Maury Ballstein said:

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The deciding judge and Georgia government disagree. It was a minor display issue - fixed with a software update. They were proven right on election day.

It had nothing to do with tabulators vote shaving - alleged by Powell - confirmed by the hand count.

If there's a controversy over BMDs it exists everywhere. Texas use ES&S BMDs too - I cast my ballot on in Dallas County and verified the paper selections before putting it in the tabulator on my way out.

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And once you put it in the tabulator, did it print out a paper copy of how it was tabulated for your record? I didn't think so. Here's a hint, it's not how you cast your vote or the paper printout you received to put in the tabulator that's in question. Something, something... an ass of you and me.

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Maury Ballstein said:

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Claims they cheated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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There is tons of evidence.

You may not like the evidence, but to say "without evidence" is a total untruth.

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A ton of "evidence" that doesn't hold up in court.

Sketchy unsigned affidavits, affidavits from election workers that skipped training and didn't understand normal things happening, affidavits submitted on websites, affidavits from GOP activists, debunked "statistical" analysis, debunked rumors of GOP poll watchers "kicked out".

I believe this is.

Maury Ballstein said:

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The deciding judge and Georgia government disagree. It was a minor display issue - fixed with a software update. They were proven right on election day.

It had nothing to do with tabulators vote shaving - alleged by Powell - confirmed by the hand count.

If there's a controversy over BMDs it exists everywhere. Texas use ES&S BMDs too - I cast my ballot on in Dallas County and verified the paper selections before putting it in the tabulator on my way out.

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You didn't even read your own article and certainly didn't read all of the links in it.

From September 2020: LINK

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U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg, who scolded state officials for failing to address serious problems with the old system, said the purchase of a new system was a step in the right direction. Now she must decide whether the new system places an unconstitutional burden on the right to vote.

The election integrity activists say the new voting machines are unaccountable and unverifiable and have many of the same security vulnerabilities as the old ones, despite Totenberg's warnings that the state must have a secure and reliable voting system.

State officials argue the new machines have been thoroughly tested and that security measures will prevent problems. They say the activists are seeking changes through the courts after failing to get the outcome they wanted in the legislative process. They also argue the U.S. Supreme Court has cautioned lower courts against ordering changes close to an election.

The activists have sought help from the courts for years. They argued in 2018 that the touchscreen voting machines Georgia had been using since 2002 were vulnerable to hacking and provided no way to confirm that votes were recorded correctly because they lacked a paper trail. They asked Totenberg to order a switch to hand-marked paper ballots for the midterm elections.

Lawyers for the state argued that switch would be difficult, costly and would cause chaos.
In an order on Sept. 18, 2018, Totenberg said the activists had demonstrated "the threat of real harms to their constitutional interests," but she said forcing a change to hand-marked paper ballots less than two months before an election was too risky.

Totenberg's ruling had harsh words for the state, saying election officials had "buried their heads in the sand," failing to address serious problems with the voting system that had long been evident. She warned that "further delay is not tolerable."

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In the next legislative session, lawmakers authorized the purchase of a new election system to include ballot-marking machines that print a paper ballot. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in July 2019 announced the purchase from Dominion Voting Systems and vowed to have it ready for voters to use by March 2020.

With the state still planning to use the old system for some special and municipal elections in the interim, the voting integrity advocates asked Totenberg to order the state to immediately stop using the old system and to use hand-marked paper ballots instead.

On Aug. 15, 2019, Totenberg, once again, declined to order a switch to hand-marked paper ballots, citing worries about election officials' capacity to manage an interim switch while also implementing the new system on a tight timeline. But she prohibited the state from using the old system past the end of 2019 and ordered election officials to use hand-marked paper ballots if the new system wasn't ready in time for the presidential primary. ( aggiehawg addition here: In those September 2019 elections, two suitcases containing the polipad for voter sign ins were stolen containing the entire state of Georgia database, everything, personal information.)

She also again offered scathing criticism, devoting a considerable portion of her 153-page order detailing the state's shortcomings in addressing concerns about its voting system. The state, she wrote, has "minimized, erased, or dodged the issues underlying this case."

In mid-January, with the March primary date fast approaching and many counties still awaiting delivery of the new voting machines, the activists urged Totenberg to order a more concrete backup plan. Lawyers for the state assured the judge they were on track to meet their deadlines.

Totenberg told both sides during a conference call that she didn't consider herself a "guarantor" for Georgia's election system roll-out.

"It may end up being a mess," she said during the call. "But that's on their heads at that point."
The primary elections were moved to June because of the coronavirus pandemic, with a runoff in August. The June election was marred by problems, including long lines and polling places that opened late in 20 counties.

Lawyers for one set of plaintiffs said the new system has proven to be "spectacularly chaotic and unreliable." Lawyers for the other set of plaintiffs, including the Coalition for Good Governance, argue that allowing the November election to proceed on the new system would result in "a colossal train wreck for democracy, which will leave counties and the State utterly unable to defend their election results against charges of fraud and error."

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Now to October 2020: LINK

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During preelection testing, county election officials discovered a problem with the display for a high-profile, 21-candidate U.S. Senate race. Under certain circumstances, not all of the candidates' names fit on a single screen.

Lawyers for the state told the judge during an emergency teleconference Sept. 28 that it was a "very minor issue" that could be addressed with a software change.

Lawyers for the activists raised concerns about the severity of the problem and the security of a last-minute fix.

Dominion submitted the fix to a third-party laboratory, Pro V&V, for evaluation. A report from Pro V&V says the problem is not found in the new version of the software and the change was minor.

The election integrity activists submitted declarations from two computer science experts who reviewed the Pro V&V report. They said the evaluation was insufficient to verify the cause of the problem and the effectiveness of the solution.

The experts also said the report indicates multiple changes to the source code, meaning there's a greater likelihood of unintended side effects and opening the door for hackers.


The safeguards and testing outlined by the state to mitigate those risks are inadequate, the experts said.

The process of updating the software requires completely replacing the core of the Dominion software on every voting machine, one of the experts, University of Michigan computer science professor J. Alex Halderman, testified last week according to a transcript of the closed-door hearing unsealed Monday.

"(T)his is not a typical procedure to be going through," he said. "In an emergency, perhaps you would need to. But even then, it would be an extremely risky thing to be doing both from a correctness standpoint and from a security standpoint."

Totenberg had asked the state to provide her with the Pro V&V report and any documents about the change submitted to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, which sets voluntary guidelines for election management and certification.

The EAC was reviewing the request from Dominion after receiving it Tuesday, according to Ben Hovland, commission chairman. Dominion had previously submitted the change to a lab certified by the commission, which should help expedite the review, he said.

But the update was distributed to county election officials last week with instructions to install it on their machines.

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More LINK

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Totenberg criticized state election officials for problems with voting equipment during this year's primary elections but acknowledged that the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly emphasized that courts must exercise restraint in changing procedures near an election.


The lawsuit exposed security vulnerabilities with votes embedded in QR-codes, ballot scanning machines and the validity of audits, Totenberg wrote. But she didn't issue her ruling in the long-running lawsuit until voting procedures for this year's election had already been set.

"These risks are neither hypothetical nor remote under the current circumstances," she wrote.

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Totenberg did grant some relief, however, to help ensure that partially marked ballot ovals could be counted by scanning machines.

She directed election officials to find a way to review ballot images to ensure that voting scanner software isn't overlooking votes. Totenberg ordered a resolution to be developed and put in place for elections after expected January runoffs for the U.S. Senate.

The plaintiffs, including several Georgia voters and an election security group, have argued in the 3-year-old case that voters can't be confident their votes are accurately counted. The lawsuit attempted to make the case that electronic voting is inherently vulnerable to hacking, tampering or programming errors.

"There is no doubt that the system is unsafe, and all the evidence points to it. But the court feels that the state cannot manage a quick change to hand-marked ballots," Marilyn Marks of the Coalition for Good Governance, a plaintiff in the lawsuit, wrote on Twitter.

Their case was bolstered by the recent revelation that a software problem caused a column of U.S. Senate candidates to disappear in rare situations after voters increased the type size on voting computers.

State election officials say they've fixed the problem by installing upgraded software on the state's 34,000 touchscreens. The U.S. Election Assistance Commission approved the change Friday.

Attorneys for the state say there's no evidence that Georgia's voting computers, old and new, were ever compromised. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has said voting is safe and the real threat is activist lawsuits that undermine public confidence in elections.

Totenberg cited the movie "Groundhog Day" in her ruling, the fourth time she has rejected attempts to replace touchscreens with hand-marked paper ballots. As in the movie, she warned that the same questions about security of voting machines could arise again.

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The 147 page opinion is HERE

HarryJ33tamu said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Well I guess we figured out what they've been up to. Its good to hear both sides though I'm sure this won't change many peoples minds, whatever it is

https://www.dominionvoting.com/dominion-statement-on-sidney-powell-charges/

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• Dominion was not "founded by oligarchs and dictators." It was founded in Toronto, Canada, and it is now a proud nonpartisan American company. Dominion has attested to its ownership under penalty of perjury to local, state, and federal agencies, including the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which includes all U.S. national security agencies.

• Dominion is not, and never has been, owned by Smartmatic. Neither has Smartmatic ever been a subsidiary of Dominion, as the complaint asserts. Dominion is an entirely separate company - they do not collaborate in any way and have no affiliate relationships or financial ties. Dominion does not use Smartmatic. These are all facts verifiable in the public record as well as in regulatory and legal filings.

• Dominion has no ties to the Venezuelan government, nor any other foreign government, including China and Iran. Dominion has never participated in any elections in Venezuela and has no connection or relationship with the now deceased former Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez. Other companies have serviced elections in Venezuela, but Dominion is not one of them.

• Dominion does not have operations in Germany including an "Office of the General Counsel."

• Dominion Voting Systems are in fact auditable and are audited and tested regularly by multiple government agencies and independent third parties. All electronic devices used in the U.S. must be designed to be audited.

• Dominion's system does in fact include a paper ballot backup to verify results. In fact, thousands of elections officials in Georgia just completed the largest vote recount in American history using the paper ballots produced by Dominion devices.

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Dominion and Smartmatic have never collaborated in any way? That is odd because in this article, Sean Dean, production manager of Dominion voting systems says the Dominion-Smartmatic partnership is strong.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/05/07/10/source-code-firm-dominion-sheds-light-voting-glitch



All of these companies were very intertwined. Mergers, fake sales, etc. I know you won't read this article, but I highly suggest everyone does. This stinks to high heaven.


https://jennycohn1.medium.com/updated-attachment-states-have-bought-voting-machines-from-vendors-controlled-and-funded-by-nation-6597e4dd3e70

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Of course they had partnered. I don't know how they thought they would get away with a brazen lie. I suppose being around the Democrats, who routinely just talk out their rear end and ignore anyone calling them out.

The other disingenious assertion is their statement that "it does provide an auditable result". What it conveniently forget is that a corrupted result can be created for auditing. Example being discovery showed over 400k ballots counted and added to Dominion in a period of time that was physcially impossible. The other would be their statement that paper backup exists showing the accuracy of the total. Ummm, just because you create a paper trail of a fraudulently added group of ballots proves nothing of the systems integrity. Quite the opposite since it can be abused.

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HarryJ33tamu said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Well I guess we figured out what they've been up to. Its good to hear both sides though I'm sure this won't change many peoples minds, whatever it is

https://www.dominionvoting.com/dominion-statement-on-sidney-powell-charges/

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• Dominion was not "founded by oligarchs and dictators." It was founded in Toronto, Canada, and it is now a proud nonpartisan American company. Dominion has attested to its ownership under penalty of perjury to local, state, and federal agencies, including the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which includes all U.S. national security agencies.

• Dominion is not, and never has been, owned by Smartmatic. Neither has Smartmatic ever been a subsidiary of Dominion, as the complaint asserts. Dominion is an entirely separate company - they do not collaborate in any way and have no affiliate relationships or financial ties. Dominion does not use Smartmatic. These are all facts verifiable in the public record as well as in regulatory and legal filings.

• Dominion has no ties to the Venezuelan government, nor any other foreign government, including China and Iran. Dominion has never participated in any elections in Venezuela and has no connection or relationship with the now deceased former Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez. Other companies have serviced elections in Venezuela, but Dominion is not one of them.

• Dominion does not have operations in Germany including an "Office of the General Counsel."

• Dominion Voting Systems are in fact auditable and are audited and tested regularly by multiple government agencies and independent third parties. All electronic devices used in the U.S. must be designed to be audited.

• Dominion's system does in fact include a paper ballot backup to verify results. In fact, thousands of elections officials in Georgia just completed the largest vote recount in American history using the paper ballots produced by Dominion devices.

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Dominion and Smartmatic have never collaborated in any way? That is odd because in this article, Sean Dean, production manager of Dominion voting systems says the Dominion-Smartmatic partnership is strong.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/05/07/10/source-code-firm-dominion-sheds-light-voting-glitch



All of these companies were very intertwined. Mergers, fake sales, etc. I know you won't read this article, but I highly suggest everyone does. This stinks to high heaven.


https://jennycohn1.medium.com/updated-attachment-states-have-bought-voting-machines-from-vendors-controlled-and-funded-by-nation-6597e4dd3e70

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Of course they had partnered. I don't know how they thought they would get away with a brazen lie. I suppose being around the Democrats, who routinely just talk out their rear end and ignore anyone calling them out.

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https://www.dominionvoting.com/

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• Dominion does not use Smartmatic software.
• The only associations the companies have ever had were:
  - In 2009, Smartmatic licensed Dominion machines for use in the Philippines. The contract ended in a lawsuit.

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Sure Dominion clean as a whilste. Please....
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/the_smartest_man_in_the_room_has_joined_sidney_powells_team.html

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The 'smartest man in the room' has joined Sidney Powell's team
By Andrea Widburg
In her Georgia complaint, Sidney Powell included the declaration of Navid Keshavarz-Nia, an expert witness who stated under oath that there was massive computer fraud in the 2020 election, all of it intended to secure a victory for Joe Biden. Dr. Kershavarz-Nia's name may not mean a lot to you, but it's one of the weightiest names in the world when it comes to sniffing out cyber-security problems.
We know how important Dr. Kershavarz-Nia is because, just two and a half months ago, the New York Times ran one of its Sunday long-form articles about a massive, multi-million-dollar fraud that a talented grifter ran against the American intelligence and military communities. Dr. Kershavarz-Nia is one of the few people who comes off looking good:

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Navid Keshavarz-Nia, those who worked with him said, "was always the smartest person in the room." In doing cybersecurity and technical counterintelligence work for the C.I.A., N.S.A. and F.B.I., he had spent decades connecting top-secret dots. After several months of working with Mr. Courtney, he began connecting those dots too. He did not like where they led.

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Not only does Dr. Kershavarz-Nia have an innate intelligence, but he's also got extraordinary academic and practical skills in cyber-fraud detection and analysis. The reason we know about his qualifications is that it takes seven paragraphs for him to list them in the declaration he signed to support the Georgia complaint.
His qualifications include a B.A., M.A., and Ph.D. in various areas of electrical and computer engineering. In addition, "I have advanced trained from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA), DHS office of Intelligence & Analysis (I&A) and Massachusetts Institution of Technology (MIT)."

Professionally, Dr. Kershavarz-Nia has spent his career as a cyber-security engineer. "My experience," he attests," spans 35 years performing technical assessment, mathematical modeling, cyber-attack pattern analysis, and security intelligence[.]" I will not belabor the point. Take it as given that Dr. Kershavarz-Nia may know more about cyber-security than anyone else in America.
So what does the brilliant Dr. Kershavarz-Nia have to say? This:
1. Hammer and Scorecard is real, not a hoax (as Democrats allege), and both are used to manipulate election outcomes.
2. Dominion, ES&S, Scytl, and Smartmatic are all vulnerable to fraud and vote manipulation and the mainstream media reported on these vulnerabilities in the past.
3. Dominion has been used in other countries to "forge election results."
4. Dominion's corporate structure is deliberately confusing to hide relationships with Venezuela, China, and Cuba.
5. Dominion machines are easily hackable.
6. Dominion memory cards with cryptographic key access to the systems were stolen in 2019.
Although he had no access to the machines, Dr. Kershavarz has looked at available data about the election and the vote results. Based on that information, he concluded
1. The counts in the disputed states (Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia) show electronic manipulation.
2. The simultaneous decision in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia to pretend to halt counting votes was unprecedented and demonstrated a coordinated effort to collude toward desired results.
3. One to two percent of votes were forged in Biden's favor.
4. Optical scanners were set to accept unverified, un-validated ballots.
5. The scanners failed to keep records for audits, an outcome that must have been deliberately programmed.
6. The stolen cryptographic key, which applied to all voting systems, was used to alter vote counts.
7. The favorable votes pouring in after hours for Biden could not be accounted for by a Democrat preference for mailed in ballots. They demonstrated manipulation. For example, in Pennsylvania, it was physically impossible to feed 400,000 ballots into the machines within 23 hours.
8. Dominion used Chinese parts, and there's reason to believe that China, Venezuela, Cuba interfered in the election.
9. There was a Hammer and Scorecard cyber-attack that altered votes in the battleground states, and then forwarded the results to Scytl servers in Frankfurt, Germany, to avoid detection.
10. The systems failed to produce any auditable results.
Based on the above findings, Dr. Keshavarz-Nia concluded with "high confidence that the election 2020 data were altered in all battleground states resulting in a [sic] hundreds of thousands of votes that were cast for President Trump to be transferred [sic] to Vice President Biden."

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Philip J Fry said:

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Hand over your source code then.

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EOT

Where the F* is it.

Charpie said:

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Philip J Fry said:

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Hand over your source code then.

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That's not how it works.

You can audit them without handing over source code. You can look at logs and the like. But it would be company ending suicide to hand over their code

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Wrong.

This is simple stuff. all the security should be on the front and back ends off the application.

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Charpie said:

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Philip J Fry said:

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Hand over your source code then.

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That's not how it works.

You can audit them without handing over source code. You can look at logs and the like. But it would be company ending suicide to hand over their code

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Wrong.

This is simple stuff. all the security should be on the front and back ends off the application.

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With your expertise, I request that you read the October 2020 opinion of Judge Totenberg at least the first fifty or so pages. She oversaw a three year case involving replacement of Georgia's aging system. When Dominion was chosen by Raffensperger Plaintiffs filed suit to try to enjoin its implementation and deployment. Plaintiffs had many heavy hitters in cybersecurity, in particular voting machines. Their testimony was in depth and compelling to me but I'm not geek.

But I was surprised by the paucity of expert testimony offered by Dominion on behalf of Sec of State Raffensperger. Just two guys, one was Eric Coomer from Dominion and the other was just and executive from a separate so-called "testing" company.

I would appreciate your insights.

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