Born&Raised said:

---

combat wombat said:

---

Quote:

---

but instead committed a crime against the Constitution by instigating a mob to storm the senate chamber and participate in the deaths of five people that would've otherwise been alive.

---

Keep on drinking that Kool-aid.

---

Sorry friend, your drinking the kool-aid because your leader tells you too. Let me know how it turns out.

---

Another sock. Geez

Tear Down This Wall said:

---

Born&Raised said:

---

dsharp90 said:

---

I never post on here but I've had enough of this.

Trump very well may be a pure ******* and not be what he represents as a person. But you know what he didn't want to do? Raise my taxes, astronomically raise capital gains taxes to suspend basically all investment domestically, raise taxes on businesses that will move jobs internationally, destroy the Supreme Court and Senate rules that have been in place over 100 years, and very openly admit that he wants to change (and in some cases criminalize) every aspect of my life as a God fearing white, male, gun owning, truck driving, oil and gas employee by government intervention. And that I should be ashamed of who I am.

But hey, no more mean tweets...

---

Ya know your right... he didn't overturn over 100 of Senate tradition but instead committed a crime against the Constitution by instigating a mob to storm the senate chamber and participate in the deaths of five people that would've otherwise been alive.

So ya... check mate ... you got me - not 100 years but 240 years. He is, was and will always be a meme... nothing more. He makes the stupid feel strong and empowers dictatorships around the world.

Talk about selling out America how about shaking hands with a murderous psychopath a dictator and getting nothing for it ... twice!

O and giving Putin a blowjob on live TV while wiping his ass with the lives of CIA operatives that fought against people of his ilk for over 60 years. And then when the 'deep state' sees him for what he is - a virus in the blood stream of our Republic - and you have people try to purge that virus - you act all shocked.

The 'real state' was trying to protect The freedoms our ancestors have fought for for centuries.

He is not a patriot but a wanna be authoritarian.

---

Good Lord, I can imagine being this ****ing delusional.

Do you ever wonder why you don't make very much money? Stop wondering. Your posts out your intelligence level.

---

dude was born & raised marxist and he's been lapping up all the Jake Tapper, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo he could handle for too long. No wonder he hates America.

Pylon Cam said:

---

aggieforester05 said:

---

Quit parroting the lies of deranged liberal lunatics. If you're going to make an argument, make one based on factual evidence and not a simple regurgitation of propaganda that has no basis in reality. It gives you the appearance of a low information voter.

---

There isn't a single legitimate fact which proves that the election was "rigged" or "stolen", and yet y'all constantly parrot that conspiracy theory.

So y'all are in no place to lecture me on facts or propaganda. I'm out. Have a nice day.

---

Because you don't want to see facts and willfully ignore them doesn't mean they aren't there.

I can ignore Newton's laws all I want, and claim gravity doesn't exist, doesn't make it true.

Those that voted DEM are not in touch with reality.

Common sense rational judgement was sacrificed on the alter of irrational hate for orange man.

We are now paying the fiddler.

No facts or evidence of fraud?

Trump won Florida, Ohio and Iowa, fact and evidence

Vote counting was shut down in the middle of the night in swing states. Fact and evidence

Biden votes were dumped in the middle of the night. Fact and evidence

Dead people voted, people voted twice, out of state people voted, underage people voted, illegal aliens voted. Fact and evidence

Antrium county Michigan machines were manipulated. Fact and evidence

First spending bill after the election paid off the crooked states. Fact and evidence

First house bill HR1 codifies crooked elections in the future on a federal level, fact and evidence

Joe Biden is corrupt. Fact and evidence

Biden and Obama used the fbi to illegally spy on Trump four years ago. Fact and evidence

Born&Raised said:

---

COVID is not fake news... there's just one for ya

---

To add to the previous post.
My question had nothing to do with fake news.

You claim that our thoughts are being manipulated by the former president, and that we need to look outside our box. Then help us by letting us know the better ideas your side has to offer.

Just be prepared to defend these ideas when others ask questions and make comments.

If your ideas are indeed better and can stand up to scrutiny, perhaps you might be able to "convert" some of us.

Pitts Up!

Born&Raised said:

---

Dude ... I'm not expecting you to agree with me. That's the thing - I know you don't but there are others on this board (F16) that do.

I get it - you will only agree with the things you already agree with. Not willing to step out of that box and think beyond what others you already agree with, tell you.

---

I rarely post on this board but seeing this written by a liberal is hilarious.

What a massively idiotic thread. How much tinfoil did you use?

NATE AG03 said:

---

What a massively idiotic thread. How much tinfoil did you use?

---

I am still waiting for the better ideas from the left so that a constructive conversation can begin.

Yet those on the left just respond with stupid things like "tin foil hat".

It doesn't look like your side has any "better ideas" that are defendable. Just one liners to give the impression that your opponents cannot think logically.

Swing and miss.

Pylon Cam said:

---

Earl_Rudder said:

---

Born&Raised said:

---

Tea Party said:

---

Great post OP. Hopefully the sheep watch and really think about what all happened this past year. There is a lot to learn from if this time last year they did not see what the plan was

---

It is really funny how a group of people who follow one man, nearly religiously, accuse others of being sheep.

THAT TERM is used to make others feel strong. You take people who have a good head on their shoulders and have better ideas and just label them "sheep" to puff yourself up without having to actually provide any ideas or proof that your ideas work.

Sheep.... get a new line. The threads are dying

---

And again, this is where the libs lose it.

First off, we didn't follow him. We supported him.

Secondly, we didn't support him because of his personality. We supported him because of his love for America and the values that this country has.

The exact opposite of libs and Obama, who fell for a charlatan snake oil salesman that hates America.

---

Oh please - You think Trump of all people represents American values?

His behavior goes against American values in pretty much every way possible. He's anti-immigrant, he's a draft dodger, he cheated on his wife with a pornstar, he disrespects our military, and he routinely violated laws/our constitution while in office.

Trump said it himself - he loves conservatives because they're easy to trick. Trump is evil and manipulative, and I hope y'all realize that before it's too late.

---

Dont really care about Trump in 2021 he is not in the picture. Now tell me about Biden. Look at the damage that drooling idiot has done in only 3 months. In three years he will turn the US into a shell of what it once was at this rate.

NATE AG03 said:

---

What a massively idiotic thread. How much tinfoil did you use?

---

What a massively idiotic post given the damage President dementia has cause is such a short time. Inflated money supply, supply chain disruptions due to demorat lockdowns, inflationary pressure, FP disasters, and his idiotic war on critical industries.

Quote:

---

I am still waiting for the better ideas from the left so that a constructive conversation can begin.

---

Better ideas about what exactly? The thread was started about stealing the election. Do you want me to opine on that stupid idea?

NATE AG03 said:

---

Quote:

---

I am still waiting for the better ideas from the left so that a constructive conversation can begin.

---

Better ideas about what exactly? The thread was started about stealing the election. Do you want me to opine on that stupid idea?

---

one of your fellow marxists said this as one of the first authoritarian leftist responses to this thread..

Quote:

---

You take people who have a good head on their shoulders and have better ideas and just label them "sheep" to puff yourself up without having to actually provide any ideas or proof that your ideas work.

---

boasting about your head & shoulders and your ideas... would like to hear them.

How are wide open borders good for Americans? We know they're good for the cartels, human traffickers, terrorists, and extremely poor Guatemalans, but what's in it for Americans?

How is destroying energy independence so we can return to depending on foreign sources such as Saudi Arabia for oil or Russia for gas, good for Americans? We know it's good for other countries. We know it costs a lot of jobs for Americans domestically and hurts American's gas bills and fuel receipts, but what is in it for us?

How is raising taxes good for Americans? They'll have less to spend in the economy, foreign business will have less incentive to ever invest in assets here costing Americans job opportunities, US companies may invert or move assets out of the country costing jobs.. .the federal government gets more to spend on their terrible ideas that will be poorly managed, but please, divulge your ideas on how great this is.

How are multi-trillion dollar spending bills for the federal government and the ensuing hyperinflation good for Americans? The $15/hr federal minimum wage is going to feel like a pay decrease.

I'm sure you'll receive a very well thought out response full of lots of factual data rather than an emotional response filled with nothing...

NATE AG03 said:

---

Quote:

---

I am still waiting for the better ideas from the left so that a constructive conversation can begin.

---

Better ideas about what exactly? The thread was started about stealing the election. Do you want me to opine on that stupid idea?

---

Do the left have any positive ideas that might be discussed? Or is it only deflection.

Oh no pointed out from where my question originated. Born&Raised mentioned better ideas from the left. I just asked what are these better ideas. Yet neither Born&Raised nor you have given any better ideas from the left that we could discuss. You have only provided deflection.

Are you afraid to actually discuss differing beliefs because your beliefs cannot stand up to scrutiny? That seems to be common for Marxism. Since Marxism doesn't hold up to scrutiny, in Marxist states differing ideas must be censored, suppressed, and eventually eliminated. This is why Marxism is historically the most violent and murderous method of government in history (see Stalin and Mao, for examples).

If I am wrong convince me otherwise using rational arguments, not emotional deflection.

The left has no good ideas. The only things they are good at are cheating, lying, propagandizing, rioting, vote buying, pilfering, stoking racial flames, and spending other people's money. Charming bunch.

I'd welcome good ideas to challenge conservative values if they had any. They simply don't. They use lies and emotional appeals to cover for their lack of good ideas.

It's what happens when you build an entire ideology around lies and a lack of ethics/morals. Their only ideas are perversions of the historically disastrous Marxist ideology.

Other than legalization of MJ, their policy positions are all garbage. They even get the nuts and bolts of MJ legalization completely wrong. It's truly impressive and would be commendable to be so fantastically bad at creating policy if the outcome weren't so tragic for our country.

We all watched this happen before our very eyes

Pylon Cam said:

---

Earl_Rudder said:

---

Born&Raised said:

---

Tea Party said:

---

Great post OP. Hopefully the sheep watch and really think about what all happened this past year. There is a lot to learn from if this time last year they did not see what the plan was

---

It is really funny how a group of people who follow one man, nearly religiously, accuse others of being sheep.

THAT TERM is used to make others feel strong. You take people who have a good head on their shoulders and have better ideas and just label them "sheep" to puff yourself up without having to actually provide any ideas or proof that your ideas work.

Sheep.... get a new line. The threads are dying

---

And again, this is where the libs lose it.

First off, we didn't follow him. We supported him.

Secondly, we didn't support him because of his personality. We supported him because of his love for America and the values that this country has.

The exact opposite of libs and Obama, who fell for a charlatan snake oil salesman that hates America.

---

Oh please - You think Trump of all people represents American values?

His behavior goes against American values in pretty much every way possible. He's anti-immigrant, he's a draft dodger, he cheated on his wife with a pornstar, he disrespects our military, and he routinely violated laws/our constitution while in office.

Trump said it himself - he loves conservatives because they're easy to trick. Trump is evil and manipulative, and I hope y'all realize that before it's too late.

---

Right, he tricked our sorry butts into record low unemployment, a booming economy, less international conflict, and a secure border. Damn Im a fool!

aggieforester05 said:

---

The left has no good ideas. The only things they are good at are cheating, lying, propagandizing, rioting, vote buying, pilfering, stoking racial flames, and spending other people's money. Charming bunch.

I'd welcome good ideas to challenge conservative values if they had any. They simply don't. They use lies and emotional appeals to cover for their lack of good ideas.

It's what happens when you build an entire ideology around lies and a lack of ethics/morals. Their only ideas are perversions of the historically disastrous Marxist ideology.

Other than legalization of MJ, their policy positions are all garbage. They even get the nuts and bolts of MJ legalization completely wrong. It's truly impressive and would be commendable to be so fantastically bad at creating policy if the outcome weren't so tragic for our country.

---

I tried. I was hoping that someone from the left would have the integrity and dedication to their beliefs to express them and defend them. Granted this board might be considered a hostile environment to leftist ideas, but if the ideas are sound and defensible someone who holds them should be able to discuss and defend them. I would imagine that many here would appreciate a civil discussion of differing ideologies. Such a discussion might help both sides to look "outside their own box" and remove their "tin foil hats".

It's been five hours since my first inquiry to Born&Raised "better ideas". Apparently, his better ideas are so great that they don't need to be discussed and critiqued. And as NATE points out, if you disagree with these unknown ideas, you must be wearing a tin foil hat.

NATE AG03 said:

---

What a massively idiotic thread. How much tinfoil did you use?

---

agg75 said:

---

No facts or evidence of fraud?

Trump won Florida, Ohio and Iowa, fact and evidence

Vote counting was shut down in the middle of the night in swing states. Fact and evidence

Biden votes were dumped in the middle of the night. Fact and evidence

Dead people voted, people voted twice, out of state people voted, underage people voted, illegal aliens voted. Fact and evidence

Antrium county Michigan machines were manipulated. Fact and evidence

First spending bill after the election paid off the crooked states. Fact and evidence

First house bill HR1 codifies crooked elections in the future on a federal level, fact and evidence

Joe Biden is corrupt. Fact and evidence

Biden and Obama used the fbi to illegally spy on Trump four years ago. Fact and evidence

---

Pretty much all of that was debunked and proven to be lies, but go ahead and tell us that we need to "do our own research".

Screaming it's been debunked does not make it so. The propagandists just say debunked and sweep everything under the rug and the sheeple just bleat and go back to grazing

"Wake up," "Rise" "Awake" "Rouse yourself" --- all of these are routine slogans in history against a perceived malignant force. It says nothing about the speaker.

Don't let Left advocates demonize by false comparisons to Nazis. In fact, what that slogan was talking about at the time wasn't even the evil side of the fascists. Its a call to arms and alert -- nothing more -- in a host of languages over the centuries.

Pathfinder&Outlander said:

---

agg75 said:

---

No facts or evidence of fraud?

Trump won Florida, Ohio and Iowa, fact and evidence

Vote counting was shut down in the middle of the night in swing states. Fact and evidence

Biden votes were dumped in the middle of the night. Fact and evidence

Dead people voted, people voted twice, out of state people voted, underage people voted, illegal aliens voted. Fact and evidence

Antrium county Michigan machines were manipulated. Fact and evidence

First spending bill after the election paid off the crooked states. Fact and evidence

First house bill HR1 codifies crooked elections in the future on a federal level, fact and evidence

Joe Biden is corrupt. Fact and evidence

Biden and Obama used the fbi to illegally spy on Trump four years ago. Fact and evidence

---

Pretty much all of that was debunked and proven to be lies, but go ahead and tell us that we need to "do our own research".

---

disputed by a liberal or DNC Propaganda networks =/= debunked and/or proven to be a lie

All it takes is for some random twitter nut job to claim that an allegation has been "debunked" and the entire unethical left will run with it.

Gotta add a hundred corrupt judges, including Trump appointees, to the list or the conspiracy doesn't work.

Pylon Cam said:

---

Earl_Rudder said:

---

Born&Raised said:

---

Tea Party said:

---

Great post OP. Hopefully the sheep watch and really think about what all happened this past year. There is a lot to learn from if this time last year they did not see what the plan was

---

It is really funny how a group of people who follow one man, nearly religiously, accuse others of being sheep.

THAT TERM is used to make others feel strong. You take people who have a good head on their shoulders and have better ideas and just label them "sheep" to puff yourself up without having to actually provide any ideas or proof that your ideas work.

Sheep.... get a new line. The threads are dying

---

And again, this is where the libs lose it.

First off, we didn't follow him. We supported him.

Secondly, we didn't support him because of his personality. We supported him because of his love for America and the values that this country has.

The exact opposite of libs and Obama, who fell for a charlatan snake oil salesman that hates America.

---

Oh please - You think Trump of all people represents American values?

His behavior goes against American values in pretty much every way possible. He's anti-immigrant, he's a draft dodger, he cheated on his wife with a pornstar, he disrespects our military, and he routinely violated laws/our constitution while in office.

Trump said it himself - he loves conservatives because they're easy to trick. Trump is evil and manipulative, and I hope y'all realize that before it's too late.

---

Sounds like you literally just described the entire democratic party and their followers, outside of being anti anti immigrant at the expense of legal American's. That's the irony here.

I'm not even a Trump guy, but I get what's it's about. Give me DeSantis, trump's policies without the baggage that people like you can post about(even though ironically that very baggage is more prevalent in the current democratic party).

barnyard1996 said:

---

The people supported Trump's America First plan because a rising tide lifts all boats.

In retaliation the libs decided to convince people that America is a crappy place.

---

Really no other way to describe the last coupe of years for those that have been paying attention.