Arizona Election Audit

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Here we go: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/22/arizona-republicans-begin-audit-2020-election-ballots

We need one of these in Fulton county, too.

It will be interesting to see if this turns up substantial problems or not.

I would think that lack of any major problems would be a major source of confidence in the voting mechanism.

However, I found this quote to be hilariously hypocritical:

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"That should scare a lot of people," said Martin Quezada, a Democrat in the Arizona state senate. "Who are the people that are gonna be donating to this? It's already shown that this is the people who have an agenda and that agenda is to show that there was some sort of fraud, that there was a stolen election."

Well, then, why did you oppose the law that would take private donations from people that have shown they have a certain agenda to donate to the count in the first place.
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Saw on the election thread that they found over 10,000 illegal votes in Georgia, which is beyond the margin of victory.

Don't have much hope for the AZ audit. Guessing evidence of fraud, if any, was disposed of long ago.
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The real fraud was with the mail in ballots and ballot harvesting. Any fraud committed using the Dominion systems was secondary to the primary fraud efforts.
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Rapier108 said:

The real fraud was with the mail in ballots and ballot harvesting. Any fraud committed using the Dominion systems was secondary to the primary fraud efforts.
Again I've seen a decently organized blue precinct commit quite a bit of fraud in 2008. What they would have done with ballot harvesting boggles my mind.
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Rapier108 said:

The real fraud was with the mail in ballots and ballot harvesting. Any fraud committed using the Dominion systems was secondary to the primary fraud efforts.
We will probably never know the truth about Dominion's role if any. The evidence, the machine's software will have certainly been scrubbed by now. They all have wireless connections, plug in, delete and reload software.

Skeptical cynical old man I am.
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BusterAg said:

Here we go: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/22/arizona-republicans-begin-audit-2020-election-ballots

We need one of these in Fulton county, too.

It will be interesting to see if this turns up substantial problems or not.

I would think that lack of any major problems would be a major source of confidence in the voting mechanism.

After seeing more votes than registered voters (even votes from more than 80% of registered voters is considered suspect) a lack of major findings would be a major red flag that the auditors are bought.
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One thing that it seems like they are planning on doing is checking to see if the addresses on mail in votes are legit.

If we see something where a homeless shelter with a total capacity of 20 people has like 200 mail in votes, that would create quite a problem.

Another thing that could come up is if they find a large number of mail in votes that use the same handwriting.

In my mind, if they find anything, it is likely to be something along this line.
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https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-senate-republicans-begin-months-long-2020-election-audit-at-veterans-memorial-coliseum

"All ballots are expected to be delivered by April 22.

The coliseum is booked for the audit from April 19 until May 14, but Senate Republicans estimate it will be 2-3 months before the audit is completed."

They will get blisters on their fingers...
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Imagine the folks at an internal corporate audit or SEC audit resisting. That would be a clear sign of fraud. Just like it's a clear sign of fraud with the election.
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TexAgs91 said:

BusterAg said:

Here we go: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/22/arizona-republicans-begin-audit-2020-election-ballots

We need one of these in Fulton county, too.

It will be interesting to see if this turns up substantial problems or not.

I would think that lack of any major problems would be a major source of confidence in the voting mechanism.

After seeing more votes than registered voters (even votes from more than 80% of registered voters is considered suspect) a lack of major findings would be a major red flag that the auditors are bought.
If you find even one precinct where you have more votes than registered voters, that is going to create a huge cluster.

You are either going to have votes that were counted from people ineligible to vote, voters that voted twice, voters that voted in the wrong place, or a lot more ballots than the count of people that voted.

Specifying which of those happened, and giving the examples and proof, would be quite a major deal.
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So are they really testing for bamboo?

It is that a joke like the "sharpie" hysteria many got duped into?
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BMX Bandit said:

So are they really testing for bamboo?

It is that a joke like the "sharpie" hysteria many got duped into?
Not a joke. Pulitzer can determine the country and even locale within that country by the composition of the paper. The use of bamboo in paper indicates China and other SE Asian locations.
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Very interesting. Thx
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aggiehawg said:

BMX Bandit said:

So are they really testing for bamboo?

It is that a joke like the "sharpie" hysteria many got duped into?
Not a joke. Pulitzer can determine the country and even locale within that country by the composition of the paper. The use of bamboo in paper indicates China and other SE Asian locations.


That's pretty amazing that it can be traced with that level of specificity. Are they looking into that because there's a theory out there that materials in paper can be manipulated to change votes in voting machines?
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No Spin Ag said:

aggiehawg said:

BMX Bandit said:

So are they really testing for bamboo?

It is that a joke like the "sharpie" hysteria many got duped into?
Not a joke. Pulitzer can determine the country and even locale within that country by the composition of the paper. The use of bamboo in paper indicates China and other SE Asian locations.


That's pretty amazing that it can be traced with that level of specificity. Are they looking into that because there's a theory out there that materials in paper can be manipulated to change votes in voting machines?
No. It is the sourcing of the paper used by the companies paid to print the ballots. Individual printers also leave a kinematic artifact that Pulitzer can detect using his analysis.

Why is that important?

Because of the overly high adjudication rates. When the cues for the tabulators to "read" the ballots are misaligned, those ballots are kicked out for human adjudication. The tolerances on those scanners can also be adjusted to toss more ballots out for adjudication.

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They're only concern because they know they cheated. They think they had a right to cheat because they hated Donald Trump. If you don't cheat then you don't concern yourself with an audit. It's that simple.

If these people truly believed that nothing was done wrong then they wouldn't care at all about proving it. These lying, cheating, in constant victimization Democrats can just **** off and go to hell.
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Rapier108 said:

The real fraud was with the mail in ballots and ballot harvesting. Any fraud committed using the Dominion systems was secondary to the primary fraud efforts.
That's how Scott Adams saw it too. The actual fraud and chicanery was far more straight-forward in in-face. He dwelt less on the voting machine techicals.
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aggiehawg said:

No Spin Ag said:

aggiehawg said:

BMX Bandit said:

So are they really testing for bamboo?

It is that a joke like the "sharpie" hysteria many got duped into?
Not a joke. Pulitzer can determine the country and even locale within that country by the composition of the paper. The use of bamboo in paper indicates China and other SE Asian locations.


That's pretty amazing that it can be traced with that level of specificity. Are they looking into that because there's a theory out there that materials in paper can be manipulated to change votes in voting machines?
No. It is the sourcing of the paper used by the companies paid to print the ballots. Individual printers also leave a kinematic artifact that Pulitzer can detect using his analysis.

Why is that important?

Because of the overly high adjudication rates. When the cues for the tabulators to "read" the ballots are misaligned, those ballots are kicked out for human adjudication. The tolerances on those scanners can also be adjusted to toss more ballots out for adjudication.




Okay, that is interesting. Thanks for the education.
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Okay, that is interesting. Thanks for the education.
You are welcome. Pulitzer is very sensical and articulate. He can make the technical issues more digestible as to how the machines interface with paper, at every stage of the voting process. He can even tell if a ballot was filled out in the home of a smoker just by his forensic examination of the ballot. Which type of ink was used and if two ballots coming from the same address were filled out by two separate people or just one.

The part wherein he got the most pushback was showing how the barcodes were missing from the sample ballots that were pulled from the Georgia Secretary of State's website. Those showed the misalignment issues to which I referred earlier. Those misalignment issues cause heavier human interaction with the ballots through the adjudication process.

Then first time I saw the Fulton County Election Supervisor say that they had adjudicated over 106,000 of 113,000 ballots, I actually thought he had misspoke and didn't really understand the implications of his use of that terminology. But he knew exactly what he was saying. And like Pulitzer said, that shows a complete failure of the machines and those who programmed them.

Couple that information with the Zuckerberg payroll folks being snuck into the election officials; offices in Wisconsin and given that access and you can see where the opportunities for a great of mischief was wide open in select states in 2020.
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You can watch the audit in real time Here for anyone interested.
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So Pulitzer gonna show us an alarming amount of fraudulent Arizona ballots. This will be actual evidence of a stolen election!

Next step...hand over to FBI

lol, still do not have enough ammo.
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The precinct with the bar code refers to Roswell Georgia, not buckhead. And then he pulls % republican voters from the wrong county. Not really adding up for me. The difference in the ballots and the adjudication is definitely concerning though.
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Any knowledge of the adjudication rate in Maricopa?

Also, any idea why some ballots in Georgia had a bar code, and others didn't?
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This situation won't be fixed until we fix who is working the polls.
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BusterAg said:

Any knowledge of the adjudication rate in Maricopa?

Also, any idea why some ballots in Georgia had a bar code, and others didn't?
As to Maricopa, there is this report from last November:

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Earlier this week Arizona Daily Independent reported on the whistleblower's concerns with what appeared to be lax procedures for backing up the county's central count tabulators. The concerns included what appeared to be no chain of custody or steps to preserve the integrity of the data on the external back-up hard drives, which were placed in easily identified orange cases.

"I would think it should be just like handling physical evidence at a police crime scene," the whistleblower said, adding that the hard drive was likely taken off site for security. "But there was apparently no witness to the back-up, no logging or sealing of the hard drive."
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The whistleblower, however, said they also made some "concerning" observations with how the ballot adjudication process took place.

Adjudication is required when the Dominion Corp.'s Democracy Suite 5.5-B voting system used by Maricopa County senses an error in reading a ballot. In past elections this would typically involve a torn or crinkled ballot, or one that had some type of extraneous mark.

But a judge heard testimony last week in a trial for one election challenge lawsuit that county officials knew early on in the voting cycle that the recommended Sharpie pens were causing bleed-through on the ballots. And although officials insist the ballots were designed so bleed-through wouldn't matter, they did acknowledge the reports that many tabulation machines had issues at times accepting ballots.
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Add to that a much higher number of mail-in and early in-person voting than ever before and a new electronic adjudication process, and it wasn't long before the adjudication ballots got stacked up, the whistleblower said.

And that is where things got especially concerning, according to the whistleblower.

The delays and lag time became an issue at MCTEC, especially for the Dominion personnel who started discussing ways to "work around" the back log and speed up the process. One of those ways appeared to be going into the files containing batches of ballot images and splitting the files into smaller batches, the whistleblower said.

Once done, the subfiles would be put back into the larger main file. The problem for the whistleblower is that there appeared to be no check and balance to ensure those smaller files were properly accounted for once adjudicated.

"What assurances are there that all of this was done okay?" the whistleblower noted. "What audit trail, key stroke monitoring, access logs are there?"

Another issue the whistleblower discussed is the process the Arizona Secretary of State's office went through before certifying the Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5-B voting system used by Maricopa County.

The system must be accredited by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission and also certified by the Arizona Secretary of State. Several states, including Colorado, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Texas, tested various models of Dominion's Democracy 5.5 over the last year to determine whether to certify a specific model for use in the 2020 election.

Copies of those states' pre-certification examination reports are available online, but Arizona's testing reports of the 5.5-B from prior to certification are not readily accessible on the state's website.
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One of the reports prepared for the Texas Secretary of State's Office last year for a pre-certification examination of a Democracy Suite 5.5-A system noted that "during adjudication of the ballots in the test election, one of the Dominion representatives made a series of mistakes that caused the entire batch of adjudication results to be lost. We did not see this problem again during this exam, but the adjudication system is unchanged, so this vulnerability is still present."
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Thomas Lane was one of a half dozen observers whom Ward's attorney, Jack Wilenchik, called to the stand. Lane, who was observing on behalf of the campaign opposing Proposition 207, which legalizes recreational marijuana, said he watched election workers mistakenly negate votes for Trump. He said the software that tries to prefill what it believes to be the voter's choices generally favored Biden, regardless of what the original ballot said.

Oftentimes, the election workers caught those mistakes and corrected them, Lane said. When they didn't, he took notes and informed them after they completed the duplication process. The election workers said they would use the serial numbers he wrote down to find the improperly duplicated ballot and correct it later, Lane testified.

Lane said he doesn't know whether election workers ultimately corrected those mistakes, but they said they would.

Several credentialed Republican observers said they saw similar problems with the software, usually to Biden's benefit and Trump's detriment.

Kenneth Sampson said he was able to roam the downtown election center and compare the original ballots to the suggested duplications, which were side by side on computer screens.

"Across the board I saw those were wholly inaccurate," he said.

While some observers testified that election workers said they would correct the problems they witnessed, one observer, Lori Gray, said she didn't realize until later that she could get the ballots' serial numbers to report them to the county. Another observer, Jan Bryant, testified that she only saw "minor mistakes" and saw no problems with the duplication boards that copied new ballots.

Linda Brickman, the first vice chair of the Maricopa County Republican Party, testified that in her work on a bipartisan adjudication board, the software program often wouldn't allow her to correct mistakes that took legitimate votes away from Trump. And she said election workers wrongly determined that some votes that should have counted toward Trump's total were ineligible.
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Nothing can stop what is coming.
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Spyderman said:

Nothing can stop what is coming.
And what exactly is that?

We've been hearing this for so long and nothing has made it to the top of the steaming pile.
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Does a nice job of debunking the router nonsense Maricopa County is spewing.
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Jan Bryant was on War Room. She says the Dominion people told the election workers to go home at 3:00PM as they needed to reboot the system.

Watch her video Here
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Instead of Russia Russia Russia..we have Kraken Kraken Kraken.

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Any time a tweet starts with "Bombshell", I tune out, because 99.9% of the time it isn't.
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How do you audit Trump ballots that were shredded and destroyed months ago?
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Nothing will come out of this. They've had more than enough time to cover their tracks. It's just theater so they can try and convince us all that our elections are secure and we can continue to pretend we are a democracy.
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Time to bump this thread so big news doesn't get buried in the election day thread. Apologize for the length but this is important. Maricopa County has deleted a very large portion of database for the 2020 election.

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Here is the letter to Maricopa County Supervisor Chairman Jack Sellers from Arizona Senate President Karen Fann:
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Dear Chairman Sellers:

I am writing to seek your assistance and cooperation in the resolution of three (3) serious issues that have arisen in the course of the Senate's ongoing audit of the returns of the November 3, 2020, general election in Maricopa County.

I. Ongoing Non-Compliance with the Legislative Subpoenas
The first issue concerns Maricopa County's apparent intent to renege on its previous commitment to comply fully with the legislative subpoenas issued on January 13, 2021, which, as you know, Judge Thomason found were valid and enforceable.

To date, attorneys for Maricopa County have refused to produce virtual images of routers used in connection with the general election, relying on a conclusory and unsupported assertion that providing the routers would somehow "endanger the lives of law enforcement officers, their operations, or the protected health information and personal data of Maricopa County's citizens."If true, the fact that Maricopa County stores on its routers substantial quantities of citizens' and employees' highly sensitive personal information is an alarming indictment of the County's lax data security practices, rather than of the legislative subpoenas.

Similarly, the County's assertion that producing the internet routers for inspection would cost up to $6,000,000 seems at odds with Deputy County Attorney Joseph La Rue's prior representation to Audit Liaison Ken Bennett that the routers already had been disconnected from the County's network and were prepared for imminent delivery to the Senate.

Nevertheless, in an effort to resolve the dispute regarding production of the routers, we propose that agents of CyFIR, an experienced digital forensics firm and subcontractor of Cyber Ninjas, review virtual images of the relevant routers in Maricopa County facilities and in the presence of representatives of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. Such an arrangement would permit Maricopa County to retain custody and monitor the review of router data while ensuring that the Senate may access the information it requiresand to which it is constitutionally entitledto successfully complete its audit. The Senate has no interest in viewing or taking possession of any information that is unrelated to the administration of the 2020 general election.

Separately, Maricopa County has refused to provide the passwords necessary to access vote tabulation devices. Its attorneys' insistence that the County does not have custody or control of this information is belied by the County's conduct of its own audits, which, if they were as comprehensive as they purported to be, almost certainly would have entailed use of the passwords to examine the tabulation devices, and it strains credulity to posit that the County has no contractual right to obtain (i.e., control of) password information from Dominion.

I. Chain of Custody and Ballot Organization Anomalies

As the audit has progressed, the Senate's contractors have become aware of apparent omissions, inconsistencies, and anomalies relating to Maricopa County's handling, organization, and storage of ballots.We hope you can assist us in understanding these issues, including specifically the following:


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  • The County has not provided any chain-of-custody documentation for the ballots.Does such documentation exist, and if so, will it be produced?
  • The bags in which the ballots were stored are not sealed, although the audit team has found at the bottom of many boxes cut seals of the type that would have sealed a ballot bag. Why were these seals placed at the bottom of the boxes?
  • Batches within a box are frequently separated by only a divider without any indication of the corresponding batch numbers.In some cases, the batch dividers are missing altogether.This lack of organization has significantly complicated and delayed the audit team's ballot processing efforts.What are the County's procedures for sorting, organizing, and packaging ballot batches?
  • Most of the ballot boxes were sealed merely with regular tape and not secured by any kind of tamper-evident seal.Is that the County's customary practice for storing ballots?
  • The audit team has encountered a significant number of instances in which there is a disparity between the actual number of ballots contained in a batch and the total denoted on the pink report slip accompanying the batch.In most of these instances, the total on the pink report slip is greater than the number of ballots in the batch, although there are a few instances in which the total is lower.What are the reasons for these discrepancies?For your reference, please see several illustrative (i.e., not comprehensive) examples in the table below:
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    III. Deleted Databases

    We have recently discovered that the entire "Database" directory from the D drive of the machine "EMSPrimary" has been deleted. This removes election related details that appear to have been covered by the subpoena. In addition, the main database for the Election Management System (EMS) Software, "Results Tally and Reporting," is not located anywhere on the EMSPrimary machine, even though all of the EMS Clients reference that machine as the location of the database. This suggests that the main database for all election-related data for the November 2020 General Election has been removed. Can you please advise as to why these folders were deleted, and whether there are any backups that may contain the deleted folders?

    The image below shows the location of the files known to be deleted. In addition, the main database for "Results Tally and Reporting" is not present.



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    I am hopeful that we can constructively resolve these issues and questions without recourse to additional subpoenas or other compulsory processes.To that end, I invite you and any other officers or employees of Maricopa County (to include officials in the Elections Department) who possess knowledge or information concerning the matters set forth above to a meeting at the Arizona State Capitol on Tuesday, May 18, 2021, at 1:00 p.m. in Hearing Room 109. Chairman Petersen, former Secretary Bennett, and I will attend the meeting, which will be live-streamed to the public.

    Please let me know at your earliest convenience whether you accept my invitation and, if so, which Maricopa County personnel will attend.

    Thank you for your cooperation on these important issues of public concern.

    Respectfully,

    Karen Fann, President

    Arizona State Senate

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