionate amount of their snowfall came in the back half of March and April.
• Steamboat is in an isolated section of the range and has it's own micro climate. Steamboat, is honestly a weird location with weird snow from a hydrology and forecasting perspective.

Here is a good news article about Colorado's snow season:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/ok-we-think-it-e2-80-99s-safe-to-talk-about-this-season-e2-80-99s-colorado-snow-totals-now/ar-AAKJxU5

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Here is a good news article about Colorado's snow season:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/ok-we-think-it-e2-80-99s-safe-to-talk-about-this-season-e2-80-99s-colorado-snow-totals-now/ar-AAKJxU5

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That's specifically Denver and surrounding Front Range areas down to CS and up to Fort Collins, etc. all east of the divide.

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Sully Dog said:

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Here is a good news article about Colorado's snow season:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/ok-we-think-it-e2-80-99s-safe-to-talk-about-this-season-e2-80-99s-colorado-snow-totals-now/ar-AAKJxU5

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That's specifically Denver and surrounding Front Range areas down to CS and up to Fort Collins, etc. all east of the divide.

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Mead has been steadily dropping for decades. Low snofall in the catchment basin combined with more and more water being drawn out (mostly for Vegas) and you get a lake that is well over 100' lower than design. Hell, a new intake was just installed in the last 5 or so years at the lowest level ever in Mead to ensure water supply to Vegas. Last I heard they were looking at maybe a 50 year supply before Mead cannot sustain it anymore.

Phoenix and Tucson don't get water from Mead, at least not directly. The CAP pumping station is downstream of Hoover dam several miles south of Lake Havasu near the Parker Dam.

There are too many people living in the desert, plain and simple. Hell, the Colorado River doesn't even make it all the way to the Sea of Cortez anymore, and hasn't for a long, long time. Between the various reservoirs, the millions of people that draw from the river and the massive amount of irrigation required for farming, the river dries up south of Yuma in Mexico.

Regarding desalination, the salts are industrially useful and contain some amounts of valuable light metals as well.

Yeah, vegas wastes vast volumes of water in the middle of a desert, and other desert basin communities probably aren't much better.

Can't golf on sand...

Get ready for higher beef prices as well, because in addition to inflation created by the latest round of theft-er, stimulus spending, western farmers and ranchers are liquidating their cattle herds:

"During the past 20 years, the amount of territory in the West considered to be suffering from exceptional drought has never gone higher than 11 percent until now. Today, that number is sitting at 27 percent. The term "mega-drought" is being thrown around a lot these days to describe what is happening, but this isn't just a drought. This is a true national emergency, and it is really starting to affect our food supply."

" Of course there are many farmers in California that have already been informed that they will not be getting any water allocated to them at all here in 2021. It is being projected that farmers in the state will not grow anything on 500,000 acres this year, and that is really bad news because California grows more than a third of our vegetables and two-thirds of our fruits and nuts

Along with wildfire risks, short water supply is putting immense pressure on the state's agricultural industry, which grows over a third of the country's vegetables and supplies two-thirds of the fruits and nuts in the US. Already farmers are culling crops and fallowing fields in anticipation of water shortages."

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/ranchers-sell-off-cattle-farmers-idle-hundreds-of-thousands-of-acres-as-americas-drought-emergency-escalates/

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Get ready for higher beef prices as well, because in addition to inflation created by the latest round of theft-er, stimulus spending, western farmers and ranchers are liquidating their cattle herds:

"During the past 20 years, the amount of territory in the West considered to be suffering from exceptional drought has never gone higher than 11 percent until now. Today, that number is sitting at 27 percent. The term "mega-drought" is being thrown around a lot these days to describe what is happening, but this isn't just a drought. This is a true national emergency, and it is really starting to affect our food supply."

" Of course there are many farmers in California that have already been informed that they will not be getting any water allocated to them at all here in 2021. It is being projected that farmers in the state will not grow anything on 500,000 acres this year, and that is really bad news because California grows more than a third of our vegetables and two-thirds of our fruits and nuts

Along with wildfire risks, short water supply is putting immense pressure on the state's agricultural industry, which grows over a third of the country's vegetables and supplies two-thirds of the fruits and nuts in the US. Already farmers are culling crops and fallowing fields in anticipation of water shortages."

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/ranchers-sell-off-cattle-farmers-idle-hundreds-of-thousands-of-acres-as-americas-drought-emergency-escalates/

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If there was a shortage in crops grown, wouldn't we just keep more of it at home instead of sending so much overseas? I'd think it would hurt the third world more than us.

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UTExan said:

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Get ready for higher beef prices as well, because in addition to inflation created by the latest round of theft-er, stimulus spending, western farmers and ranchers are liquidating their cattle herds:

"During the past 20 years, the amount of territory in the West considered to be suffering from exceptional drought has never gone higher than 11 percent until now. Today, that number is sitting at 27 percent. The term "mega-drought" is being thrown around a lot these days to describe what is happening, but this isn't just a drought. This is a true national emergency, and it is really starting to affect our food supply."

" Of course there are many farmers in California that have already been informed that they will not be getting any water allocated to them at all here in 2021. It is being projected that farmers in the state will not grow anything on 500,000 acres this year, and that is really bad news because California grows more than a third of our vegetables and two-thirds of our fruits and nuts

Along with wildfire risks, short water supply is putting immense pressure on the state's agricultural industry, which grows over a third of the country's vegetables and supplies two-thirds of the fruits and nuts in the US. Already farmers are culling crops and fallowing fields in anticipation of water shortages."

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/ranchers-sell-off-cattle-farmers-idle-hundreds-of-thousands-of-acres-as-americas-drought-emergency-escalates/

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If there was a shortage in crops grown, wouldn't we just keep more of it at home instead of sending so much overseas? I'd think it would hurt the third world more than us.

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I don't think you know how socialism works. Our government likes to give stuff away and cares more about trade deals and appeasing 3rd world countries than about meat prices in the US.

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Too bad we can't give them some of the rain here in Texas. I'm getting tired of it.

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We should build a pipeline from Freeport to West Texas for all the excess run off. Make it the most irrigated farmland in the country.

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Funny thing about this

My great grandpa was part of a movement to cut into the Mississippi River, and possibly the Arkansas River, and direct that flow to the portions of the southern Panhandle and West Texas. This was back in the 50s. That movement was basically seen as crazy and not feasible.

Sure wish it would have gone through.

Yes, I understand which way the water flows, but it was the most recent news article.

Here is a CPR report about the states snowpack which states that the state was 93% of average. If you notice the date, it's before April which was a well above average.

https://www.cpr.org/2021/04/02/colorados-snowpack-was-almost-normal-this-winter-but-it-may-not-be-enough-water-for-the-year/

Interestingly enough, the article comments that low water flows this year may be attributable to last year's drought.

The official state report wont be out for a few more months.

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While the area always needs rain, the water level in Lake Meade has been dropping for decades. The alarmist want to blame climate change, but bottom line is the lake is going down because they are using more water than will ever be recharged short of a multi-decade monsoon. Las Vegas has grown substantially since Lake Meade was filled back in the 1930's and 40's. It's a green oasis in the desert filled over 650,000 people full of four and five thousand room hotels, swimming pools, fountains, and casinos. The water consumption from that alone is far more than was ever envisioned when the dam was built, not to mention the growth in Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, which also use water from Lake Meade.

It is as much or likely more of an overconsumption problem than a supply problem. Just another opportunity for the environmental zealots to blame this on a climate crisis and rile up the useful idiots on the left.

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I have been to Vegas once in my life. We watched the fountains at Bellagio. It was neat, but I couldn't stop thinking about how much water evaporates from that damn thing.

And about how many other places there are like that around Vegas.

I don't know about cutting off the Mississippi. I have to think that would have sever environmental consequences but if you were able to run an 10' pipe from Freeport to Reeves County on existing pipeline easements I think it would be a huge economic boom with minimal environment impact.

Could you imagine west Texas with an AU/acre less than 10?

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I don't know about cutting off the Mississippi. I have to think that would have sever

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I think you got the point of it.

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Sully Dog said:

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I don't know about cutting off the Mississippi. I have to think that would have sever

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I think you got the point of it.

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HAHAHA!

UTExan said:

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Get ready for higher beef prices as well, because in addition to inflation created by the latest round of theft-er, stimulus spending, western farmers and ranchers are liquidating their cattle herds:

"During the past 20 years, the amount of territory in the West considered to be suffering from exceptional drought has never gone higher than 11 percent until now. Today, that number is sitting at 27 percent. The term "mega-drought" is being thrown around a lot these days to describe what is happening, but this isn't just a drought. This is a true national emergency, and it is really starting to affect our food supply."

" Of course there are many farmers in California that have already been informed that they will not be getting any water allocated to them at all here in 2021. It is being projected that farmers in the state will not grow anything on 500,000 acres this year, and that is really bad news because California grows more than a third of our vegetables and two-thirds of our fruits and nuts

Along with wildfire risks, short water supply is putting immense pressure on the state's agricultural industry, which grows over a third of the country's vegetables and supplies two-thirds of the fruits and nuts in the US. Already farmers are culling crops and fallowing fields in anticipation of water shortages."

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/ranchers-sell-off-cattle-farmers-idle-hundreds-of-thousands-of-acres-as-americas-drought-emergency-escalates/

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Get ready? You mean higher than they have already risen? I ordered filets from my usual place and they are 50% more expensive than last year. I checked wholesale prices for tenderloin and nationally it's up from $11.75 a year ago to $18 now.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

The water table in Arizona is also crashing. This was alarming to read:

Megafarms and deeper wells are draining the water beneath rural Arizona quietly, irreversibly

Looks about the same level as in the 91 Tommy & Pamela vid.

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What's up with the El Paso area run-off in that chart??

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Closed basins, I think. Just east of there are (mostly) dry salt lakes/flats.

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I had to drive clear across eastern Oregon where you find lots of of those inland salt lakes. It's a surreal experience. Shallow pools with water birds standing-up miles from the shore. Occasionally you'll pass a ghostly one-stop sign town along the lake edge. It's like a half-terraformed planet.

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The water table in Arizona is also crashing. This was alarming to read:

Megafarms and deeper wells are draining the water beneath rural Arizona quietly, irreversibly

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That's jacked up

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Too bad we can't give them some of the rain here in Texas. I'm getting tired of it.

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We should build a pipeline from Freeport to West Texas for all the excess run off. Make it the most irrigated farmland in the country.

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We'd just sell it to the oil companies to frac

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You ain't seen nothin' yet.

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Don't like hearing that. Hopefully it won't cost me an arm and a leg for briskets next week. If it's going to keep going up, I have no problem smoking extra and freezing it for later consumption (never for guests).

Probably more of F 12 post but fun dystopian sci fi book about water shortages in the area.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Water_Knife

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Here is a good news article about Colorado's snow season:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/ok-we-think-it-e2-80-99s-safe-to-talk-about-this-season-e2-80-99s-colorado-snow-totals-now/ar-AAKJxU5

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I have no point other than the fact that headlines that sound like something from a teenager's diary are stupid.

Cool map of all the rivers in US. Can click to see trace of upstream and downstream

https://txpub.usgs.gov/DSS/streamer/web/

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As it sits now, you might be able to do it on the Texas coast and pipe fresh water to Southern California for better margins than crude.

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The problem with desal is what do you do with the salt afterwards? In the quantifies you are talking about it's highly toxic. Saudi Arabia just dumps it back into the Gulf and it's causing huge dead zones in the water.

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Sell it to bougie sea salt eaters

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Is it climate change or there are too many people living in a desert?

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Too many people in the desert irrigating lawns, golf courses, and casino water features.

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FIFY