Obama deliberately did much more damage to the Republic, to the rule of law, and he stirred up so much more dissension.
TwelveA said:
For the past 4 years, Trumper Republicans willfully and knowingly supported Trump's lies, corruption, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, sedition, and even his treason.
The Scots have an old saying: "Sooner or later, laddie, the piper must always be paid."
Just 7 days from now, the piper's bill will become due, and collectors will begin pursuing collection for 4 years of debt.
Will the GOP survive? Not if it allows the seditionist Trumpers to continue to control the party and be party members. Those people have to be held accountable.
TwelveA said:
For the past 4 years, Trumper Republicans willfully and knowingly supported Trump's lies, corruption, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, sedition, and even his treason.
Trimmed down what I quoted from your post above because this is specifically what I want to address.HowdyTexasAggies said:Complete Idiot said:
I do have a very strong dislike for President Trump, however I formed my opinion of him well before he was President, well before he ever considered running for public office, well before many current voters were maybe even born. I'm almost 50 and I've known and read about Trump since I was a teenager.
Derangement Syndrome, as I understand it - no, I don't think I have that. I agree with some of his foreign policy decisions, I agree with some of what he has implemented for business tax and other traditionally republican fiscal/federal regulation topics. I don't think everything he has done is bad, at all - but what I do feel he has done bad I feel is very, very bad for America. The President is not just a policy influencer but also sets a tone for the behavior of America - he has divided, enraged, goaded, insulted. Some applaud that - "screw traditional politicians!" they say - but I think you should be able to be a decent human who behaves admirably while still blowing up traditional politics. Much of his behavior, which I again have observed my entire life, not just while hes been in politics, is against what I was taught as a kid and what I teach my own kids. It's basic human decency. But that's just his personal behavior that leads to my dislike, not his presidential policy.
I don't disagree with your points, but you need to come to gripes with the fact that has long gone out the window. You either fight the war, or lose. The GOP are losers, gave us Obama for 8 years. Look no further than the last two candidates behavior. Mitt Romney and McCain?
Trumps behavior, while may be distasteful, is a necessary evil. War sucks, and we are without question in the middle of one.
Joe Biden is a career politician, a criminal, and beholden to China.Complete Idiot said:
I am somewhat encouraged - and forgive me for saying something positive about the democratic party - that instead of picking someone very aggressive as their candidate they picked probably the most bland, safe, name recognized candidate they could. It encourages me because maybe just being more "normal" being proven to be able to win an election will lead to a slow down in these escalations. But we'll see how naive I might be after Biden gets in to office, perhaps just a puppet to get in the office and then crazy far left liberal **** gets pushed down from those pulling the strings. I'm afraid I know what the answer will be, but choosing to be optimistic now and hoping the next Republican nominee is someone I can respect, trust, and fully support and not someone awful like Ted Cruz.
OMG. Give this man a Darwin award.MaroonGoons2020 said:captkirk said:
74 million votes
That was before he encouraged an insurrection and betrayed our country.
Maroon, reread SW-14's reply from earlier ...MaroonGoons2020 said:captkirk said:
74 million votes
That was before he encouraged an insurrection and betrayed our country.
SEDITION! TREASON! Man, you really have yourself dangerously worked up.TwelveA said:
For the past 4 years, Trumper Republicans willfully and knowingly supported Trump's lies, corruption, malfeasance, dereliction of duty, sedition, and even his treason.
The Scots have an old saying: "Sooner or later, laddie, the piper must always be paid."
Just 7 days from now, the piper's bill will become due, and collectors will begin pursuing collection for 4 years of debt.
Will the GOP survive? Not if it allows the seditionist Trumpers to continue to control the party and be party members. Those people have to be held accountable.
You should take a break. You're embarrassing yourself!agsalaska said:
Nixon
MaroonGoons2020 said:
Has there ever been a president to cause more damage to the Republican Party than Trump. Because of the hatred for him, we now have the most popular president elect ever. The democrats now have control of the house and the senate. Major businesses are starting to distance themselves more and more. Many of his followers are now considered domestic terrorists etc...
Poppy67 said:MaroonGoons2020 said:
Has there ever been a president to cause more damage to the Republican Party than Trump. Because of the hatred for him, we now have the most popular president elect ever. The democrats now have control of the house and the senate. Major businesses are starting to distance themselves more and more. Many of his followers are now considered domestic terrorists etc...
Supporting this guy at this point in time defies all logic. Character does matter.
You should stop denying the truth. It is so obvious that you are struggling with the fact that you supported a loser in every sense of the word. I am sorry for you.Ellis Wyatt said:You're lying. Stop lying.MaroonGoons2020 said:captkirk said:
74 million votes
That was before he encouraged an insurrection and betrayed our country.
Ellis is anything but a Trump supporter. He calls out bull**** from everyone. Stop attacking people you know nothing about.aggielatoo said:You should stop denying the truth. It is so obvious that you are struggling with the fact that you supported a loser in every sense of the word. I am sorry for you.Ellis Wyatt said:You're lying. Stop lying.MaroonGoons2020 said:captkirk said:
74 million votes
That was before he encouraged an insurrection and betrayed our country.
Latoo: the guy who said he voted for Trump in 2016 and has spent all his time since smearing the guy, no matter how illogical the yarn he was spinning.mazag08 said:Ellis is anything but a Trump supporter. He calls out bull**** from everyone. Stop attacking people you know nothing about.aggielatoo said:You should stop denying the truth. It is so obvious that you are struggling with the fact that you supported a loser in every sense of the word. I am sorry for you.Ellis Wyatt said:You're lying. Stop lying.MaroonGoons2020 said:captkirk said:
74 million votes
That was before he encouraged an insurrection and betrayed our country.
Start with Ted Cruz.tskc91 said:
Character is literally a comical position to take. The pot calling the kettle black if you will. It is totally indefensible.
Ever heard of the Russian Hoax? Spying on a competitors Presidential campaign? How about allowing selective Leaking of secrets to benefit a political agenda? Ignoring the true facts of the biased Whistle Blower to support a false impeachment from a known political operative? Withholding a second relief bill pre-election to inflict maximum political damage at the expense of the American People? Supporting anti-semitic congresswomen without censure? Democratic leadership is the absolute definition of lacking character. The last 12 years have been an embarrassment of the Constitution our founders intended. Time for the end of Career Politicians who eat at the trough of tax payers.
You need to get back to work.Ellis Wyatt said:Latoo: the guy who said he voted for Trump in 2016 and has spent all his time since smearing the guy, no matter how illogical the yarn he was spinning.mazag08 said:Ellis is anything but a Trump supporter. He calls out bull**** from everyone. Stop attacking people you know nothing about.aggielatoo said:You should stop denying the truth. It is so obvious that you are struggling with the fact that you supported a loser in every sense of the word. I am sorry for you.Ellis Wyatt said:You're lying. Stop lying.MaroonGoons2020 said:captkirk said:
74 million votes
That was before he encouraged an insurrection and betrayed our country.
If policy matter so much - why was there all the name calling and personal attacks (whether from Trump or from this board.) When the "dementia Joe" is tossed around - that's not about his policy.deddog said:This.Leather Tuscadero said:Poppy67 said:MaroonGoons2020 said:
Has there ever been a president to cause more damage to the Republican Party than Trump. Because of the hatred for him, we now have the most popular president elect ever. The democrats now have control of the house and the senate. Major businesses are starting to distance themselves more and more. Many of his followers are now considered domestic terrorists etc...
Supporting this guy at this point in time defies all logic. Character does matter.
Policy matters more. Especially since it actually affects your life.
I don't care about what politicians say .
I care about what they do.
Trump was nails on most of his policies (Economy, ISIS, BLM, China, Russia, Iran, Illegal Immigration, Covid, and of course - supreme court justices who will follow the law and constitution)
I guess you were too young for Clinton, since surely you wouldn't tell your kids to cheat on their spouse.dude95 said:If policy matter so much - why was there all the name calling and personal attacks (whether from Trump or from this board.) When the "dementia Joe" is tossed around - that's not about his policy.deddog said:This.Leather Tuscadero said:Poppy67 said:MaroonGoons2020 said:
Has there ever been a president to cause more damage to the Republican Party than Trump. Because of the hatred for him, we now have the most popular president elect ever. The democrats now have control of the house and the senate. Major businesses are starting to distance themselves more and more. Many of his followers are now considered domestic terrorists etc...
Supporting this guy at this point in time defies all logic. Character does matter.
Policy matters more. Especially since it actually affects your life.
I don't care about what politicians say .
I care about what they do.
Trump was nails on most of his policies (Economy, ISIS, BLM, China, Russia, Iran, Illegal Immigration, Covid, and of course - supreme court justices who will follow the law and constitution)
Trump was supposed to be a leader - someone I would tell my kids to act like. Only president in my life that I actively tell my kids that's not the proper way of acting. He could have made a second term on policy (not that I agree on all of his policy, but there are things that would be better than Biden). He devided the country more than any other.
If you're looking to a politician to tell your kids who to act like, you've failed as a parent.dude95 said:If policy matter so much - why was there all the name calling and personal attacks (whether from Trump or from this board.) When the "dementia Joe" is tossed around - that's not about his policy.deddog said:This.Leather Tuscadero said:Poppy67 said:MaroonGoons2020 said:
Has there ever been a president to cause more damage to the Republican Party than Trump. Because of the hatred for him, we now have the most popular president elect ever. The democrats now have control of the house and the senate. Major businesses are starting to distance themselves more and more. Many of his followers are now considered domestic terrorists etc...
Supporting this guy at this point in time defies all logic. Character does matter.
Policy matters more. Especially since it actually affects your life.
I don't care about what politicians say .
I care about what they do.
Trump was nails on most of his policies (Economy, ISIS, BLM, China, Russia, Iran, Illegal Immigration, Covid, and of course - supreme court justices who will follow the law and constitution)
Trump was supposed to be a leader - someone I would tell my kids to act like. Only president in my life that I actively tell my kids that's not the proper way of acting. He could have made a second term on policy (not that I agree on all of his policy, but there are things that would be better than Biden). He devided the country more than any other.
Biden = blandComplete Idiot said:
Trimmed down what I quoted from your post above because this is specifically what I want to address.
I agree with what you are saying. I understand, I think, how Trump came to be the Republican nominee and what many voters wanted it to achieve in response to what Democratic leadership had done.
I find this very scary, the amping up of the politically motivated attacks, by both parties, against the other side. The amping up of the number of people I see stating all democrats are idiots or hate America or all republicans are racists or hate America. How can this not be scary to everyone? How do we break the cycle?
I am somewhat encouraged - and forgive me for saying something positive about the democratic party - that instead of picking someone very aggressive as their candidate they picked probably the most bland, safe, name recognized candidate they could. It encourages me because maybe just being more "normal" being proven to be able to win an election will lead to a slow down in these escalations. But we'll see how naive I might be after Biden gets in to office, perhaps just a puppet to get in the office and then crazy far left liberal **** gets pushed down from those pulling the strings. I'm afraid I know what the answer will be, but choosing to be optimistic now and hoping the next Republican nominee is someone I can respect, trust, and fully support and not someone awful like Ted Cruz.
Agreed they are not bastions of morality & principles, except when they are compared to the Trump Rs, 99% who have shown themselves to possess zero morals and principles.halfastros81 said:
You got one thing sort of correct . Trump did expose the Never Trumpers for what they are. It's not what you say. They are not bastions of character and high morals at all. Quite the opposite.
and he still lost by 7 million votescaptkirk said:
74 million votes
MaroonGoons2020 said:
Has there ever been a president to cause more damage to the Republican Party than Trump. Because of the hatred for him, we now have the most popular president elect ever. The democrats now have control of the house and the senate. Major businesses are starting to distance themselves more and more. Many of his followers are now considered domestic terrorists etc...
Okay.Roparzh said:
How about Andrew Johnson and Richard Nixon? However, RINOs have done the worst damage to the Republican Party.