BigRobSA said:Viper16 said:eric76 said:I want someone who has either solid classical liberal or solid conservative principles and who acts according to those principles.Viper16 said:Just curious........eric76 said:Biden never would have had a chance of getting my vote, Libertarians or not. I would have found someone else or just skipped the Presidential election on the ballot entirely.Gigem314 said:Probably because she figured you'd never vote Trump but is glad Biden gets one less vote.eric76 said:I told my sister that I was cancelling out her vote for Trump by voting for Jorgensen.Gigem314 said:
Jorgensen voters were never going to vote for Trump anyway. So anything that takes away from Biden is a positive.
She didn't seem to mind.
I have family that did the same. They didn't vote for Trump in 2016 either.
But I've gone from 3rd party to Trump. And hear from more that have done the same than sticking with 3rd party.
What are you looking for in a candidate?
What is your position on border security, the economy, the current type of energy production, income tax structure to include state and local taxes, job production, foreign policy, 1st amendment protection, 2nd amendment protection, sedition committed by the highest levels of the FBI, CIA and the former Executive branch, basic rule of law........just for starters.
I truly would like to know why individuals vote Libertarian.
JMHO....no Diss intended
Biden's principles appear to be rather minimal and are neither classical liberal nor conservative principles. Although Biden seems to be closer to the center in many ways, I don't believe that he is strong enough to hold his position against those much further to the left.
Trump not only has no principles, but he seems to take intentional ignorance of principles as a virtue.
By the way, the current issue of National Review has this at https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2020/11/02/trump-no/Quote:
All presidents have lapses in judgment, honesty, and self-control; many of them have even been wanting, at least sometimes, in decency and public-spiritedness. Trump is alarmingly deficient in all of these qualities at once, and their lack has marked every day of his presidency.
You don't have to believe any anonymous sources in the news to see it. You need only watch the president and listen to him. On any given day, he will be calling a former member of his administration a "moron," or taking shots at one of its current members. Or live-tweeting his feelings about the cable-news shows he is watching. Or casually endorsing some nutty and slanderous theory, as when he suggested that top military leaders "want to do nothing but fight wars" to profit defense companies. Or confusing allies and opponents alike with some half-baked idea.
Also, in the summary of the article as to voting for a third party candidate:Quote:
The voter who decides that neither Biden nor Trump deserves his support will be accused of irresponsibility, of escapism, of indulging a sense of moral purity, of wasting a vote. There is, on this view, an obligation to pick among the top two candidates. It is worth resisting this supposed imperative. If a vote that does not determine the outcome of an election is wasted, then every vote is wasted and wasted all the more if it is cast for someone the voter does not want to be president. The Biden supporters and the Trump supporters who tell you "it's a binary choice" want you to vote as though the election result were wholly in your hands. And if that scenario were not contrived enough, they implicitly add that at the same time you don't have the power to elevate a write-in candidate. You must imagine both that your power is counterfactually absolute and that you cannot choose options that are plainly before you (writing someone in, voting third party, etc.).
... The truth is that neither of these candidates is worthy of the public's trust. So don't vote for either one of them, and don't let anyone tell you that you have to.
"I want someone who has either solid classical liberal or solid conservative principles."
Interesting comment......Those 2 principles are generally in complete opposition to each other. So, if you have 2 candidates that meet your criteria in a general election, you vote for ....??????
"What is your position on border security, the economy, the current type of energy production, income tax structure to include state and local taxes, job production, foreign policy, 1st amendment protection, 2nd amendment protection, sedition committed by the highest levels of the FBI, CIA and the former Executive branch, basic rule of law........just for starters."
Still curious about these positions and how they fit into your criteria of a Presidential Candidate as mentioned above.
Again, just asking.......I really don't care if you vote or sit out. Your choice for sure.
No disrespect intended.
"Classical liberal" is not in opposition to conservatism. They're ideological siblings.
I agree they are ideological siblings. Classically, they are not in total opposition to each other.
Classical Liberalism and Classical Conservatism exists in the minds of philosophers.
I should have said modern liberalism and modern conservatism as practiced by the two major parties today are in opposition to each other.
If Eric is looking for a candidate that meets those classic solid liberal principles or solid conservative principles, he will be looking a long time. I don't know any candidate in the last 5 Presidential Elections that has met those criteria, much less the basic criteria set forth by both democrat and republican voters and their party platforms.
So, I was attempting to understand what specific criteria he looks for in a modern Presidential Candidate knowing, as we all do, that those candidates usually don't meet our individual checklist of desires and needs.
If the 3rd party candidate meets his desired principles, then great.
I just don't think the Libertarian Party will ever present an attractive platform or have a chance in the General election.
We are ruled by a two party system whether we like it or not and voting for someone in the current major two party system is our only way of getting our voice heard.
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