InfantryAg said:

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queso1 said:

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At some point we are going to have to figure out WHY people act like this rather than just punishing them after. Why do some people make instinctual bad actions that ruin their lives while others don't? I sincerely believe that as science improves, we will look back on the treatment of some criminals the same way we look at burning people at the stake for being possessed by demons.

There's got to be something chemically or structurally wrong with someone in order for them to have zero self control. It's not a "gangsta" attitude...it's a lack of control and being able to process cause and effect.

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Not so much, based on my experience.

I can place the majority of people I've arrested into a few categories:
- evil people (a small percentage)
- neutral people who make bad decisions (the vast majority)
- good people who make a mistake (a very small percentage)
- people with mental health or substance abuse issues (these cross over all the other categories)

People making bad decisions is often based on their community and their socioeconomic status.

People don't obey the law because they are worried about being caught, they obey the law because of community norms.

The other issue is crime is a completely viable career option. There really isn't much risk overall. And once you have an adult record, it closes lots of other options.

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Would you say it is based on socioeconomic status (which I tamed to mean causal) or correlated to socioeconomic status?

aggie_sprt said:

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The moment the player had the 1st unsportsmanlike penalty called on him, the coaches should have pulled him off the field to cool off and be 'coached' back to the right attitude before returning to the field, especially if as rumored the player was a known hot head....erm....tended to play with extreme intensity and emotion.

So from my perspective the coaches bear some responsibility for not taking positive action to control their player and thus the team punishment seems fitting as will any disciplinary action against the coaches for failure to maintain appropriate level of discipline.

Regardless, disappointing to see, especially in Texas football and by an individual who by accounts sounds like an outstanding athlete his behavior notwithstanding.

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Yes, the coach has responsibility over the player's behavior, and I like that they removed the team.

When I was coaching, I had a kid that was a stud LB/FB as a 9th grader. He was a great player with awesome killer instinct, but close to the end of the season I had to kick him off the team due to repeated discipline problems at school. I don't remember for sure, but I think the final straw was him going off on a teacher. I told him his season was over, but I wanted him to come to offseason workouts, keep his nose clean and get through spring football with no issues, and we'd love to have him back as a 10th grader.

He does fine through the rest of the year, so he comes back the next season. A couple of hot-headed incidents in practice, but nothing you terrible that you wouldn't see occasionally in any practice.

First game of the season, I run him on a FB dive to convert a third-and-short. The Mike stuck him right at the line, and three other guys piled on to take him down. He came up swinging. As soon as we saw that, one of my assistants and I ran out to get him. At that moment, my plan was to sit him the rest of the game.

When he swung at us out there, he was done forever. I wish it had been a home game so I could have gotten his gear from him right there.

If coaches tolerate patterns of sh/theadedness, they're gonna end up with sh/theads.

To lighten the moment among his defensive, punter and kicker responsibilities he was the water boy. The referee whispered to him " and your water sucks" as he was being ejected. That's what set him off.

pagerman @ work said:

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InfantryAg said:

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queso1 said:

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At some point we are going to have to figure out WHY people act like this rather than just punishing them after. Why do some people make instinctual bad actions that ruin their lives while others don't? I sincerely believe that as science improves, we will look back on the treatment of some criminals the same way we look at burning people at the stake for being possessed by demons.

There's got to be something chemically or structurally wrong with someone in order for them to have zero self control. It's not a "gangsta" attitude...it's a lack of control and being able to process cause and effect.

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Not so much, based on my experience.

I can place the majority of people I've arrested into a few categories:
- evil people (a small percentage)
- neutral people who make bad decisions (the vast majority)
- good people who make a mistake (a very small percentage)
- people with mental health or substance abuse issues (these cross over all the other categories)

People making bad decisions is often based on their community and their socioeconomic status.

People don't obey the law because they are worried about being caught, they obey the law because of community norms.

The other issue is crime is a completely viable career option. There really isn't much risk overall. And once you have an adult record, it closes lots of other options.

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Would you say it is based on socioeconomic status (which I tamed to mean causal) or correlated to socioeconomic status?

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IMO probably more correlated, but both. Would actually be a good use of an anthropologist, but the answers would not be popular. I'm sure they would be called racist, even when the meth infested white areas are in the study.