A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

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8:41a, 11/27/20
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Read the article for yourselves. It's very informative. It seems that Covid hasn't increased the US death total in 2020. Also, most Covid deaths are simply reclassifications of deaths from other causes, mainly heart disease.


A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19


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From mid-March to mid-September, U.S. total deaths have reached 1.7 million, of which 200,000, or 12% of total deaths, are COVID-19-related. Instead of looking directly at COVID-19 deaths, Briand focused on total deaths per age group and per cause of death in the U.S. and used this information to shed light on the effects of COVID-19.

She explained that the significance of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths can be fully understood only through comparison to the number of total deaths in the United States.



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This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.
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8:45a, 11/27/20
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This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception?
Because the MSM had an agenda.

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During an interview with The News-Letter after the event, Poorna Dharmasena, a master's candidate in Applied Economics, expressed his opinion about Briand's concluding remarks.
Why is this guy's opinion relevant?
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8:48a, 11/27/20
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Careful here. The hundreds of dollars or rebates the car insurance industry headed out due to less driving makes it likely the lockdowns reduced death from any number of other causes. We know that covid doesn't kill on its own except for the elderly. We also know it exacerbates other conditions. If we'd done nothing the total death count would have been higher. So much higher that this insanity was worth it? I'd say no but that's the direction the debate should go. To argue it didn't impact total deaths is incomplete at best.
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In reply to spider96 • 8:49a, 11/27/20
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spider96 said:
Read the article for yourselves. It's very informative. It seems that Covid hasn't increased the US death total in 2020. Also, most Covid deaths are simply reclassifications of deaths from other causes, mainly heart disease.


A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19


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From mid-March to mid-September, U.S. total deaths have reached 1.7 million, of which 200,000, or 12% of total deaths, are COVID-19-related. Instead of looking directly at COVID-19 deaths, Briand focused on total deaths per age group and per cause of death in the U.S. and used this information to shed light on the effects of COVID-19.

She explained that the significance of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths can be fully understood only through comparison to the number of total deaths in the United States.



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This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.


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8:51a, 11/27/20
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Once government forced hospitals to stop taking paying patients for what, 8 weeks?, and then attached government money to Covid related patients. The complete distortion of the marketplace was cemented. Dying "with" covid and dying "of" covid didn't matter to the media, Democrats, or financially strapped hospitals.

If these numbers are right. This will be the biggest biggest sham in American history. If election fraud is proven. 2020 will go down as the year the two biggest shams in American history occured and they are certainly closely related to each other to cause one outcome. The end of the Trump presidency.
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8:52a, 11/27/20
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If Hillary was President COVID would have been treated like Swine Flu

You cannot convince me otherwise
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8:52a, 11/27/20
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Is this something appropriate for the Corona forum or would it be locked?

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8:53a, 11/27/20
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It will be interesting to see if the reclassifying occurs after Jan 21.
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8:53a, 11/27/20
Link not working on mobile?
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In reply to Maroon Dawn • 8:54a, 11/27/20
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Maroon Dawn said:
If I Hillary was President COVID would have been treated like Swine Flu

You cannot convince me otherwise
This, so much this. We have no clue how many died of vs with swine flu because no one was tested and the media's chosen one was President.
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8:54a, 11/27/20
Link goes nowhere.
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In reply to Illuminaggie • 8:55a, 11/27/20
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Illuminaggie said:
Link goes nowhere.
Use Chrome. Link dies in some browsers
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9:01a, 11/27/20
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The socialists next move is to fudge all data which works against their motives. If inserting millions of votes for dementia Joe was easy, this'll be cake. Wait for it....
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9:03a, 11/27/20
Link is still dead.
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9:08a, 11/27/20
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SIAP, but iirc, aren't co-morbidities defined as being a condition where doctors have given that person less than one year to live?

So, if you were diagnosed with terminal heart disease back in November 2019, caught the Covid and died in October 2020...it's ALL due to Covid, correct?
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9:19a, 11/27/20
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Careful here. The hundreds of dollars or rebates the car insurance industry headed out due to less driving makes it likely the lockdowns reduced death from any number of other causes. We know that covid doesn't kill on its own except for the elderly. We also know it exacerbates other conditions. If we'd done nothing the total death count would have been higher. So much higher that this insanity was worth it? I'd say no but that's the direction the debate should go. To argue it didn't impact total deaths is incomplete at best.
What it means is that if we hadn't done what we did, there would have been more people with under-lying causes to die an "early" death (not much in the olds of which I am one, life sucks and then you die). But there still would not have been an increase in total deaths.
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In reply to Cartographer • 9:24a, 11/27/20
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Link not working on mobile?
The article has been archived to the wayback machine. I just checked from my iPad and it loaded for me.
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In reply to Cartographer • 9:26a, 11/27/20
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panduh bear said:
Link is still dead.
Try this one. You'll have to click a link in the article to follow through To the study.

Beyond the black

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9:26a, 11/27/20
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9:28a, 11/27/20
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And yet the Mainstream Media is continuing to peddle stuff like this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-nearly-60000-americans-could-die-of-covid-19-in-the-next-three-weeks-there-are-ways-to-turn-things-around-experts-say/ar-BB1bp76O?li=BBnb7Kz

Its gotten to where until see a ot of reporters and top Democrats falling to it, not going to believe it isn't some overh-hyped globalist power play.
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Leftist Democrats "have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused."
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In reply to Maroon Dawn • 9:54a, 11/27/20
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Maroon Dawn said:
If I Hillary was President COVID would have been treated like Swine Flu

You cannot convince me otherwise

Agree 100%
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In reply to peacedude • 10:04a, 11/27/20
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My u swear and is they would categorize it as a contributing factor and that would qualify it as CoVID caused in official counts.

Very few die from the effects of the disease alone, with no complicating factors or comorbidities. You pretty much have to be already unhealthy to be at any significantly increased risk.
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In reply to agracer • 11:39a, 11/27/20
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Illuminaggie said:
Link goes nowhere.
Use Chrome. Link dies in some browsers
Quick, get a rushed vaccine out to fix that! We can't have elderly browsers dying!
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1:01p, 11/27/20
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I posted this earlier, but the annual odds of death for the elderly, covid negative population, are the same as the odds of death of the covid positive population. This indicated a to mean covid statistically cannot be isolated as a cause of death. Elderly people are dying at the same rate without covid.
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1:31p, 11/27/20
Interesting claim:
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In other words, the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the U.S. is considered problematic only when it increases the total number of deaths or the true death burden by a significant amount in addition to the expected deaths by other causes. Since the crude number of total deaths by all causes before and after COVID-19 has stayed the same, one can hardly say, in Briand's view, that COVID-19 deaths are concerning.
Let's test it:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Here is the original link with a disclaimer:

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

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After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand's presentation "COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data" has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently.

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, "All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers." THIS CLAIM IS INCORRECT and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years.

Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.
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1:33p, 11/27/20
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Johns Hopkins took this article down yesterday after it had been up for a week. Seemingly it just started gaining traction (nothing to see here).

Here is an archived link I saved posted by someone I follow.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
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1:33p, 11/27/20
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Pathetically weak.
According to the Biden White House, what Joe Biden says does not represent the official position of the Biden administration.
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In reply to ClickClackAg31 • 1:36p, 11/27/20
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Johns Hopkins took this article down yesterday after it had been up for a week.
They took it down because it had false claims that could be easily checked. The pdf link to the original article is still live on their website.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
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In reply to titan • 2:54p, 11/27/20
titan said:

And yet the Mainstream Media is continuing to peddle stuff like this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-nearly-60000-americans-could-die-of-covid-19-in-the-next-three-weeks-there-are-ways-to-turn-things-around-experts-say/ar-BB1bp76O?li=BBnb7Kz

Its gotten to where until see a ot of reporters and top Democrats falling to it, not going to believe it isn't some overh-hyped globalist power play.


On average, there about 21M Americans that die every month.

Based on what we've seen in the election, it's child's play for the powers that be to find 60k Covid deaths within that 21m number!
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In reply to Maroon Dawn • 3:05p, 11/27/20
Maroon Dawn said:
If Hillary was President COVID would have been treated like Swine Flu

You cannot convince me otherwise


If Hillary had been president China would not have released COVID. It would have stayed bottled up in their lab. There is evidence it was in Spain as early as September of last year.

*******s need to be taken to task for bioterrorism. But the MSM hasn't said word one.

Why do all of these diseases come straight from China?

Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is a pattern.
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5:06p, 11/27/20
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UPDATE: It appears the newsletter analysis that I linked to below was too hopeful for the authorities at Johns Hopkins, even though it was based on actual data. Mere minutes after I posted this they took it down, censoring this conclusion. Though I quoted a lot below, the article was much longer, included detailed graphs, and was thoughtful and thorough
Theft is some very good discussion going on in the comments

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
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