Why wouldn't this work? (biological warfare)

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1. China develops an airborne coronavirus. Unlike COVID19, it isn't 99.995% survivable. Say instead it has an IFR of 25%. Call it covid25.

2. China develops a vaccine for covid25 and quietly starts immunizing its population and the populations of select allies.

3. China releases covid25, in a deniable fashion. Maybe it intentionally releases it in an American city that has its own biological research lab. So, when infections begin, they can be blamed on the US.

4. As nations begin to descend into chaos, China steps into the power void. It assumes hegemonic control globally.

5. Millions upon millions die, but China announces it has developed a vaccine and offers it to the world as a savior.

Why wouldn't this work? And why wouldn't COVID19 be the dry run for the plan - a less deadly virus - just to see how the world would cope?
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China doesn't need to do that with our idiot leftists doing what they need to be done to diminish American growth.
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They don't need to do anything so drastic - they're already winning the long game by barely doing anything at all.
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Because China's economy is dependent on those of western capitalist nations, particularly ours. In this scenario they descend into chaos just like everyone else, only with more mouths to feed.
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Much cleaner to pay Democrats to bring about the downfall of America and assume the vacuum.
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It may be too earlier to say we are not in this scenario already.

Just add that China released a less lethal variant before (now) to gauge the response of nations in vaccine production...
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So I'm a dumbass when it comes to viruses but here's what I've gleaned from people much smarter than I......


A virus can be easily transmitted, or it can be difficult to transmit. If it's easy to transmit then the trade off is its usually not highly lethal. If it's difficult to transmit, it can be more lethal.

The faster it kills you, the less likely your are to transmit it. The longer it kills you, the more likely you are to pass it on. The trade off is, the longer it takes to kill you, the more time doctors have to find a cure.

So you seem to be talking about a super bug. Highly infectious with a high mortality rate. I don't know that viruses work that way--- but as I said, I'm not a doctor.
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javajaws said:

They don't need to do anything so drastic - they're already winning the long game by barely doing anything at all.


China is a house of cards, their economy is built almost entirely on debt driven speculative output and the export markets of the west. It is essentially the state economic version of a ponzi scheme.
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I don't think it was a coincidence they chose to get tough on Hong Kong or further terrorize the Uyghors when the rest of the world was focused on the Wuhan Flu and the political **** show in the U.S.

Did they release it on purpose? - unlikely. Did it develop in a wet market? - I'm skeptical. Was it developed in a lab with poor QC protocol and released accidentally? - more likely.

However it developed they clamped down, cleaned up the mess, and then started a multi-pronged approach to spin the news and continue to implement their strategy for domination.
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Totally plausible so I'm not sure why some are discounting it. The intelligence and strategic security services all list stuff like this in their threat scenarios. Biological and cyber warfare are the next fronts in war and everyone knows this.

The only question is when we are going to have an event like covid25not if.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Because China's economy is dependent on those of western capitalist nations, particularly ours. In this scenario they descend into chaos just like everyone else, only with more mouths to feed.
I don't disagree.

However the Communists play the long game.

Cash flow is one part of their objective. Power and total control is their ultimate goal.

If they can kneecap the west and come out ahead, they will try it. They know they will take losses. Maybe even a large amount... they don't care as long as their loss is less than ours.



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Fightin TX Aggie said:

1. China develops an airborne coronavirus. Unlike COVID19, it isn't 99.995% survivable. Say instead it has an IFR of 25%. Call it covid25.

2. China develops a vaccine for covid25 and quietly starts immunizing its population and the populations of select allies.

3. China releases covid25, in a deniable fashion. Maybe it intentionally releases it in an American city that has its own biological research lab. So, when infections begin, they can be blamed on the US.

4. As nations begin to descend into chaos, China steps into the power void. It assumes hegemonic control globally.

5. Millions upon millions die, but China announces it has developed a vaccine and offers it to the world as a savior.

Why wouldn't this work? And why wouldn't COVID19 be the dry run for the plan - a less deadly virus - just to see how the world would cope?
Scary part? What if already having covid 19 or the vacc for it makes you particularly susceptible for what's next?


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What makes you think it's unlikely they released it on purpose?
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Mutual Assured Destruction.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

javajaws said:

They don't need to do anything so drastic - they're already winning the long game by barely doing anything at all.


China is a house of cards, their economy is built almost entirely on debt driven speculative output and the export markets of the west. It is essentially the state economic version of a ponzi scheme.


$28 trillion in debt laughs at your argument
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Because China's economy is dependent on those of western capitalist nations, particularly ours. In this scenario they descend into chaos just like everyone else, only with more mouths to feed.


Did you factor in the fact that China killed approximately 30-40 million of their own people through starvation and murder to "encourage" compliance with their evil ideology in the Great Leap forward. And they are repeating with outright genocide today with the Uighurs?

It foolish to believe the ccp will behave in terms that westerners would understand.
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Sounds like a great sci-fi novel...
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geoag58 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Because China's economy is dependent on those of western capitalist nations, particularly ours. In this scenario they descend into chaos just like everyone else, only with more mouths to feed.


Did you factor in the fact that China killed approximately 30-40 million of their own people through starvation and murder to "encourage" compliance with their evil ideology in the Great Leap forward. And they are repeating with outright genocide today with the Uighurs?

It foolish to believe the ccp will behave in terms that westerners would understand.


It doesn't really matter how many people they kill, their economy is still and would still be an illusion.
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geoag58 said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

Because China's economy is dependent on those of western capitalist nations, particularly ours. In this scenario they descend into chaos just like everyone else, only with more mouths to feed.


Did you factor in the fact that China killed approximately 30-40 million of their own people through starvation and murder to "encourage" compliance with their evil ideology in the Great Leap forward. And they are repeating with outright genocide today with the Uighurs?

It foolish to believe the ccp will behave in terms that westerners would understand.
It's also not outlandish to think Covids primary directive was to help purge their own elderly while designed to save the younger population. People keep forgetting they were under a National food ration program before Covid hit. Their pork population was annihilated and they had massive impacts to farming from historic flooding.

And they wouldn't give two sh^ts if it got out and negatively impacted the world as a secondary benefit because that only helps accelerate their master plan.
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tamc91 said:

I don't think it was a coincidence they chose to get tough on Hong Kong or further terrorize the Uyghors when the rest of the world was focused on the Wuhan Flu and the political **** show in the U.S.

Did they release it on purpose? - unlikely. Did it develop in a wet market? - I'm skeptical. Was it developed in a lab with poor QC protocol and released accidentally? - more likely.

However it developed they clamped down, cleaned up the mess, and then started a multi-pronged approach to spin the news and continue to implement their strategy for domination.
Hold on. Its important then, to realize that they did and were doing BOTH of those before a hint of Covid. So at least they are not something covid was created to create cover for.

There is some indication China actually regrets that markets have not re-opened faster. The continued craze is less their doing, and more the global socialist crowd especially in editorial rooms.
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Also, because conspiracies of that size inevitably fail because they always leak if there's more than a handful of co-conspirators. This would take thousands. Intentionally unleashing a virus that would kill tens of millions of Americans is an act of war. China does not want a war with the US. The US does not want a war with China. Even if we didn't use nukes, the conventional retaliation for killing tens of millions of Americans would be devastating. Even if China is highly tolerant of loss of life the damage to its military and civilian infrastructure would takes decades to repair. So, no.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

javajaws said:

They don't need to do anything so drastic - they're already winning the long game by barely doing anything at all.


China is a house of cards, their economy is built almost entirely on debt driven speculative output and the export markets of the west. It is essentially the state economic version of a ponzi scheme.
You assume China actually gives a **** about its people and won't put them in misery for a greater goal.
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Troutslime said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

javajaws said:

They don't need to do anything so drastic - they're already winning the long game by barely doing anything at all.


China is a house of cards, their economy is built almost entirely on debt driven speculative output and the export markets of the west. It is essentially the state economic version of a ponzi scheme.
You assume China actually gives a **** about its people and won't put them in misery for a greater goal.
Remember on the dam on the Yangtze River thread it was discussed how in 1938 Chiang Kai Shek blew levees and dykes to stop a Japanese army, sacrificing thousands of villages.
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Because in your scenario the evidence would be undeniable that China developed the virus and released it.

the world would descend upon China and kick its ass.

their current scenario gives them the best of all worlds.

1) They culled their own elderly population to remove that burden from. their communist dependency list.
2) They crippled western economies, creating a scenario where they can fill the void.
3) Caused death abroad on a scale that the world has rarely seen.
4) Helped fascist governments move toward fascist systems and curtail individual freedoms so that the world can move toward one government rule which favors the Chinese unitary elites who are in bed with western elites.


China gets what it wants without risking war.
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Lots of good answers here.

Would China be stupid to do it? Yeah, I think so. But I don't know that we can ever count on our rivals to always be smart.

I try to imagine a Red Dawn scenario where China used a pandemic to launch an all out military strike and occupy the US. But you know what makes that so unlikely? The second amendment.

Why would any nation ever want to try to occupy a country that is armed to the teeth? Wolverines would abound!
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The question people should be asking is why our own government and press is on such a far more malevolent path?

There is no extra evidence or changed circumstance to believe China suddenly wants a war no less dangerous now than a few years ago. In fact, time is on their side. It would make more sense for them to wait for the left malignancy to knock out the fighting power of the military.

China may have wanted Trump out of office (this is assumed) -- but now that that has happened, that they now want war seems very doubtful.

Again the questions should center closer to home.
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I would be worried about a genetically engineered virus that targets a specific group of people.

But it ain't gonna happen. A virus is an unpredictable beast. An engineered virus is just as apt to kill its maker as it would be to kill its target.

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titan said:

Troutslime said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

javajaws said:

They don't need to do anything so drastic - they're already winning the long game by barely doing anything at all.


China is a house of cards, their economy is built almost entirely on debt driven speculative output and the export markets of the west. It is essentially the state economic version of a ponzi scheme.
You assume China actually gives a **** about its people and won't put them in misery for a greater goal.
Remember on the dam on the Yangtze River thread it was discussed how in 1938 Chiang Kai Shek blew levees and dykes to stop a Japanese army, sacrificing thousands of villages.
Yea, I was just discussing that with my fishing buddies.
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No need. The way the left is going, the Chinese are going to have their cake and it is too.
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I built a house for a guy who developed a plan to make sure severed heads with Ebola don't get mailed to the us,
That said there is a plan for op scenario and the corona virus but the question of if they are followed is key
For any world wide virus the first thing you do is close the borders, which we never did,
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Well another thing is you set policy that you will use nuclear weapons at once on any using bio-warfare. President Bush (43) actually did that October 2002. Presumably it is still in effect, as it should be.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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lol have you seen their vaccine for covid 19? They finally got approval because it is so helpless

The chinese cant innovate on there own. They still feom us. any vaccine for your covid 25 would have to be stolen from us to be effective to the rate needed for your plan
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doubledog said:

I would be worried about a genetically engineered virus that targets a specific group of people.

But it ain't gonna happen. A virus is an unpredictable beast. An engineered virus is just as apt to kill its maker as it would be to kill its target.


Kind of like Covid 19 targeting old people?
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That has alot more credence than an attack-- that it was a Chinese attempt to clear out some of their own.
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