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annie88 said:
His follow up. Bless his heart he doesn't think corporations pay taxes.
He also seems to have a few screws loose.
In a way he's right, but not in the way he intended.annie88 said:
His follow up. Bless his heart he doesn't think corporations pay taxes.
He also seems to have a few screws loose.
well, that is literally how business can survive. Revenue > SG&A + COGS + tax = profitAndrew99 said:In a way he's right, but not in the way he intended.annie88 said:
His follow up. Bless his heart he doesn't think corporations pay taxes.
He also seems to have a few screws loose.
Corporations do not pay taxes, people do. Corporations simply pass the tax burden on to real people by increasing prices or reducing cost (employee compensation).
Orwell, a socialist himself, said that they don't really want to help the poor, they just hate the rich.Maroon Dawn said:
Leftist definition of wealthy "Anyone who makes a $1 more than I do are filthy rich capitalist dogs! Tax the ever living **** out of those bourgeois *******s! But me? I'm just a hard working member of the proletariat too Komrades!"
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It may be said, however, that even if the theoretical book-trained Socialist is not a working man himself, at least he is actuated by a love of the working class. He is endeavouring to shed his bourgeois status and fight on the side of the proletariat that, obviously, must be his motive.
But is it? Sometimes I look at a Socialist the intellectual, tract-writing type of Socialist, with his pullover, his fuzzy hair, and his Marxian quotation and wonder what the devil his motive really is. It is often difficult to believe that it is a love of anybody, especially of the working class, from whom he is of all people the furthest removed.
The underlying motive of many Socialists, I believe, is simply a hypertrophied sense of order. The present state of affairs offends them not because it causes misery, still less because it makes freedom impossible, but because it is untidy; what they desire, basically, is to reduce the world to something resembling a chessboard.
Take the plays of a lifelong Socialist like Shaw. How much understanding or even awareness of working-class life do they display? Shaw himself declares that you can only bring a working man on the stage 'as an object of compassion'; in practice he doesn't bring him on even as that, but merely as a sort of W. W. Jacobs figure of fun the ready-made comic East Ender, like those in Major Barbara and Captain Brassbound's Conversion. At best his attitude to the working class is the s******ing Punch attitude, in more serious moments (consider, for instance, the young man who symbolizes the dispossessed classes in Misalliance) he finds them merely contemptible and disgusting. Poverty and, what is more, the habits of mind created by poverty, are something to be abolished from above, by violence if necessary; perhaps even preferably by violence. Hence his worship of 'great' men and appetite for dictatorships,
Fascist or Communist; for to him, apparently (vide his remarks apropos of the Italo-Abyssinian war and the Stalin-Wells conversations), Stalin and Mussolini are almost equivalent persons. You get the same thing in a more mealy-mouthed form in Mrs Sidney Webb's autobiography, which gives, unconsciously, a most revealing picture of the high-minded Socialist slum-visitor. The truth is that, to many people calling themselves Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them', the Lower Orders. On the other hand, it would be a mistake to regard the book-trained Socialist as a bloodless creature entirely incapable of emotion. Though seldom giving much evidence of affection for the exploited, he is perfectly capable of displaying hatred a sort of queer, theoretical, in vacua hatred against the exploiters. Hence the grand old Socialist sport of denouncing the bourgeoisie. It is strange how easily almost any Socialist writer can lash himself into frenzies of rage against the class to which, by birth or by adoption, he himself invariably belongs.
The clerisy. I had totally forgotten that term; at first I thought you were saying they are the "clergy" of the New Regressive World Order. (Kommisars of them also fit) But your quote brings home a very good parallel.Average Guy said:titan said:
Left wing Professors are the third leg of the tripod that is destroying the American you knew: Press,Politicans,Professors.
All should be ostracised.
Yes, while they pretend to be revolutionaries, deluding even themselves I think, they really are the clerisy for the new order.
Today's oligarchs depend on a modern, overwhelmingly liberal clerisy for legitimacyQuote:
Huxley's scenario [in Brave New World] eerily resembles what today's oligarchs favour: a society conditioned by technology and ruled by an elite with superior intelligence. The power of the Controllers in Brave New World resides mostly in their ability to mould cultural values: like those at the top of today's clerisy they suppress unacceptable ideas not by brute force but by characterising them as deplorable, risible, absurd, or even pornographic. Because their pronouncements are accepted as authoritative, they can run a thought-dictatorship far more subtle, and efficient, than that of Mussolini, Hitler, or Stalin..Quote:
The modern clerisy tend to believe themselves more enlightened than the average person on attitudes about the family, for example and seek to impose their own standards through the media, the education system, and various arenas of cultural production
And every time you go to the grocery or any other store, their is also a markup for items due to shoplifting and other theft.Andrew99 said:In a way he's right, but not in the way he intended.annie88 said:
His follow up. Bless his heart he doesn't think corporations pay taxes.
He also seems to have a few screws loose.
Corporations do not pay taxes, people do. Corporations simply pass the tax burden on to real people by increasing prices or reducing cost (employee compensation).