Diversity is and has never been the strength of this country

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William K. Klingaman
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America became known as "the great melting pot" (are kids even taught that?). To melt is to not keep all the different ingredients separate but to melt them into something so strong that is centered around one thing. The United States of America.

Liberals continually repeat the lie that staying diverse makes this nation great. Hogwash.

Oh, and diversity isn't about skin color, if you always think of that when you hear the word, you might be the racist.
Ag$08
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Democrats declared the melting pot racist in the 60s. They've been teaching the "salad" bowl ever since.
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Ag$08 said:

Democrats declared the melting pot racist in the 60s. They've been teaching the "salad" bowl ever since.
As a kid in elementary school during the 60s that's not entirely true. The USSR was "The Mixing Bowl" and the US was "The Melting Pot."
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William K. Klingaman said:

America became known as "the great melting pot" (are kids even taught that?). To melt is to not keep all the different ingredients separate but to melt them into something so strong that is centered around one thing. The United States of America.

Liberals continually repeat the lie that staying diverse makes this nation great. Hogwash.

Oh, and diversity isn't about skin color, if you always think of that when you hear the word, you might be the racist.


The term melting pot itself came from someone who wasn't even American in 1908. It didn't exist prior to that as a concept at all and our immigration laws showed it until 1965. We integrated foreigners but they were almost all from Europe. It is only post 1965 with the Hart Celler Act that the term began to mean integrating wildly disparate cultures and people. When it was just Europeans, everyone who came here was white and Christian, which makes it rather easy to integrate even if there were a lot of denominations in comparison to someone who is Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, or Islamic and from a culture not based upon ideals founded in Greco/Roman history that then spread throughout Europe thanks to The Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.

It's like how Muslims deal with outsiders. A Sunny and a Shiite Muslim May not agree and fight but they are going to be far more similar to each other than someone who is Christian or Hindu, which is why when pressed they always join together. This should not surprise anyone.
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That's why the concept of cultural appropriation is complete bull***** We are a melting pot. That's the entire point is to take things we like from each culture to build a super culture for everyone here.
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Ag$08 said:

Democrats declared the melting pot racist in the 60s. They've been teaching the "salad" bowl ever since.
So the sedition began about then, and has increased ever since, since the prior melting pot approach welding into something new greater than the sum of the parts the OP posted was the correct approach. That ties well with that 1965 change from how it was done before.
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Lina have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused.
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Diversity IS great. But yes, there must be commonality - a desire to have something in common with your fellow man. Nationalistic pride, the Constitution, love of freedom, capitalism (live the American dream), etc.

Diversity without commonality does not a country make. The right kind of diversity is race, traditions, culture (to an extent), etc. Bad diversity is differences in political and economic fundamentals or the belief that what makes you unique makes you better than others - that just won't work.

Our problem now is that good diversity is being wiped out by the bad sort of diversity the leftists are pushing.
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aggiehawg said:

Ag$08 said:

Democrats declared the melting pot racist in the 60s. They've been teaching the "salad" bowl ever since.
As a kid in elementary school during the 60s that's not entirely true. The USSR was "The Mixing Bowl" and the US was "The Melting Pot."


Which is funny because the Soviets were far more homogeneous from an racial and religious standpoint than the US, even back then.

Regardless, both of those terms are explicitly anti-white.
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I do love that point. If diversity is our strength, how can utilizing the best of every culture be racist? How can diversity be a strength if no one is allowed to benefit from it?
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SLAM said:

William K. Klingaman said:

America became known as "the great melting pot" (are kids even taught that?). To melt is to not keep all the different ingredients separate but to melt them into something so strong that is centered around one thing. The United States of America.

Liberals continually repeat the lie that staying diverse makes this nation great. Hogwash.

Oh, and diversity isn't about skin color, if you always think of that when you hear the word, you might be the racist.


The term melting pot itself came from someone who wasn't even American in 1908. It didn't exist prior to that as a concept at all and our immigration laws showed it until 1965. We integrated foreigners but they were almost all from Europe. It is only post 1965 with the Hart Celler Act that the term began to mean integrating wildly disparate cultures and people. When it was just Europeans, everyone who came here was white and Christian, which makes it rather easy to integrate even if there were a lot of denominations in comparison to someone who is Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, or Islamic and from a culture not based upon ideals founded in Greco/Roman history that then spread throughout Europe thanks to The Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church.

It's like how Muslims deal with outsiders. A Sunny and a Shiite Muslim May not agree and fight but they are going to be far more similar to each other than someone who is Christian or Hindu, which is why when pressed they always join together. This should not surprise anyone.
Agreed on the history of terminology but I think you highly underestimate the difficulty of integration of Europeans. Many of these countries hated each other (and often at war when immigrating here), they had different languages and, as they perceived it, different religions (Protestants vs Catholics, even the different denominations often had homicidal hate for each other). Businesses that wouldn't allow Irish or Italians were commonplace.

Put another way, how the Irish or Italians were treated in 19th century America was far more discriminatory than anything that can be conjured up by BLM today.
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SLAM,

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We integrated foreigners but they were almost all from Europe. It is only post 1965 with the Hart Celler Act that the term began to mean integrating wildly disparate cultures and people.
From Europe though still didn't mean semi-monolithic. You over-estimate the lack of ethnic variety even in the period around the turn of the last century. You see this most in histories and fields when reading primary sources rather than university style history capsules. Its just amazing the varied backgrounds of a given citizen sometimes and where they came from.

The commonality you are noting was because it was -- correctly -- imposed by expectation and actual immigration standards on any coming here. You had to become `American' or be sidelined. What MAY be true, when think about the examples, is that most were in some form or another already exposed to Christianity. That `western tone overlay' far more than the ethnic, may be the common factor that worked.

But like in the history inventions or various fields, you see variety very early and very powerful in its contribution. Women are there too. Too many stone-cold idiots mistake failure for something to be written about and made prominent for not having taken place.

Just an angle on your point.

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Lina have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused.
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William K. Klingaman said:

America became known as "the great melting pot" (are kids even taught that?). To melt is to not keep all the different ingredients separate but to melt them into something so strong that is centered around one thing. The United States of America.

Liberals continually repeat the lie that staying diverse makes this nation great. Hogwash.

Oh, and diversity isn't about skin color, if you always think of that when you hear the word, you might be the racist.


Laughable post.

I should not even dignify it but the tens of millions of Africans, Italians, poor immigrants, Pacific Islanders, enslaved people, native peoples, Latinos, liberals, Germans, Jews, women, rich, churchgoers, Asians etc who have built this nation's infrastructure, business climate, sports and entertainment complex, educational institutions and reputation would laugh/cry at this post with me.
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Can you explain what is objectionable about the post?
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SLAM said:

aggiehawg said:

Ag$08 said:

Democrats declared the melting pot racist in the 60s. They've been teaching the "salad" bowl ever since.
As a kid in elementary school during the 60s that's not entirely true. The USSR was "The Mixing Bowl" and the US was "The Melting Pot."


Which is funny because the Soviets were far more homogeneous from an racial and religious standpoint than the US, even back then.

Regardless, both of those terms are explicitly anti-white.
Completely disagree. That appearance of homogeneity was forced upon them by a totalitarian system.What was meant by the mixing bowl was that the people remained indigenous to their region, spoke their own languages, had their own culture but were ruled by the Soviets. Once the USSR collapsed, those former satellite states became autonomous precisely because they had never lost their identity.
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Ag$08 said:

I do love that point. If diversity is our strength, how can utilizing the best of every culture be racist? How can diversity be a strength if no one is allowed to benefit from it?
Because such notions are old liberal platitudes.

Diversity doesn't mean anything to the current Leftist insurrection project.

It is about one and only one thing--power.

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We are not a melting pot. More of a tossed salad.
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Pinche Abogado said:

Can you explain what is objectionable about the post?


That post is a word salad of "feelz". <--- TXK's post BTW
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aggiehawg said:

SLAM said:

aggiehawg said:

Ag$08 said:

Democrats declared the melting pot racist in the 60s. They've been teaching the "salad" bowl ever since.
As a kid in elementary school during the 60s that's not entirely true. The USSR was "The Mixing Bowl" and the US was "The Melting Pot."


Which is funny because the Soviets were far more homogeneous from an racial and religious standpoint than the US, even back then.

Regardless, both of those terms are explicitly anti-white.
Completely disagree. That appearance of homogeneity was forced upon them by a totalitarian system.What was meant by the mixing bowl was that the people remained indigenous to their region, spoke their own languages, had their own culture but were ruled by the Soviets. Once the USSR collapsed, those former satellite states became autonomous precisely because they had never lost their identity.
The Tsars had the same issue --- they had attempted to impose "Russification" but had done it without the syncretism skill you see in some of the Christian blends in say New Mexico. It wasn't successful. The Soviets often tried the same, in the guise of the party -- but as you pointed out, it was not a quarter as successful as even the sometimes nebulous American Ideal was at doing so.
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Lina have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused.
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Growing up in Houston the Italian festival and the Greek festival were big celebrations of those cultures. Essentially those communities threw a big party and invited everyone.

What if a national holiday was created to celebrate your heritage, where you came from, with the idea promoted that the rest of the year we celebrate being American.
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Pinche Abogado said:

Can you explain what is objectionable about the post?
Nothing tangible. Klingamen's post is right that regardless of the terminology, "melting pot" is sort of what we did. It has gone by other names but that is what we were doing successfully to various degrees especially before the end of last century. This one has been a complete regression orchestrated from the top. The OP is also correct in the welding didn't always mean race either, but outlooks.
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Lina have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused.
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It's laughable to celebrate strength while discounting its components. Also that op is really just wordy pouting revealing a deep persecution complex.
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TXK said:

It's laughable to celebrate strength while discounting its components. Also that op is really just wordy pouting revealing a deep persecution complex.

Why is it laughable? Please explain.
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Here's what I think about diversity...

How long would a crocodile last in the Arctic?
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The Tsars had the same issue --- they had attempted to impose "Russification" but had done it without the syncretism skill you see in some of the Christian blends in say New Mexico. It wasn't successful. The Soviets often tried the same, in the guise of the party -- but as you pointed out, it was not a quarter as successful as even the sometimes nebulous American Ideal was at doing so.
Agree. Studied a lot about Russian history under the Tsars when I was young. There was always one region or another that was in some type of revolt that needed to be quelled by the Cossacks, the Tsar's shock troops.
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TXK said:

It's laughable to celebrate strength while discounting its components. Also that op is really just wordy pouting revealing a deep persecution complex.
Are you really suggesting that there is something good, decent...even redeemable, about hierarchical systems in America, if not even more generally?

Because that'd be a tsunami of irony.
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No the OP is right about this:


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America became known as "the great melting pot" (are kids even taught that?). To melt is to not keep all the different ingredients separate but to melt them into something so strong that is centered around one thing. The United States of America.


That is why something like the national history once could matter to any -- because they joined it.


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Liberals continually repeat the lie that staying diverse makes this nation great. Hogwash.
Ilhan Omar is a great example of the new bad kind -- she has remained "separate" and Islamist - even to the point of soft-pedaling 9/11 - like her homeland's views, and is anti-Americna. That's what OP is talking about.

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Lina have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused.
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Latino Americans, Jewish Americans, African Americans, Polish Americans, Italian Americans, Arab Americans, Armenian Americans all fought for and served their country in WWII. They made us stronger. Would we have been stronger without them? If we lose the war, the enemy had a very different view of "diversity".
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Vader Was Framed said:

Latino Americans, Jewish Americans, African Americans, Polish Americans, Italian Americans, Arab Americans, Armenian Americans all fought for and served their country in WWII. They made us stronger. Would we have been stronger without them? If we lose the war, the enemy had a very different view of "diversity".
Exactly. And in many cases, some of the idiosyncrasies of their background and culture as recalled, but as now welded into the American Idea made for some key innovations and moments in the battlefield. Again, you see this kind of thing in reports, and not canned classes in school and certainly not the "news". Its omnipresent. It crops up in the development of many inventions as well.
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Lina have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused.
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There is nothing diverse about a Marxist political system that breaks everyone into separate identifiable groups and publically SHAMES anyone that "appropriates" from another group or offers constructive criticism. Liberals actually hate real diversity, so they simply redefined the meaning of diversity. It's much easier to control the minions that way.
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Ilhan Omar is an ISIL/Al Queda/Taliban operative or very very dam close.
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That's the irony, though, that kind of `broken up and spurred into remaining separate' is now so classically Democrat you can't tell the difference.
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Lina have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused.
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wyoag93 said:

There is nothing diverse about a Marxist political system that breaks everyone into separate identifiable groups and publically SHAMES anyone that "appropriates" from another group or offers constructive criticism. Liberals actually hate real diversity, so they simply redefined the meaning of diversity. It's much easier to control the minions that way.
Exactly. The current Democratic Party outlook toward what `diversity' means is indeed Marxist, not melting pot or amalgam, or syncretism or any variety in between. That is why with their dominance of institutions that increased since the Millennium we have only declined in the finding common ground area.
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Lina have completely overplayed the Racism accusation. Honestly my first reaction when I hear it today is to assume bad intentions by the accuser, not the accused.
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The "celebrate diversity" crowd, that claims diversity makes us strong is just blinded by their hatred for America's greatness, which they cannot square with their belief that Western culture is evil.

Having diverse cultures isn't what makes America strong. It's the fact that diverse peoples, from different backgrounds, can live in peace and prosperity by simple agreement. All this requires is that you subscribe to democratic principles and respect the rights of other individuals. Anyone can become an American by choice, in a way that you really can't in other countries. You don't become French, Indian, Japanese, or Chinese by simply choosing to subscribe to a philosophy, the way that you become an American by doing so. Cultural diversity is a byproduct.
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twk said:

The "celebrate diversity" crowd, that claims diversity makes us strong is just blinded by their hatred for America's greatness, which they cannot square with their belief that Western culture is evil.

Having diverse cultures isn't what makes America strong. It's the fact that diverse peoples, from different backgrounds, can live in peace and prosperity by simple agreement. All this requires is that you subscribe to democratic principles and respect the rights of other individuals. Anyone can become an American by choice, in a way that you really can't in other countries. You don't become French, Indian, Japanese, or Chinese by simply choosing to subscribe to a philosophy, the way that you become an American by doing so. Cultural diversity is a byproduct.
Very well said. Blue parachute for you!
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